People who support the legalizing of pot.

The_Neon_Cowboy · Oct 1, 2003, 03:56 AM

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Originally posted by Smoothdrive
I still wonder which cavemen decided to try and inhale some smoke from plants that he had dried...

It's the Indians that invented smoking isn't it ? or was it the Chinese with their opium pipes ?

I think @ some point man ran around eating and smokeing everthing.... how else whould we know whats edable / smokeable.... TRUE?

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Originally posted by fallang_jeff
there are several gateway drugs, marijuana is one of them...addiction, regardless of the drug if you will, is still addiction, right?

well many even despute that it is even a drug ..... (by defonition isn't it a narcotic?)
wich is basicalyy the same darn thing

many belive that tabbacco doest cause cancer and some belive weed is less toxic than tobacco becouse all the junk they punt it them for "flavoring" etc....

as i see it...people who smoke might as well go comit suicide becouse thats what thier doing only more slowly.... if you have to revert to drugs to Ignore your problems insted of acually faceing them... you need counsoling

mike2h · Oct 1, 2003, 04:40 AM

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Originally posted by fallang_jeff
there are several gateway drugs, marijuana is one of them...addiction, regardless of the drug if you will, is still addiction, right?

right! the problem here is cause & effect. if all the illegal drugs were made to go away, all these people would STILL find something to be addicted to. most people think drugs are the cause. this is not true in most cases. they are the effect. if people did not have some sort of problem/issue or suffer from an inabillity to make correct choices(genetics do play a factor.) the drug trade would be only 20-30 % of what it is.
this is not to say i condone drugs or their use. far from it. i just think there is to much blame put on drugs & not enough on the people involved.
i think anybody pushing or using heroin(& its derivatives), cocaine & meth(&their derivatives), should be punished severley. the people growing & producing this stuff should be blown out of existence & some sort of program set up to help people with addictive/self abusive personalities.
i also believe that having pot illegal while alcohol is not is ludicrous & hypocritcal.
i particapated when i was younger, & have been around smokers most of my life(except when i was living in australia & n.z.) not counting the people who are zoned out all the time- i believe the cassic stereotype for 'pothead' is some body that has no motivation & would be lazy/worthless wether they are smoking or not- the are all to varying degrees good parents & workers, & nice people to be around. the same can not be said for the people i know that drink a lot or more.(the stereotype thing also applies here also, though more justified)
i see moral problems & societal issues with legalising pot. imo, since there has to be recreational drugs, mj is the only one worthy of consideration for legalising. you legaise pot, give everybody the safest choice in recreational drugs & come down 10x harder on violators of all the drug laws.
then again it is all a moot point 'cause it is not going to happen anytime soon. & even if they did the gov would find a way to screw it all up.

Falstaff · Oct 1, 2003, 05:28 AM

I recall an interview with a young woman incarcerated for drug abuse and theft..she also got clean in the big house..she said she found ways to get high...holding her breath before orgasm, choking, and spinning in a horizontal position till she couldnt walk...yes...addiction must be an allele in the protien sequence of our DNA

~~Luck~~ · Oct 1, 2003, 05:39 AM

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Originally posted by fallang_jeff
I recall an interview with a young woman incarcerated for drug abuse and theft..she also got clean in the big house..she said she found ways to get high...holding her breath before orgasm, choking, and spinning in a horizontal position till she couldnt walk...yes...addiction must be an allele in the protien sequence of our DNA

I've noticed this too.

HAHA, I sometimes breathe really quick to get high from laughter. But that's not an addiction, it's only my retarded humor.

mike2h · Oct 1, 2003, 07:58 AM

i think genetics is only part of it. i believe addicts can also be 'created' by societal & family pressures & behavioral choices. it is definetley a mixed bag & unfotunatley our society propogates this problem behavior.

