Obama's 2 Billion Dollar trip to India

Judas · Nov 9, 2010, 03:44 PM

make work projects are only that... make work projects..

now the prospect of building something IN the united states should be increased exponentially..

but i doubt that's going to happen as all that is going to most likely happen is parts be manufacturered elsewhere and united states will have been turned into what it has been for years.... just an assembly place.. and it's worse.. it's mostly just office work with the least amount of infrastructure and manufacturering...

doesn't matter how many offices you open or close... the real work has already been gutted and until manufacturing is brought back right from nuts and bolts.... all these make work projects are what's going to kill it.

Government jobs are NOT JOBS.... employing someone using credit and loans would NEVER fly in any occupation for any length of time.... why any government would allow this is utterly rediculious

Zelig · Nov 9, 2010, 09:26 PM

Wow, I'm surprised nobody has pointed out that the $200 million/day figure is totally made up...

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Falstaff · Nov 12, 2010, 03:11 AM

there is always something costing something per day mate, 200 million is a drop in the bucket for America

dawgXdenta · Nov 12, 2010, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Falstaff

Obama is a great speaker,and he has great speech writers, but he is promoting a very expensive agenda, and the burden of the cost of all the changes is and will be borne by the middle class America that did NOT VOTE FOR HIM. Any tangible gains in jobs at home wont be realized for years after he is gone. India and China are the emerging or established economic super powers, so we had to establish relationships with either one years ago to maintain our economic posture as well. The truth of the matter is that the Obama administration has mortgaged away the future of three generations of our youth just to pay for the entitlements that he signed into law. That his administration is struggling to maintain the Democratic agenda, has changed players and advisors many times. Obama's great strength is that he can surround himself with advisors, because he is primarily an orator, a lawyer, and an idea person but he has not real qualifications as a leader, other than the sound and timber of his voice. Americans want answers and we are a fickle nation, turning immediately on any president that cannot sustain his leadership without force of will.
Americans are speaking out from both corners of the conservative and liberal left and exclaiming their distrust and second thoughts about a "spending" not mending president.
Any president, left or right of the political center would have or should improve relationships with any economic partner that trades with the west.
Obama's trip to India or to any other country will to join the National Security Council is a good thing regardless, I just wish it didnt cost so damn much.
I am desperately hoping we can get the country back on track economically myself and Obama can finally address what he promised long ago.
But then regardless of his race or sex or his leadership ability, he did promise change didnt he?
Oh yeah....change is coming.

... and we all hope its for the better Falstaff

Judas · Nov 12, 2010, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Falstaff

there is always something costing something per day mate, 200 million is a drop in the bucket for America

well over 100 trillion probably over 150 trillion dollar debt....

yes 200 mil is a drop in the bucket..

but if you were already say for most people 50,000 dollar in the hole..... there is no way in hell you would be willing to spend 50 dollar a day every single day.... for no good reason other then just to blow it..specially when your annual income is below what your expenses are for the entire year by a factor of 2 or 3x..

Be it personal or business... the people spending the money would have been fired and the business/person would have been broke.

the end result is the fact that it's compound interest....

essentially your screwed.....

United states is for a FACT..... broke.... bankrupt..... and the rest of the world owns the united states.

I'll be surprised as hell if the US doesn't end up starting more wars in order to try to combat other countries that own it... Course the UN already owns the US millitary and navy.

Falstaff · Nov 13, 2010, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Judas

well over 100 trillion probably over 150 trillion dollar debt....

yes 200 mil is a drop in the bucket..

but if you were already say for most people 50,000 dollar in the hole..... there is no way in hell you would be willing to spend 50 dollar a day every single day.... for no good reason other then just to blow it..specially when your annual income is below what your expenses are for the entire year by a factor of 2 or 3x..

Be it personal or business... the people spending the money would have been fired and the business/person would have been broke.

the end result is the fact that it's compound interest....

essentially your screwed.....

United states is for a FACT..... broke.... bankrupt..... and the rest of the world owns the united states.

