Oil spill.. it's sad as hell

Neshi · Jun 27, 2010, 10:30 AM

just look at this
If It Was My Home - Visualizing the BP Oil Spill

comp_ali · Jun 27, 2010, 11:18 AM

It is a disaster really , I am just confused, if the explosion was in 20 April Why did it took this long time to realize the spill. Anyway I hope this ever increasing spill get contained soon to prevent further impact on the people and environment.

Tyrsonswood · Jun 27, 2010, 11:39 AM

I'm so disgusted about this, profit over people and screw the ecology...... FULL SPEED AHEAD!!!

BP knew they were having problems with this well and still cut every corner they could just to maximize profits. Nothing directly against this one company, the other companies are no better. BP just happened to be the ones involved this time...... NONE of the major oil companies have any plans to cope with such a disaster, so they shouldn't be drilling in such areas, PERIOD!!!

It's not just "deep water drilling" either...... IF they had properly tested this particular site (and I'm sure they did) they would have known that this site was over 10% methane gas and located in a weak substructure in the earths crust before they even towed a rig to the site. Nobody should have ever drilled here, they knew it and drilled anyways with no backup or emergency plan in place.

Before somebody says it's the governments fault, as many believe, that's not true either.... "No drilling in shallow water" doesn't mean they were told to drill in a fault line one mile below the surface of the gulf. BP chose the site.... not Obama. (or Pelosi, or whomever you want to kick today)

Why? ......... Greed, arrogance, and stupidity....... (somehow those 3 always go together)

The outcome? Nobody can ever fix this, no containment will ever work, and there's no way to clean this mess up....... Yeah, "drill, baby, drill" ...... Bastards!

READ MY SIG!!!!!!

Neshi · Jun 27, 2010, 12:22 PM

ah it goes back to Easter Island.. once they had lots of trees and people that lived there used the trees to make boats and fish. They used the biggest trees for that so they could go far out into the ocean. Once all the big trees were gone they had to use smaller trees, couldn't go out as far to fish, population diminished. On and on it went, like nobody realized where it would lead.
Eventually the last tree was cut and it wasn't possible to fish anymore.

I've just read this..

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Subject: Re Gulf spill: INTERESTING COMMENT FROM AN ENGINEER

If this engineer is right, this is truly a scary scenario! Here's his story.

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"Heard you mention the oil disaster in the Gulf of Mexico this morning, and you (and most everyone else except maybe US talk show host George Noory) are totally missing the boat on how big and bad a disaster this is.

First fact, the original estimate was about 5,000 gallons of oil a day spilling into the ocean. Now they're saying 200,000 gallons a day. That's over a million gallons of crude oil a week!

I'm an engineer with 25 years of experience. I've worked on some big projects with big machines. Maybe that's why this mess is so clear to me.

First, the BP platform was drilling for what they call deep oil. They go out where the ocean is about 5,000 feet deep and drill another 30,000 feet into the crust of the earth. This it right on the edge of what human technology can do. Well, this time they hit a pocket of oil at such high pressure that it burst all of their safety valves all the way up to the drilling rig and then caused the rig to explode and sink. Take a moment to grasp the import of that. The pressure behind this oil is so high that it destroyed the maximum effort of human science to contain it.

When the rig sank it flipped over and landed on top of the drill hole some 5,000 feet under the ocean.

Now they've got a hole in the ocean floor, 5,000 feet down with a wrecked oil drilling rig sitting on top of is spewing 200,000 barrels of oil a day into the ocean. Take a moment and consider that, will you!

First they have to get the oil rig off the hole to get at it in order to try to cap it. Do you know the level of effort it will take to move that wrecked oil rig, sitting under 5,000 feet of water? That operation alone would take years and hundreds of millions to accomplish. Then, how do you cap that hole in the muddy ocean floor? There just is no way. No way.

On the longer-term side of things, there are signs that this largest oil drilling catastrophe could also become the worst natural gas and climate disaster. The explosion has released tremendous amounts of methane from deep in the ocean, and research shows that methane, when mixed with air, is the most powerful (read: terrible) greenhouse gas — 26 times worse than carbon-dioxide. Our warming planet just got a lot hotter.

The only piece of human technology that might address this is a nuclear bomb. I'm not kidding. If they put a nuke down there in the right spot it might seal up the hole. Nothing short of that will work.

If we can't cap that hole that oil is going to destroy the oceans of the world. It only takes one quart of motor oil to make 250,000 gallons of ocean water toxic to wildlife. Are you starting to get the magnitude of this?