Smoothdrive · Oct 1, 2003, 09:03 AM

From what i've seen people take drugs just to enhance their pleasure..than get hooked and run out of money causing problems which they can escape by getting their daily dose.

I've seen people getting "slow" from taking too much marihuana..but those people where smoking 2-3 joints daily for years...

Recreational use is no hazzard..it's getting old but again..same as alcohol..drink 10 beers daily for years and see how you turn out.

Marihuana is out of fashion here amongst the youngsters anyway..XTC and a new drug (PHG PHB or something like that) are the hip drugs now..both are not legal here mind you.

It seems that the long term effect of legalisation causes marihuana to get less interesting for youngsters..they'll move to the next drug that still is illegal.

Forbidden fruits...

Falstaff · Oct 1, 2003, 01:52 PM

yes....and escapism...we americans excel at it..sigh

mike2h · Oct 1, 2003, 05:32 PM

unfotunatley, you got it right.

BluntmaN · Nov 11, 2003, 07:57 AM

Smoothdrive

You are right in the youngsters bit and also that pot just like beer and nicotine and coffee has adverse effects on the body of the user.

Having smoked pot in a older age (19 yo) and having been a pot head for years now I have come to reallise a few truths and myths about substance abuse.
Smoking every day is not advised however the same can be said about everything in life. Too much sex can make your penis bleed and also afects your sperm count. Too much food gets you fat. Too much exercise makes you a dump prick full of Testosterone. Doing to much of one thing in life has adverse effects on your body but exercising, eating and having sex is not illegal so why is pot? Why is any drug illegal it is your God given right to do anything with your body (catholics excluded).
The answer to such a question is very complex and I have been to enough debates to know there is no answer. Bill Hicks claims "pot and all other drugs are not taxable so they are bad but a BUD is OK cos you pay taxes when you Do it." The conservatives say "Pot destroys people and it is evil." or "it is a gateway drug leading to heroin and certain death".
-The "gateway drug" theory is very interesting coz I have friends who take or have taken many drugs but none ever tried heroin or died on the steet from drug abuse, maybe I am hanging with the wrong crowd.-
In the end of the day the aproach that nobody likes but is the most effective is this: "It is my body and as long as I don't harm ne1 with it I have the right in a free society to do nething I want I can eat junk food, sit in the couch and watch BS on the telly I can inject or do any drug I want be it heroin, glue, pot, dirt or shit. So legalise EVERYTHING I mean crack and heroin as well as long a doctor oversees my adiction." This aproach is the most effective to kill all drug related crimes overnight but the Fasistic Bush regime says "What about the children?" I say well kids have to deal with it just as they deal with other practises of human life sure drugs are bad for kids so is eating a McBullshit or crossing the street or even getting born in the wrong family you can't make the world stop just coz your angel wants to cross the street.

Sorry for the ranting too much coffee I guess.

The_Neon_Cowboy · Dec 4, 2003, 04:06 PM

older topic but i wanna weigh in on this important topic

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Originally posted by Smoothdrive
You people make judgement as if it is cocaine, xtc or heroine..it's only pot.
The stuff is even less harmfull than alcohol when you look at it from a health point of view.

It is legal here, none of the doom and gloom that you guys predict has happened here.
I am against legalising hard drugs tough.

Keeping soft drugs illegal is more harmfull for your youngsters imo ..it draws them into the illegal circuit to get it..once that step is taken why not try something stronger..it's available in the same circuit after all.

weed is a gateway drug i know for a fact, most people doing the hard stuff started smokeing weed ,but some people stop there. .There are a lot of potheads here its a campus town. I know some people that made it back off the hard stuff but still can't get away from weed.

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Originally posted by Luck
Everytime I say that, this guy keeps saying "Then why is alchol legal? It's just as dangerous"

1. its was illegal! we tryed to make it illeagal around the 1920's . have you never herd of prohabition? it was later made legal again due to public outcry and gansters makeing alot of tax free$$$.

