Judas

I'm not a birther or whatever the hell it is..

although i question the timing and duration it's taken to provide something at least..... and it's always "strangely" appeared with "issues" so to speak which legal proffesionals allways go "well.... that's not quite right" but others tend to say.. it's within margins of error...

but it gets weirder.

someone took the time to pull appart the new PDF file released with all the descrepencies.... it's NOT a direct scan.. that's clearly obviously..

but it's further proven with a direct disembly of the image creation process of the file...

Basically laid out below



i find it very interesting...

I ask the question... "why" "what" as my main questions.....

A lot of further pros and amature investigators have taken off on a massive hunt to figure it out..... Personally i support further investigation...

I'm interested in the truth of the matter.......

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Judas

btw..

fired up illustrator and confirmed it with my sister (Proffesional graphic artist).


the orginal white house pdf is beyond modified.. it's nowhere near an orginal peice of work. There are sub layers as well.....

Why?

I wasn't following the birth certificate crap for so long due to not really caring to much about it and not having anything tangeable to work with...

now i've essentially at my disposal in front of my eyes a total fakery direct from the white house... interesting...

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blibbax

Hopefully they were just cropping it, removing stains or smudges, or something like that.

The whole argument over whether Obama is eligible to be President is ridiculous imo, in a nation that's 90% recent immigrant (recent being last few hundred years).

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Judas

1:

No... ANY graphic artist or anyone that does even a bit of "cleaning" wouldn't full replace and recreate an entire copy of a birth certificate with NO direct scan in...

the whole thing is fake and changed and inaccurate...

It is clearly constructed....

I've personally taken the time to clean up images and documents for some people... my sister has done this as a paid occupation as well.

Everything in the PDF is clearly "wrong" .... not even amatuers would "clean" a document like that up in that way....

It's not a direct scan period... FACT.... the layers clearly show this....

It's utterly unacceptable period... no buts/ifs/whats about it...

2:

As for the presedency... personally i'm all for anyone to be president through all the legal ramblings and under a truthful appearance provided they remain truthful and honest.

But Obama and any political person that has made it to his current position in the last few decades has been anything BUT...

This is a FACT.... it's well documented.... even through the official sources which orginally DOCUMENTED that they were infactual.. self contradictory documentation on the same official source website is intended for confusion or lieing... clearly lieing....

Real investigative reporting and true investigative work... and i'm not talking about those that end up on the mass media.. as usually they are total jokes which get way to much airtime... or the ones that are sticking to real facts... usually get nocked off the air before they can really state their case clearly... (or are talked over)


Either way.. in the end... Presented with the FACTS of the matter... The question of "IF" shows up that provided with evidence that Obama is INDEED not a true citizen of the united states in the manner that the Constitution requires him to be for presidency.... he therefore cannot be president.... and IF he had clearly shown this before hand and not LIED about it... i'd further support it..

HOWEVER, being that in the case that he has lied... then he should be under the law and constitution..... be removed from office... and being that he has made several attempts to falsify his records... specially using Government resources to do so.... he should be jailed and put through the justice system like any other citizen.


Personally i don't stand on his legitimacy of him being president or not... i stand on the facts of if he is whom he says he is or not... THAT has to be proven 100% first before his question on being president or not can be raised 100%.

As it stands though.... technically he's already due to being the administrator and cheif.... he is responcible for the materials released.. and makeing available a Legal document that is proved to be fake/false/inaccurate and manipulated is an offence in which he personally can be sevearly charged for....

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Neshi

When you really think Obama himself gave the orders to falsify and lie and whatever to 'hide' him being not an 'original and genuine' born and bred American, i have to laugh.
I think he is advised wherever he goes, and has not that much influence as people give him credit for. I see the US precedency as a puppet who does as the people behind him tell him, why would their actions differ so much from the speeches they gave when they were running for election?

Presidents that act up and don't do as they are told, are executed (JFK) or removed from office (like they try to do with Obama now).

call me a conspiritalist or whatever.. it sure as hell looks like it.

