FuNsTeR

Scots stopped painting their faces in combat after 862 AD after the Scoti (Dál Riata) and Picts (The Painted) united to defeat the Northumbrians which resulted in the Kingdom of Alba (pronounced Ala-pa) otherwise known as Scotland

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FuNsTeR

The Referendum is to be held in the autumn of 2014, which the westminster politicians are trying to interfere in ... they have forgotten one major point they have mandate to interfere in Scottish politics we have more pandas than we have tory MPs, the Snp won a landslide victory on the back of holding a referendum on the union on the 2nd half of their parliamentry term, no rantings from Herr Cameron on co will change that, they knew this in advance ... the more westminster gets involved the greater the chance of victory for Nationalists like me

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BlueMak

I don't know if Scotland on its own would be better for the people there, but if this is what the people vote for, that's their decision. What I can say though is that it's better not to bet in one horse only. (oil rigs)

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The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others(Bertrand Russell)"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil,You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." - Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis
This is slavery, not to speak one's thought. [Euripides-The Phoenician Women (c.411-409 B.C.)] http://www.macedonia.info/FALLACIESANDFACTS.htm Sic semper tyrannis.

FuNsTeR

Scotland our industry is very diversed, Scotland has more natural resources than any other country in the EU for example without Scotland the EU fisherys would be completely f*cked, where do you think the french get their lobsters and langostines from and other shell fish the EU needs us more than we need them our oil and gas reserves off the west Coast of Scotland dwarfs the oil and gas reserves from the north sea at their peak we do not need nuclear power as we can generate our energy from 100% renewables

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BlueMak

All I say is careful what you wish for, you might get it.

Good luck either way.

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The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others(Bertrand Russell)"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil,You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." - Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis
This is slavery, not to speak one's thought. [Euripides-The Phoenician Women (c.411-409 B.C.)] http://www.macedonia.info/FALLACIESANDFACTS.htm Sic semper tyrannis.

Judas

the silver/gold and other valuables that are very abundant in Scotland and heavily exported, is probably by itself more than enough to more than sustain themselves alone.

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blibbax

Not at their current levels of prosperity.

Natural resources alone a great nation do not make.

That said, if the Scots really want independence, they should have it. I'd wish them the best of luck and grimace as the rest of the UK knuckles down for a generation of Tory dominated politics. I just hope that the referendum sees a decent turnout and well-informed voting (unlike the ill-fated AV referendum).

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Judas

Overall resources and REAL wealth do make for a much easier transition and a good future prospect though.

If the governing body is corrupt or criminals in general.. obviously it wouldn't matter what was available.. it'd be stolen.

But either way, Scotland has a very VERY wide area of expertise and resources available and made/kept within the country itself. It can easily sustain itself. Even with the inventors and genius that is present there.

Just like western Canada could quite easily devide itself away from eastern Canada .. (slice it down the Ontario Manitoba border)... which would quite likely leave eastern Canada is a struggling situation and western Canada totally booming.

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FuNsTeR

that is why we do not want westminster interfering in our politics everything tories/labour touch turns to sh!te ... it is not just about wealth a large part is to do with our national identity and our culture ..

don't get me wrong England is a great country i personally feel the union is holding back England and the English, it is not a crime to be proud to be English or Scottish i would rather we were good nieghbours instead of disgruntled partners in a failing marriage, as i have said earlier in the thread England has a rich culture in the arts, music etc and you need to replace GSTQ with something like England's green and pleasant land or land of hope and glory .... GSTQ is a dirge much the same as FoS is for us in Scotland

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FuNsTeR

what is really starting to annoy me is the political mud slinging from the no camp David Cameron said he wanted the contest to be a positive debate so that the people of Scotland can decide on their future ... the debate should be about the pro cons of staying in the union or leaving the union so that people can decided on the basis of the issues that matter most to them ... scaremongering will have a negative effect on the referendum outcome just like negative campaigning had a massive effect on the 2011 Scottish assembly election which Snp won on a landslide. personally i would prefer a positive campaign from both sides .... the people of Scotland deserve no less and continuing with the negatives can only damage future relations between the rest of the UK .... which no one really wants

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Callandor

I am totally against that idea that came up that Western Canada should separate from Eastern Canada, or even that Quebec should separate from Canada, good thing it remained just that, an idea.