2. alachol and tabbaco are leagal for reasons. you have any idea how many billion dallors the govment makes it taxes of cigs and booze? hundreds of billions. it was estamated that a pack of cigs would cost about 50 cents a pack with out all the gov. taxes. same goes for booze, huge taxes. I can go to the duty free zones and get booze for 1/2 the price you can find anyware else.

3. not every one ha drinks dinks to get drunk. thiers alot of people with a little more class than that.
sme are social drinkers. some just enjoy the tase of a fine wine as i do.

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Originally posted by Smoothdrive
This may shock you but marihuana is even subsribed as a medicine here..it reliefs pain and relaxes muscles for patients with certain forms of cancer or nerve/muscle deceases.

Alcohol is much worse for your health, especially since it is taken in much highere doses to get a buzz out of it. It is much bigger attack on your body drinking 20 beers than smoking one joint..and the one joint will get you in the same state as drinking 20 beers. But you won't get aggresive and you won't have a hangover from the joint..talk about obvious..do you think the hangover tells you that your body likes alcohol ?

Why legalising pot is good should be easy to figure for Americans actually..remember what happened when alcohol was illegal in the US ?

Making something illegal allways seems to raise the appeal for it, and obtaining it anyway will draw people into illegal places. as said before that is a bigger danger than smoking a joint.

becouse people that are after that drunk feeling and have more money than the cost of a case of beer will drink the hardstuff. legalinseing it will bring to every store and every house hold. who wants an entre country addicted to drugs?

and try to tell me weed does couse accidents and crime even, if legalized alot of people will die. Thier has been sever accidents. my mom would have died had she not given someone esle the curtsy to go ahead of her. A huge truck then ran the red light ahead and broad side that car and killed the mother and 13 year old dought that was in it. They hit with such force parts of thats car hit my moms car. The drivers of the huge constuction vehickle/truck had been somkeing weed and didn't react to the light being red.

if you have to turn to durgs to solve lifes peoples than why live? drugs have a place in medicene and no where else....

for thouse of you thinking then medicainal weed? no that should be illegal 2. you wanna know why? thiere is company that has derived the medicaional quality for the plant with out the NARCOTIC effects and it by defontion would be legal. People what the get high effects no one sems to have interst in their product. so ther is no valid use for weed other than to GET HIGH....

BTW. hemp rope is made from the stems not the leaves and almost no one uses natual rope anynore.

ktbhannible · Dec 6, 2003, 06:24 PM

Please people who in their argument say that "Pot is is illegal" and being illegal is enough of a reason, look what was legal and should have been illegal...i.e....slavery, killing jews, women not being allowed to vote, abortion and vice versa. Get my drift? Just because its against the law or as in the case of slavery legal doesnt make the law correct. People who beleive in the law blindly without educating themselves about these laws are
1. uneducated
2. have low I.Q.'s and have a valid excuse for stupidity for genetic reasons
3. Evil. as they know the law is wrong, but support it anyway.

Remember that in the Nurenborg trials "Just following orders" was not a valid defence for crimes against humanity for the nazi's, nor should it be for the DEA thugs when the law changes back.

BluntmaN · Dec 7, 2003, 04:46 AM

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who wants an entre country addicted to drugs?

There is no addiction in pot. I have been smoking for months everyday and I go cold turkey next day coz I go back to my family and I do this every single vacation from Uni. When I say cold turkey I do mean it without suffering any negative effects and I have been known to have true addictions as: smoking, chocolate and coffee.

Studies have shown that THC is mildly habit forming however studies have also explained how you don't get any of the ill effects from withdrawal. Thc dissolves in fat cells and stays there for two weeks but when you go cold turkey the Thc is released in small quantities over the two week period and you dont get the headaches, agitation etc.