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OmegaRED

Oh Jesus when will this goddamn issue die. Never, that's when. People who dislike Obama will keep finding a reason to question him. The fact that he even had to show his full birth certificate is a sign he has lost and the crazies have won.

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skylineaddict

He's been president for just over 2 years. If it was so fake, someone would've done something about it. What good will it do to take him out now granted that document is extensively doctored anyway? Let Biden take over? Yeah, might as well put Bush back into office in that case.

On a more unrelated note, no one argues the real issues, they argue ideologies.

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Dude111

Who knows if this is legit!!

It does not say Malcolm X is his real father,Nor does it say he has a twin who was hidden away in an institution,Nor does it say he was born a Muslim.

It doesnt say any of the things its supposed to say!!

A good video on the matter > www.youtube.com/v/3g30VCl_cgk

blibbax

Why does it matter if he was born a muslim? How can you even be born with a religious belief anyway?

EDIT: The presenter on that video is difficult to take seriously. "Including folks with degrees, degrees... from universities!"

Holy shit? Not degrees from universities!?

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Jac

The 'presenter' in that video is Alex Jones, a world renowned fucknut - anything that squeezes out from that fat face of his can be safely ignored.

crowTrobot

It's a nice distraction at least from "not so important" issues like banks robbing everyone of their money, getting bonuses and getting away with it or that the patriot act is still in effect.

blibbax

Fraud or not, I (and pretty much everyone I know in the UK) would say that Obama is the best president that the US has had in a long, long time. It would be totally illogical to elect a rightwing nutjob instead.

I also find it hard to believe that the Whitehouse would put out a poor quality fake document. The layer's you're seeing, I predict, will emerge to be evidence of something other than forgery - perhaps enhancements, where the original document was faded or damaged. I don't know.

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Tyrsonswood

Very possible the actual document released and the one linked to in the media as the "actual document released" are not one in the same.


Beside who the #@$& cares...... Trump? There's a nut job for ya.

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blibbax

Indeed.

And Palin... oh please no...

You can guarantee that substantial shits will hit the fan if Palin gets to be the most powerful person in the world. Hopefully it'd be run from beneath her, but even so, scary thought.

Sometimes feels like the U.S. electorate are hopelessly under-qualified to make such important decisions, that effect so many other people.

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skylineaddict

My government teacher said it himself. It's mostly true. There are very few people that vote based on the issues and how each candidate aims to fix them.

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Judas

it was determined by a few people that the orginal documented had gone through a few of the layers through a OCR method... but the problem with this is that there is conflicting information about the how it was scanned in....

So yet again there are defenders... some of them are proffesionals.... but then again just as many proffesionals say otherwise..

so who the hell knows at this point...

Either way... there is utterly ZERO reason for some of the very specific parts of the document to have clear cut layered components that appear modified, and not just "enhanced"... specially when the background is was imported later....

Actually the fact of the matter is that legally, for them to make a copy of the legal document.. and bring it up to todays standards.. it first has to go through the scanning and OCR ... then be PRINTED, then scanned..... Technically then finally the printed duplicate has to be sent to the one needing or requesting the copy.

At which point the only way it'd end up on the whitehouse would be via someone there then scanning it (and it wouldn't make ANY sense at all.. period... to try to attempt another OCR scan.. not like this)

Either way... the information on the cert is highly suspect.. considering how they refer to "race" has been talked about repeatedly... Further proven by someone actually digging into one of their 1963 certs and showing that "race" showed up as "Negro"

There are countless other issues with it..


Frankly i don't really care about the facts of what it means for obama or whatever else. Other then it has so many holes in it.... and it's so damn odd that the "WHITE HOUSE" would even release it.

Looking up some other legal crap on the matter just raises more questions as by another technicality, apparently for the white house to submit and present a document on their website.. specially one that is a legal form such as this, states that it's accurate and not tampered with. In the end for something like this to go through, Obama himself would have to approve it, OR one of his underlings..