I'll be surprised as hell if the US doesn't end up starting more wars in order to try to combat other countries that own it... Course the UN already owns the US millitary and navy.

The war begins at home, with America taking back what is theirs and divorcing the Democrats that intend to spend not mend.

Neshi · Nov 14, 2010, 12:00 AM

isn't this an expense with a surety that it pays itself back tenfold?

Senor_Mota · Nov 15, 2010, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Falstaff

Obama is a great speaker,and he has great speech writers, but he is promoting a very expensive agenda, and the burden of the cost of all the changes is and will be borne by the middle class America that did NOT VOTE FOR HIM. Any tangible gains in jobs at home wont be realized for years after he is gone. India and China are the emerging or established economic super powers, so we had to establish relationships with either one years ago to maintain our economic posture as well. The truth of the matter is that the Obama administration has mortgaged away the future of three generations of our youth just to pay for the entitlements that he signed into law. That his administration is struggling to maintain the Democratic agenda, has changed players and advisors many times. Obama's great strength is that he can surround himself with advisors, because he is primarily an orator, a lawyer, and an idea person but he has not real qualifications as a leader, other than the sound and timber of his voice. Americans want answers and we are a fickle nation, turning immediately on any president that cannot sustain his leadership without force of will.
Americans are speaking out from both corners of the conservative and liberal left and exclaiming their distrust and second thoughts about a "spending" not mending president.
Any president, left or right of the political center would have or should improve relationships with any economic partner that trades with the west.
Obama's trip to India or to any other country will to join the National Security Council is a good thing regardless, I just wish it didnt cost so damn much.
I am desperately hoping we can get the country back on track economically myself and Obama can finally address what he promised long ago.
But then regardless of his race or sex or his leadership ability, he did promise change didnt he?
Oh yeah....change is coming.

Falstaff, you of all people should know that the current economic situation is retroactive. We're STILL feeling the flames of the Gas Crisis in the 70's lapping at our heels; "Reaganomics", and Bush Sr. and Clinton's budget implementations are still hurting us. In fact, if you want to blame it on anything, blame it on the "temporary" programs we enstilled back in WWII that are still carried out in full-force fervor, such as welfare and Social Security Income. Shit, these programs are why the Chinese own our national parks and why we're spending money to make money.

Change is the only constant, and in this case, one man with a whole bunch of good writers won't make a damn bit of difference.

Neshi · Nov 15, 2010, 10:27 PM

it's funny how people actually believed Obama would snap his fingers and everything would be OK.
with an economy and bureaucracy so effed up as America's, change is slower than a snail. And everywhere you go, you have an opposing party trying to keep the status quo.

Judas · Nov 16, 2010, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Falstaff

The war begins at home, with America taking back what is theirs and divorcing the Democrats that intend to spend not mend.

Democrats?

why do you black list them.

The entire political spectrum is the root cause.. singling out the democrats is like scolding smacking but one finger of the entire hand..

the democrats and the republicans are both in cahoots... Puppets at best to simplify it..

denieing that fact is laughable...

and even thinking that the republicans are going to do anything at all in your interest is a total joke..

The best either party does is to screw the people and screw them good... leaving 97% of the people without really a voice..

you voted for them.. but thats all you did.. you played their game....

in the end.. reguardless of which party makes it into party.... your still voting for the same people, same policies, the only difference is that what most people do not appear to accept let alone realize is that all they are doing is watching a relatively well orchastrated show.... it's nothing more then a made for tv drama.... appearing to be real life...

Whomever you vote for ... you lose... plain and simple..

Don't forget.... Bush incited and authorised the first massive MISTAKE of a bailout....

how people seem to forget this is beyond me...

but either way.. both republicans and democrats are sevearly at fault.. just as equaly.... But that was their intention in the first place.

Judas · Nov 16, 2010, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Neshi

isn't this an expense with a surety that it pays itself back tenfold?

lol

It's an expense ..... at the cost of the people..... with the gambling bet that it will pay out..

but it's still a chance.. a very LOW and quickly diminishing chance..