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and try to tell me weed does couse accidents and crime even, if legalized alot of people will die. Thier has been sever accidents. my mom would have died had she not given someone esle the curtsy to go ahead of her. A huge truck then ran the red light ahead and broad side that car and killed the mother and 13 year old dought that was in it. They hit with such force parts of thats car hit my moms car. The drivers of the huge constuction vehickle/truck had been somkeing weed and didn't react to the light being red.

Booze is the no1 killer on the road and it is legal. As with all other drugs use your head when you take them I would not drive while stoned (in fact I would have to be quite hungry to leave the sofa j/k) or drunk. It is also a not good idea to drink ten coffees and perform brain surgery.

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for thouse of you thinking then medicainal weed? no that should be illegal 2. you wanna know why? thiere is company that has derived the medicaional quality for the plant with out the NARCOTIC effects and it by defontion would be legal. People what the get high effects no one sems to have interst in their product. so ther is no valid use for weed other than to GET HIGH....

The reason for this is not that they cant illiminate negative effects since other drugs are on sale that are much worse than weed. Xanax, Valium, Temazepam, Dexadrine, Nyquil etc have negative effects but are prescribed daily to people (Btw negative effects include death something weed can't do by ODing anyway). The reason for medical weed not being sold is that we can't issolate the THC from the other Cannabinoids we could issolate them as a whole but since each plant contains a different ammount of the chemicals you cant make sure that each pill is the same with the next. Btw weed has been used by people who suffer from cancer and it has been proven that it is the only drug that can reduce pain, nausea and anorexia with the smallest ammount of negative effects hence folks that smoke weed dont have to take drugs that turn them into plants.

digerati · Dec 7, 2003, 04:56 AM

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Originally posted by BluntmaN
There is no addiction in pot. I have been smoking for months everyday and I go cold turkey next day coz I go back to my family and I do this every single vacation from Uni. When I say cold turkey I do mean it without suffering any negative effects and I have been known to have true addictions as: smoking, chocolate and coffee.

My mom has been smoking weed for 30 years. She can't go without it, if the dealers out of town she'll buy from someone else, no matter the price. I'd call that an addiction. And yes she even smoked during my pregnancy, and yes she knew there might be problems with me if she did smoke.

BluntmaN · Dec 7, 2003, 05:52 AM

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Originally posted by ^_^
My mom has been smoking weed for 30 years. She can't go without it, if the dealers out of town she'll buy from someone else, no matter the price. I'd call that an addiction. And yes she even smoked during my pregnancy, and yes she knew there might be problems with me if she did smoke.

Ok I am now VERY SERIOUS your mom needs help. I know people like that they ll try to destroy themselves with any means possible. If a woman does not stop smoking and doing drugs while pregnant is in need of therapy FFS. Sorry about your mom but I do think she has more issues than just smoking pot.

digerati · Dec 7, 2003, 02:58 PM

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Originally posted by BluntmaN
Ok I am now VERY SERIOUS your mom needs help. I know people like that they ll try to destroy themselves with any means possible. If a woman does not stop smoking and doing drugs while pregnant is in need of therapy FFS. Sorry about your mom but I do think she has more issues than just smoking pot.

She quit drinking and heroine. Both of which are exclaimed as harder to quit. But yet the marijuana remains. Why? I don't know, but I will never say it's not addictive.

BluntmaN · Dec 8, 2003, 03:05 AM

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Originally posted by ^_^
She quit drinking and heroine. Both of which are exclaimed as harder to quit. But yet the marijuana remains. Why? I don't know, but I will never say it's not addictive.

If she is a Junkie then how come you haven't run out of money feeding her habits? Is your dad a millionaire? Who are you mate Keath Richard's son? I am talking about the average drug user who goes to work and then gets home and smokes pot, shoots heroin or smokes some crack. Millionaires and movie stars are always exceptions as are people who have a death wish but lack the stregth to pull a triger.

**Roadee** · Dec 8, 2003, 04:55 AM

Um........prescription pain killers are very rapidly surpassing MJ use in this country, and is growing at a severe rate. (oxy contin)

Pot should be legalized.......period. I have not read one single valid reason in this thread to make me think otherwise.