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AMDproud

when i comes to uk politics we have the worst goverment/leaders in the world on guy gets us i debt, the other sparks a flame for riots and goes on holiday and his partner in goverment bricks it and forgets hes a nation leader. get a politician give them 9k, 2kids, a council house, no benefits and a car then tell them to survive when the local shop is 3 miles away, see how long it takes for this debt to be sorted and for them to stop lining there own pockets

blibbax

Certainly our politicians are self-serving and incompetent, but this is true the world over. If anything, ours are above average (see Africa, the Middle East, Central Asia...).

And giving politicians less money is hardly going to incentivise them to stop lining their pockets. What it would do is leave us with even worse politicians - part of the problem is that politics is such an unnattractive career for the kind of people that could do well elsewhere (i.e. decent, competent people).

As for your account of recent history:

• The UK has the best government debt situation in the developed world. You have Gordon Brown to thank for this, believe it or not.
  • Going into the 2008 recession, our debt level as a percentage of national GDP was the lowest of any developed nation. It remains one of the lowest, despite growing due to the purchase of bank stakes (which we will eventually be repaid for).
  • We have our own independent central bank, meaning that we can use quantitative easing or inflation to climb out of debt issues. This means that we could never find ourself unable to pay our debts if we wished to.
  • We issue government bonds over a very long period, much longer than other comparable nations. So each year, we have very few loans to refinance.
  • If you're thinking "but what about all these cuts the coalition are having to do", those are excessive, poorly chosen, and, in my opinion, show a lack of adequate understanding.
• The riots were not single-handedly sparked by David Cameron. They are evidence of a long standing social phenomenon.
• I couldn't possibly comment on the possibility of Clegg having bricked himself.

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AMDproud

fair play iv'e got to admit you have got a good point but the pressure applied to the working class is increasing and this what sparked the riots with the current increases in tax, and the general cost living going up with-out balncing the income to meet the current change in the cost of living, the minimum has not increased to compensate for this. problems like this use to affect me but no longer do. the only thing gordon brown did wrong was ever be part of the britsh politically system when he was chancellor he sold all the gold reserves when the prices were at the lowest, if he never did that we could now have a fall back, secondly he spent all our money on wars we never belonged in.

AMDproud

you have to agree

blibbax

I don't have to agree, but as it happens I will. He made a mistake with the gold and I think western society in general made a mistake with excessive military involvement in the Middle East. Although this is all easy to say in hindsight.

I also agree that the poorest are being made increasingly badly off at the moment. Although I'm not sure you can blame that alone for the riots - I think they had a lot to do with a disillusionment with the system that goes beyond economic inequality.

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FuNsTeR

the bulk of the UK debt is down to Iraq and Afghanistan ... for some reason westminster politicians think these islands are a super power ... they are 60 years to late

the Tories don't want to keep the Union ... they have shot themselves in the foot

BBC News - Peter Cruddas secretly taped making Tory Union claims

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AMDproud

were screwed just been reading some news

looks like the monitoring of web traffic and phones is going ahead

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/london/que...ring-plan/4663

welcome to the nanny state

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Tyrsonswood

1984 anyone?

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blibbax

It's been like that in the US for ages, hasn't it? Not that that makes it a good thing, of course.

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Transk53

Part of me loathes the idea of a breakup, I would not like to both Country's suffer politically or on economic basis. Then of course I am brought back to my senses. My late Grandad was Aberdeen born and bred and a proud Scotsman whom bled for this Isle. The Scots have done a lot for England and I for one would like to see them succeed. Britain has no relevance to those of us that count ourselves English, Irish, Scotish or Welsh.

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