At the rate that the US is printing money..... and pissing off countries it's orginally neutral with.... and allies.. to the point of making them enemies according to the US itself... i would expect US to start a war any moment now..

Bad enough US is starting to really tick off china.... and china... you do not fuck with.. and russia.... isn't pleased either..

germany/japan and several other countries are totally unhappy with the US right now.. and for good reason..

i'm a little pissed that canada is still supporting the US the way it is... But unfortunately thanks to a secret meeting in which the North American Union agreement was signed.... canada is as much screwed over as the US..... least we have a slight chance of survival.. i just doubt the paid off politians in canada are going to sway at all in the interest of the people rather then going down with the US ship..

Falstaff · Nov 18, 2010, 09:48 PM

If we ignore the growing economic power of India and China we are setting ourselves up for failure. I didnt vote for Obama and I dont believe a damn word he says, but then he is a politician...

Neshi · Nov 19, 2010, 03:12 AM

It's choosing the lesser of two evils with every election falstaff..

There will never be a president everybody is happy with, and there will never be a president that can make the problems of the last 50 years of bad conduct disappear like snow for the sun.

Judas · Nov 19, 2010, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Falstaff

If we ignore the growing economic power of India and China we are setting ourselves up for failure. I didnt vote for Obama and I dont believe a damn word he says, but then he is a politician...

That's precisely what the replubicans were doing to..

but less not forget.... many americans are ignoring the growth of any other country... generally always have and unfortunately always will.

What's worse... is that the current political system has been doing everything in their power to keep the american population's intelligence about the world they live in and other countries at the lowest as possible...

quite sad unfortunately....

Judas · Nov 19, 2010, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Neshi

It's choosing the lesser of two evils with every election falstaff..

There will never be a president everybody is happy with, and there will never be a president that can make the problems of the last 50 years of bad conduct disappear like snow for the sun.

why choose the lesser when you can kick both options out

why do people refuse to acknowledge the option of not voting for either of the "same" people..

this preception that one is lesser then the other is a total joke and all anyone is doing by voting for either of them is convincing themselves they have no choice, that the one they are voting for has the least number of complainable values then the other.... when in fact they both hold relatively the same value and are "owned" by the same people...

The whole thing is a total sham, they have every intention of putting on a show for each others values. This way they can make it appear that there is a real choice.... make it look like a ligitimate elections.. and when it's all done.... continue to fake fighting and throw the fights every once in awhile when it benefits both parties and screws the people further.

**synthesis204** · Nov 21, 2010, 04:36 PM

The founding fathers feared a two party system to no end. They didn't want to the country to be divided between two camps, pitting american vs american (gee...thanks Hamilton. You really helped us there.).

Honestly, I'm independent, and with good reason. I tend to lean left, but you can't honestly support either party rationally. The Republicans have said, outright, their job right now in the House is to block anything the Dems try to push through. I really doubt any legislation is going to get passed until the next round of elections, and by then everyone will be fed up.

Both parties need to stop making this a "me vs them" argument. We're all Americans, regardless of our political beliefs. I don't really have qualms with anyone at the moment, save for that wretch called Palin. Not because of her crappy ideals, lack of intelligence, or general tomfoolery, but because she is trying to pit American v American, neighbor v neighbor.

I'm also moving out of this country at the first opportunity.

Senor_Mota · Nov 24, 2010, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Falstaff

If we ignore the growing economic power of India and China we are setting ourselves up for failure. I didnt vote for Obama and I dont believe a damn word he says, but then he is a politician...

That's really...moot, at this point. Barack Obama walked into this situation. I didn't vote for him either, but seriously, we have to stop blaming everything on the mulatto guy who is just doing what he's told by the "Powers That Be" (American Pharmaceutical Association). Your sentiment is almost as desperate as the Republican agenda to assure Obama's "ousting" in the 2012 election.