Yes I have used pot.....I was told to by several Dr's since normal drugs have no effect on me........and I have been prescribed just about every single pain medication that there is under the sun.......to include MS Contin in mass quantities for months on end.........and it didn't work......and I have never been addicted to ANY of them........does this make me special.......no........just a person who suffer's from constant high to severe pain levels, with more medical problems than I care to list......

I have had several Dr's.....as in, "more than a dozen".........specialist's in there fields......tell me that the reason I have not had problems with drug addiction is because my pain levels are at such a significant level.......that it over rides the natural human instincts to take the easy road and do what feels good.....

I can see there point in this. How many fat people do you see everyday? How often do you see someone order a double cheese burger, large fries, apple pie, and a "diet" drink?? How many people do you know that get off of work on Friday and go out that night and get drunk? How many gas stations or grocery stores DONT sell cigarettes??

People eat too damn much because they like the taste of food......then after a while, there minds get trained in this thought process......and eating becomes an addiction. The same can be said for alcohol, cigarettes, chocolate, ice cream, extreme sports, driving fast, SEX........and so on.

Being addicted to something wheather it is pot of big mac's has NOTHING to do with what you're addiction is.......it has to do with your ability to think and control of your thought process. In other words....a weak mind is more likely to be "addicted" to something......anything.....and that is where "therapy" comes in.......and sorry to say it.......there are a hell of a lot of people addicted to therapy in this country.

EVERYONE has addictions.......EVERYONE!!! And all addictions have one thing in common.......the person thought it "felt good"........and kept doing it.......until they convinced themselves that they "needed" it........intentionally or not.........shit happens.

Pot is natural.......

Pot that is laced with other things is not........and can cause brain damage and other shit. A big thing back in the 70's was to spray roach killer on it and let it dry...then smoke it.......that took intelligence!!

I have known a lot of people that are casual user's of pot.......and I have known several idiots that drink to much, snort cocaine, and have tried anything that they can just to get "high".......these people were addicted to the idea that they could cheat life and escape reallity......and then blame everyone else for there failure's.........

Dont spend your time complaining about something as minute as pot use or the legalization of pot........why dont you guy's spend the time trying to find a way to help the next generation have a stronger mind......

digerati · Dec 8, 2003, 11:20 PM

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Originally posted by BluntmaN
If she is a Junkie then how come you haven't run out of money feeding her habits? Is your dad a millionaire? Who are you mate Keath Richard's son? I am talking about the average drug user who goes to work and then gets home and smokes pot, shoots heroin or smokes some crack. Millionaires and movie stars are always exceptions as are people who have a death wish but lack the stregth to pull a triger.

She quit the worse stuff just a while before she found out she was pregnant. And now all she does is smoke bud 3 times a day. And calling her a junkie is pretty messed up considering she works everyday, 8 hours a day, comes home and cooks, cleans. But she still smokes, in the morning, at lunch, and a hell of a lot right before bed. She can't go a day without it. But she still functions normally, but she's still addicted.

~~craig588~~ · Dec 8, 2003, 11:39 PM

Just because I want to express my opinion, but dont want to read all the posts, I list some of my views.

1. it should be all or nothing. IE: tobbaco, and alcohol and all other various drugs banned, or all unbanned. I dont see the difference from someone drinking too much and getting alcogol poisoning, and somoene overdoing marijuana or whatever.