We're so used to our politicians creating false crises to fo rward their criminal agendas that we aren't recognizing that we're staring straight into possibly the greatest disaster mankind will ever see. Imagine what happens if that oil keeps flowing until it destroys all life in the oceans of this planet. Who knows how big of a reservoir of oil is down there.

Not to mention that the oceans are critical to maintaining the proper oxygen level in the atmosphere for human life.

They won't stop until they kill themselves with it, or it is not profitable anymore. I wonder if we reached that point now..

just look at that
http://mfile.akamai.com/97892/live/r...asx?bkup=45684

Tyrsonswood · Jun 27, 2010, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by comp_ali

It is a disaster really , I am just confused, if the explosion was in 20 April Why did it took this long time to realize the spill.

They knew as soon as the rig sank..... they lied about how bad it was, at first, and tried to cover it up by spraying dispersant (never tested in ocean water, BTW, now causing it's own problems) Then they have been trying to contain it since...... We don't have the technology to contain this, and they knew that before they drilled.

So they have been trying to "close the barn door after the horse got out" since. A little late for that now..... We have to live with it. IF WE CAN....

[hobo]eclipse · Jun 27, 2010, 03:52 PM

got a cynical chuckle from this

horrible, horrible, horrible

Neshi · Jun 28, 2010, 06:58 AM

that's just sad.. exactly the same problems, technology to solve it is still the same as 30+ years back.
it's just that now it's 5000 feet under water instead of 200..

Cow_160483 · Jun 28, 2010, 11:27 AM

this disaster is on a totally global scale, I really hope that something good comes out of it (renewable energy any one ??)

Sihastru · Jun 28, 2010, 06:29 PM

Oil spills are bad.

What is worse is that it took one near the US in order to bring it to mass media and the general population attention. Oil extraction is affecting hundreds of ecosystems in the world. Some of them far richer in diversity then the Gulf of Mexico... Interestingly most of the time the culprits are US companies.

If it wasn't BP, but instead Exxon, Texaco, Gulf, Shell, NuStar or another one of 137 US Oil companies that deal daily disasters like the one in the Gulf of Mexico, but in other parts of the world, what kind of reaction would've been painted in the US press about now? We all know that for americans, the world is made up of "USA" and "not-USA", and that's about it.

And I'm not defending BP in any way, I am not british (if anyone is wondering), I just don't like this "oil spills are bad ONLY if they happen in or near enough the US" attitude.

Maybe it's karma.

Judas · Jun 29, 2010, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Neshi

ah it goes back to Easter Island.. once they had lots of trees and people that lived there used the trees to make boats and fish. They used the biggest trees for that so they could go far out into the ocean. Once all the big trees were gone they had to use smaller trees, couldn't go out as far to fish, population diminished. On and on it went, like nobody realized where it would lead.
Eventually the last tree was cut and it wasn't possible to fish anymore.

I've just read this..
They won't stop until they kill themselves with it, or it is not profitable anymore. I wonder if we reached that point now..

just look at that
http://mfile.akamai.com/97892/live/r...asx?bkup=45684

just a FYI

Everything he said up to the point of where he starts mentioning that the earth/climate/methane turns into partial bullshit and then gets a little worse...

Considering that the earth has been in a downward temperature movement since 1992-1996 (approximately 15 years). More noteably since the iceland volcano went off, the temperature has decreased a much more significant amount.

Also don't forget that the single day that the volcano has let loose, produces enough heat and gas, energy itself that dwarfs anything we've really done.

Anyone that does any research, and i personally know 2 people, one of which is a direct friend of one of the survivors has explained the situation in much greater detail then even this engineer. The level of corruption is insane, the complete disreguard for safety, life in general even was totally ignored. and they were being directly ordered to do things that majority of the works knew full well they shouldn't do. Which bags the question, why'd they do it? Well considering, it was costing BP and the drillers over half a million dollars PER DAY just to have the rig sitting there. Additionally they were being told to do things they knew would cause an explosion and potential problems. YES the well was several times more powerful, however the well, the casing everything was so purposely and poorly handled it cannot be coincidence since they were repeatedly told to ignore all failsafes. Even the regulations set in place were ignored/voided and cast aside. There was more money to be made by causing this problem then there was to actually get any oil in the first place.

The survivors of the explosion were LOCKED in their hotel rooms for 40+ hours until every single one of them signed confidentiality forms and basically signed the truth away. Some are off record and only to friends around telling a few of the very important bits of information.

Don't forget also this EXACT same company (under a different name) was responcible for the deep (but much more shallow) off shore well drilling with the EXACT same mistakes made with the EXACT same solution and with a near exact same outcome in 1979. You couldn't match them up any better, it's a carbon copy. It's completely sickening.