Either way he's responcible for the end results.

In the whole of it.... at the end.

All it has done is created more confusion and total chaos rather then resolve problems..

There are other numerous and unacceptable things that Obama has enforced against the constitution such as basically BLOCKED full on any investigation into his past... even some of the very things he has let slip has utterly no evidence to back up his claims....

A good example is the very university in which he claimed to had gone and had presented a paper which the orginal document is kept just like countless other universities keep for historical reasons. The stated document doesn't excist..... something that the university itself states is "odd"

When you've got the very officials of all these places ... including the medical facility that is stated on the birth cert saying "we actually don't have any single record of this occuring" just thickens the plot further.

IT's simply never ending... and it's never been like this before.

Even McCain was under heavy scrutiny on his birth and they were able to dig it up and found he was born in around the panama canel.... but to united states citizens... where as obama was born to foreign citizens.... and currently where he was born is unknown. Most of the hard evidence points to anything other then where it's stated.


All of this is incredibly interesting to me.. and it's further interesting to see how some people will bark about either "sides" points of view.

Some are just insanely against it and the other are incredibly for obama making both sides of the fence looks like it's full of shit... presenting ilogical bantering with circular discussions and arguements that always end up meaning nothing... oventually leading to outright name calling.

Meanwhile, while i would agree that there are bigger fish to fry..... i'd say obama is one of those fish considering the massive mistakes he's made that are directly comparible to that of the mistakes his predicessor had made.

I'll stick to the leaning of the fence though....

And i'll stick to the fact that politically..... all them fuckers are full of shit all the time anyways and could lie to their mother and grandmother with a straight face while cutting their throat.

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blibbax

Either way, even if Obama turns out to be an alien, I'd still want him to get a second term.

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Judas

why?

What exactly has he done to deserve a 2nd term other then fail to do basically 80% of everything he swore and promised and said he'd do during his entire time up to his presidency TO get elected? Actually he's done quite a lot of the opposite....

While bush pushed through major bailouts that put money in the pockets of the wrong people.... Obama followed suit with another that just repeated it....

brilliant....

Plus from another legal constitutional point of view... It's ilegal and actually treason for Obama to hold office while maintaining a high position in the UN as the Security console "admin" so to speak....

The list of his failings is in huge excess over anything he's remotely been "successful at" and even the few things he's successfully done... is half baked at best...

Personally i can't comprehend why either candidates are being voted on.... For the last decade, neither of the options have been good... and "picking the lesser of 2 evils" is NOT a necessary option... there are alternatives.

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blibbax

Sure, I'd like to see someone better than any current potential candidate, but that seems unlikely.

With Obama, the US have a shot at something approaching a welfare state.

With a republican at the helm, they have a right-wing loon as the most powerful man in the world (conspiracies aside for a moment). It might be a tough choice for some in the US, but for everyone else in the world, it's easy to pick which is best.

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skylineaddict

It's funny that you say that you don't care how this affects Obama, yet you continue on by saying you pretty much hate everything he's doing and wish he doesn't get reelected.

On your point about him not doing a lot of the things he tried to do, think about Congress and how it's holding him back. You honestly think the Republican led House will let anything he wants pass? Of course not. They hate Obama just as much as you do. Everyone is to blame in this matter, not just Obama. He's just the easier person to point the finger at.

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Judas

It's not that i hate him.. or hate what he's doing specifically.. it's i hate the entire political spectrum of what these guys are...... While it may appear in one breath i'm not singling him out..... and in the other i am.... it the suttle differences between him being responcible in the end for some things and in others not....

Of course congress in itself is beyond any decernable comprehension of massive corruption.... but that doesn't mean that through relatively "ilegal" yet loopholish bullshit that has been slowly pulled over the years leaves obama without the ability to put the foot down and do something right for a change.