Here's the $20 Million question: Why aren't we working together to stop such "threats", rather than dividing ourselves over petty political standpoints and giving them a space to wiggle in? I may sound brash, but people like YOU are the reason why the U.S. is crumbling at the seams. Furthermore, if you don't live here in the U.S., then how do you really have ANY opinion other than a vicarious one?

Just stop focusing on the rhetoric and these meaningless media misinterpretations that comprise your opinion. If you were really that passionate about changing a political offering or climate, then you wouldn't be busy making presumptuous statements about things you obviously don't understand; you would pick up a gun, knife, stick, rock, whatever, and FIGHT against whatever threats may be present. That's the stuff of a true countryman, a true patriot, a HERO.

If and when the time comes to face our fears and fight against "evil", will you be by my side, taking up arms, and firing mine if I fall? I'm no soldier, but I will gladly fight alongside my brothers and countrymen and DIE fighting for my family, friends and loved ones, as well as the life and love we share. There would be no greater honor.

So, are you ready to put your money where your mouth is?

Nov 9, 2010, 09:26 PM	#32
Zelig HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 3,187 Rep Power: 71 System Specs	Re: Obama's 2 Billion Dollar trip to India Wow, I'm surprised nobody has pointed out that the $200 million/day figure is totally made up... Video - Breaking News Videos from CNN.com __________________ --

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Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	Re: Obama's 2 Billion Dollar trip to India there is always something costing something per day mate, 200 million is a drop in the bucket for America __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

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Neshi S.N.A.F.U. Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Wellington, NZ Posts: 3,386 Rep Power: 183 System Specs	Re: Obama's 2 Billion Dollar trip to India isn't this an expense with a surety that it pays itself back tenfold? __________________ If one does not attach himself to people and desire, never shall his heart be broken. But then, does he ever truly live? Life is just too damn short for if's and maybe's

Nov 15, 2010, 10:27 PM	#39
Neshi S.N.A.F.U. Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Wellington, NZ Posts: 3,386 Rep Power: 183 System Specs	Re: Obama's 2 Billion Dollar trip to India it's funny how people actually believed Obama would snap his fingers and everything would be OK. with an economy and bureaucracy so effed up as America's, change is slower than a snail. And everywhere you go, you have an opposing party trying to keep the status quo. __________________ If one does not attach himself to people and desire, never shall his heart be broken. But then, does he ever truly live? Life is just too damn short for if's and maybe's

Nov 18, 2010, 09:48 PM	#42
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	Re: Obama's 2 Billion Dollar trip to India If we ignore the growing economic power of India and China we are setting ourselves up for failure. I didnt vote for Obama and I dont believe a damn word he says, but then he is a politician... __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Nov 19, 2010, 03:12 AM	#43
Neshi S.N.A.F.U. Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Wellington, NZ Posts: 3,386 Rep Power: 183 System Specs	Re: Obama's 2 Billion Dollar trip to India It's choosing the lesser of two evils with every election falstaff.. There will never be a president everybody is happy with, and there will never be a president that can make the problems of the last 50 years of bad conduct disappear like snow for the sun. __________________ If one does not attach himself to people and desire, never shall his heart be broken. But then, does he ever truly live? Life is just too damn short for if's and maybe's

Nov 21, 2010, 04:36 PM	#46
synthesis204 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 1,177 Rep Power: 99 System Specs	Re: Obama's 2 Billion Dollar trip to India The founding fathers feared a two party system to no end. They didn't want to the country to be divided between two camps, pitting american vs american (gee...thanks Hamilton. You really helped us there.). Honestly, I'm independent, and with good reason. I tend to lean left, but you can't honestly support either party rationally. The Republicans have said, outright, their job right now in the House is to block anything the Dems try to push through. I really doubt any legislation is going to get passed until the next round of elections, and by then everyone will be fed up. Both parties need to stop making this a "me vs them" argument. We're all Americans, regardless of our political beliefs. I don't really have qualms with anyone at the moment, save for that wretch called Palin. Not because of her crappy ideals, lack of intelligence, or general tomfoolery, but because she is trying to pit American v American, neighbor v neighbor. I'm also moving out of this country at the first opportunity.