BP and the sub companies and related companies are making millions off the cleanup that they are doing a horrible job doing. The chemicals they are using to clean up are doing more damage even.

Crude oil in itself is deadly yes, however it is still a natural compound and it breaks down steadily and nature has shown it to right itself.

However with the introduction of these chemicals they are using to "cleanup" it is causing massive devistation, the oil is actually evaporating in many places and sinking in others. The result of which has shown already evidence of oil coming many many miles INLAND and destroying hundreds if not millions of acres of land.

btw heres some video evidence of the same issue occuring.

Neshi · Jul 1, 2010, 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Judas

Everything he said up to the point of where he starts mentioning that the earth/climate/methane turns into partial bullshit and then gets a little worse...

Don't really understand what you are trying to say here.. sorry

Quote:

Originally Posted by Judas

Considering that the earth has been in a downward temperature movement since 1992-1996 (approximately 15 years). More noteably since the iceland volcano went off, the temperature has decreased a much more significant amount.

Also don't forget that the single day that the volcano has let loose, produces enough heat and gas, energy itself that dwarfs anything we've really done.

I know.. I've seen an inconvenient truth and the Great Global Warming Swindle and I tend to believe the latter. However I believe that global warming is in fact true and happening, although we as humans with our emissions are just a really small factor in the whole thing. We can't stop it from happening, it's just a natural cycle. We do however contribute, you can't deny that.

Other than that, nice piece of info on the whole oil platform thing.. The rabbit hole goes even deeper than I thought..

I've been having this same discussion on another forum over in NZ and people were discussing the need of oil over other alternatives. Because the fact is that oil is just more powerful than any other natural product like ethanol, synth oil or caster oil.
Somebody suggested nuclear power as well..

Here's a post I made after that. quite interesting if I say so myself.

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Drilling for oil is as much a hazard for the environment as nuclear power, if not worse..

Chernobyl surroundings nowadays is a haven for wildlife with rare species that have returned there after centuries like the lynx, wild boar, wolves, bears etc. They even made the Exclusion Zone an official wildlife santcuary. The animals examined showed a tolerance for the elaveted radiation levels.
There is no way animals will develop a tolerance for oil in the water.

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As for the person asking for an alternative to oil as a source of power. What about an engine running solely on water, reacting with aluminium to create power. The only pollution would be the process of refining Bauxite into aluminium.
"A 900 kg car runs 600 km on 20 litres of water and 1 kg of aluminium."

WATER ENGINE

Most incredible thing about this is that is was invented in 1981.. so it's been known for 30 years, why haven't we heard about it but are fiddling around with electrolysis and the storage of hydrogen... this solution would put oil industries out of business and they can still make money out of oil. All one would need is to buy a car or motorbike with an engine of this, and one would be able to fill it up at home. So the only money would go to the purchase of the vehicle, not the fuel. Any idea why the inventor hasn't been seen or heard of... ?

Neshi · Jul 1, 2010, 04:00 AM

double post, I know. Just saw this video. She has some valid points.

Callandor · Jul 2, 2010, 06:08 AM

For as long as bankers on wall street control the world, we're in big big trouble.

Its the monetary system that is to blame, if we don't move to a resource based economy with a technical governing body, then its the end of the world as we know it eventually; thats if 2012 doesen't do it for us.

I sincerely hope 2012 is a conscious awakening, and some friendly aliens (even maybe unfriendly) land, because its beginning to look like only outlandish occurrences like these are probably the only things going to solve our problems thus far.

Dude111 · Jul 7, 2010, 12:24 AM

Its just totally disgusting

comp_ali · Jul 16, 2010, 03:24 PM

update :BP said it has stopped the spill

Dude111 · Jul 16, 2010, 06:47 PM

Who knows if they really have........

But it doesnt matter... THE DAMAGE HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE

It could have been stopped MONTHS AGO!!

**temeteus82** · Jul 16, 2010, 07:01 PM

If you look how much oil is spilled to the Niger Delta you would be shocked ...