I mean by definition, he as engaged military forces and so had bush ilegally via doing it without congresses permission which technically should have ment treason. However do to how royally fucked up the system is.... and how overburden with chaos the justice system is... the presidents in both cases meerly just gave the order straight away and did it..

yet when it comes to fairly easy almost common sense related dicissions... suddenly it's all congresses fault and they aren't willing to take the plunge to really solve it.

It's nothing but doublethink and side stepping bullshit.

Beating around the bush and lieing to our faces that "it's hard... oh so very hard" and how they will on a whim decide to follow real protocal when they like just to drag something out for a bloody 2 year run or more.... but then in a matter of minutes force through something else through the fatastic raised authority that orginally was never intended for them in the first place.


The Pick and choose nature of the system itself is totally insane.

Just take a look at the recent 911 responders health bill thing.... that's utterly insane how in a moments notice.. they managed to snap on a utterly rediculious thing which will end up feeding more of the wrong peoples pockets with money and starve the people in need of what they want.. (and increase the time period before they get the needed help)


Lets widdle this down into something more comprehensible..


Your in a car accident...

General rule of thumb and how it USED to work before everything got exploded into total fraud and deciet and utter chaos..

you'd be taken by ANYONE out there willing to help AS soon as possible... to the nearest facility able to deal with you, and EMEDIATELY be "saved" in that any bandages or whatever would simply just be done no ifs buts or whatever.

However the current system is this

Now no one is able to touch you for fear of injuring you further and being sued..... even the medical proffesionals are scared shitless because they can be now too...

Your left there bleeding to death and everyone stands around and is very concerned and wanting to help but all they can do is shout at you to stay awake hopefully long enough to get proper medical attention...

then they have to run checks... balances... get an agreement among numerous other people... and so on and so forth.. essentially the police and medical people are standing around trying to decide they want to even attempt to open the door to get you out.. and even after that.. they want to see if they can do anything more..

lawyers get involved and other medical people are brought in to be consultants.... a poll goes out to determine what the general concensus is..... then another goes out for the public... and then they argue and discuss the bullshit for awhile..

then some engineer figures that maybe instead of going through the door.. might be best to pull the windshield and yank you out that way..... even though the door is off already and they have clear access to you.

I think you likely can comprehend how utterly retarded this is and where it can continue to get even more rediculious.

THAT in itself is how the system is currently running..

AND to make matters worse.. the cheif medical officer at the scene of the accident could at any point without worry of any reprocaution could have just said "do this an get him/her out and fix him up"

Something that should have taken no more then a few minutes to do.. was just dragged out over several hours.. perhaps even days....


The thing i'm trying to say is.... several people in congress provided with logical attitudes to back them up when needed..... could have resolves so much.

Worse yet is that when the democrats had the majority.. they still fucked it all up....

As there seems to be a relatively even keel of people from both sides that are utterly insane and corrupt....

So what do the american people do?

Fuck it all, start taking a real interest... grow some fucking balls and run as an independant..... it's hard yes.... but at least with the help of the rest of the idiotic people in the country.... maybe don't vote at all for either the red or the blue for once..

Because both sides play off each other and play the "lets make this look good"... in the end.. they both get what they want..... Enourmous amounts of money for doing jack fuck all. Just to allow some puppeteers jarjam their fists up their asses for whatever they want themselves.. lobbiests should be banned/removed.

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blibbax

Oh no wall of text

/postpone reading to later date

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Tyrsonswood

Or.... you could just ignore it as I do.

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blibbax

For me, "postpone" very often means ignore in the long term :P

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Tyrsonswood

Gotcha'

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Neshi

I will have to refer to my previous post and say that I don't think the president in itself has much of a say in things.

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jwrealing

If Obama was able to clean up all the past problem created by past president. Get every thing working again. Put people back to work. No one would care if he came from Mars. But he isn't going to be able to, as 4 years wouldn't be enough time. Just like past President he'll only be able to put a band-aid on it and hope for the best.

Its time this world has one goverment so that everyone is on the same sheet of music. We all come from the same place "Planet Earth"