Environmental issues in the Niger Delta - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Jun 27, 2010, 10:30 AM	#1
Neshi S.N.A.F.U. Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Wellington, NZ Posts: 3,386 Rep Power: 183 System Specs	Oil spill.. it's sad as hell just look at this If It Was My Home - Visualizing the BP Oil Spill __________________ If one does not attach himself to people and desire, never shall his heart be broken. But then, does he ever truly live? Life is just too damn short for if's and maybe's

Jun 27, 2010, 11:18 AM	#2
comp_ali Sniper Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Egypt Posts: 10,469 Rep Power: 339 System Specs	Re: Oil spill.. it's sad as hell It is a disaster really , I am just confused, if the explosion was in 20 April Why did it took this long time to realize the spill. Anyway I hope this ever increasing spill get contained soon to prevent further impact on the people and environment. __________________

Jun 27, 2010, 03:52 PM	#6
[hobo]eclipse ...just bummin 'round Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,907 Rep Power: 112 System Specs	Re: Oil spill.. it's sad as hell got a cynical chuckle from this horrible, horrible, horrible

Jun 28, 2010, 06:58 AM	Thread Starter #7
Neshi S.N.A.F.U. Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Wellington, NZ Posts: 3,386 Rep Power: 183 System Specs	Re: Oil spill.. it's sad as hell that's just sad.. exactly the same problems, technology to solve it is still the same as 30+ years back. it's just that now it's 5000 feet under water instead of 200.. __________________ If one does not attach himself to people and desire, never shall his heart be broken. But then, does he ever truly live? Life is just too damn short for if's and maybe's

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Cow_160483 HH's only cow moooooo... Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: BOTSWANA Posts: 6,821 Rep Power: 300 System Specs	Re: Oil spill.. it's sad as hell this disaster is on a totally global scale, I really hope that something good comes out of it (renewable energy any one ??) __________________ Decode! Muhahahahah!

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Sihastru Never been clicked Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 433 Rep Power: 46 System Specs	Re: Oil spill.. it's sad as hell Oil spills are bad. What is worse is that it took one near the US in order to bring it to mass media and the general population attention. Oil extraction is affecting hundreds of ecosystems in the world. Some of them far richer in diversity then the Gulf of Mexico... Interestingly most of the time the culprits are US companies. If it wasn't BP, but instead Exxon, Texaco, Gulf, Shell, NuStar or another one of 137 US Oil companies that deal daily disasters like the one in the Gulf of Mexico, but in other parts of the world, what kind of reaction would've been painted in the US press about now? We all know that for americans, the world is made up of "USA" and "not-USA", and that's about it. And I'm not defending BP in any way, I am not british (if anyone is wondering), I just don't like this "oil spills are bad ONLY if they happen in or near enough the US" attitude. Maybe it's karma. __________________ There are more things in heaven and earth then are dreamt of in your philosophy. Intel Core i7 3820 \| Corsair H80 \| Asus P9X79 \| Kingston HyperX T1 Black 32GB DDR3 \| Gigabyte 8800 GTS 512 \| 2xIntel X25-M 160GB RAID0 + 2xWD 1TB Green RAID1 \| Asus Xonar DX \| Asus ES2-750 \| Sony OptiArc DVD+/-RW \| Corsair AX850 Gold \| Fractal Design Define R3 Titanium \| Dell 3007WFP-HC2 30" 2560x1600 \| Corsair SP2500 \| Logitech UltraX Premium \| CM Storm Advance \| Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64bit

Jul 1, 2010, 04:00 AM	Thread Starter #12
Neshi S.N.A.F.U. Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Wellington, NZ Posts: 3,386 Rep Power: 183 System Specs	Re: Oil spill.. it's sad as hell double post, I know. Just saw this video. She has some valid points. __________________ If one does not attach himself to people and desire, never shall his heart be broken. But then, does he ever truly live? Life is just too damn short for if's and maybe's

Jul 2, 2010, 06:08 AM	#13
Callandor Forged on Dragonmount Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada Posts: 7,250 Rep Power: 304 System Specs	Re: Oil spill.. it's sad as hell For as long as bankers on wall street control the world, we're in big big trouble. Its the monetary system that is to blame, if we don't move to a resource based economy with a technical governing body, then its the end of the world as we know it eventually; thats if 2012 doesen't do it for us. I sincerely hope 2012 is a conscious awakening, and some friendly aliens (even maybe unfriendly) land, because its beginning to look like only outlandish occurrences like these are probably the only things going to solve our problems thus far. __________________

Jul 7, 2010, 12:24 AM	#14
Dude111 An Awesome Dude Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 425 Rep Power: 61	Its just totally disgusting Last edited by Dude111; Jul 25, 2010 at 04:17 AM.

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comp_ali Sniper Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Egypt Posts: 10,469 Rep Power: 339 System Specs	Re: Oil spill.. it's sad as hell update :BP said it has stopped the spill __________________

Jul 16, 2010, 06:47 PM	#16
Dude111 An Awesome Dude Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 425 Rep Power: 61	Who knows if they really have........ But it doesnt matter... THE DAMAGE HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE It could have been stopped MONTHS AGO!!