2. I personally think it would be better if they were all legal, but all regulated by pharmacys. Many problems arise when people get tainted drugs from irreputable drug dealers. Pharmacys would also be able to give people instructions on how to properlly use them. (It sounds ridiculous, but I mean like how they regulate alcohol, and you can only have X amout in your blood)

3. if somoenes dumb enough to use drugs, they should be allowed. I did speed once, and it screwed my up so bad. (I bet a few people remember some of my crazy forum posts from that time) I'm never going to do that agian. The drug war is a losing battle that expends alot of my/your money for barly any effect. It costs X dollars a year to fight the problem, but the amount of people that dont need to go to therapy programs, and the amount of illigal drugs collected only equal X/10. (I'm just making up figures, so dont hold me to them)

Markius · Dec 9, 2003, 03:04 AM

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Originally posted by Luck
Well you see..alcohol consuption is probably more than pot-use..of course if your friend smoked it like cigs, he'd be nothing but a vegatable. I've seen some of the pot-heads in Woodstock..all they talk about is pot and their reaction time is slow..

if someone had standard alcoholic drinks like they had cigarettes they'd be pissed of their faces every day

mainman · Dec 9, 2003, 03:09 AM

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Originally posted by Markius
if someone had standard alcoholic drinks like they had cigarettes they'd be pissed of their faces every day

Here, here, i currently smoke 2/5 pacs of smokes per day, i know, i know........

desmo · Jan 2, 2004, 06:48 AM

I apologize for not reading through this entire thread, so if this has already been mentioned please ignore it. But why does someone in the possession of pot pose a threat to anyone? If not, why is it a crime?

Oct 1, 2003, 05:28 AM	#63
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	I recall an interview with a young woman incarcerated for drug abuse and theft..she also got clean in the big house..she said she found ways to get high...holding her breath before orgasm, choking, and spinning in a horizontal position till she couldnt walk...yes...addiction must be an allele in the protien sequence of our DNA __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Oct 1, 2003, 07:58 AM	#65
mike2h DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: norcal Posts: 6,483 Rep Power: 91 System Specs	fallang_jeff i think genetics is only part of it. i believe addicts can also be 'created' by societal & family pressures & behavioral choices. it is definetley a mixed bag & unfotunatley our society propogates this problem behavior. __________________

Oct 1, 2003, 09:03 AM	#66
Smoothdrive Foolish Genius Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 455 Rep Power: 0	From what i've seen people take drugs just to enhance their pleasure..than get hooked and run out of money causing problems which they can escape by getting their daily dose. I've seen people getting "slow" from taking too much marihuana..but those people where smoking 2-3 joints daily for years... Recreational use is no hazzard..it's getting old but again..same as alcohol..drink 10 beers daily for years and see how you turn out. Marihuana is out of fashion here amongst the youngsters anyway..XTC and a new drug (PHG PHB or something like that) are the hip drugs now..both are not legal here mind you. It seems that the long term effect of legalisation causes marihuana to get less interesting for youngsters..they'll move to the next drug that still is illegal. Forbidden fruits... __________________ GA-7VRXP, AMD2000+, 256MB PC-2700 DDR, Radeon 8500LE, 2x Maxtor 740 (40GB) stripe set, AGNeovo X-150.

Oct 1, 2003, 01:52 PM	#67
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	yes....and escapism...we americans excel at it..sigh __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Oct 1, 2003, 05:32 PM	#68
mike2h DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: norcal Posts: 6,483 Rep Power: 91 System Specs	Smoothdrive unfotunatley, you got it right. __________________

Nov 11, 2003, 07:57 AM	#69
BluntmaN DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: I have no idea Posts: 229 Rep Power: 0	Smoothdrive You are right in the youngsters bit and also that pot just like beer and nicotine and coffee has adverse effects on the body of the user. Having smoked pot in a older age (19 yo) and having been a pot head for years now I have come to reallise a few truths and myths about substance abuse. Smoking every day is not advised however the same can be said about everything in life. Too much sex can make your penis bleed and also afects your sperm count. Too much food gets you fat. Too much exercise makes you a dump prick full of Testosterone. Doing to much of one thing in life has adverse effects on your body but exercising, eating and having sex is not illegal so why is pot? Why is any drug illegal it is your God given right to do anything with your body (catholics excluded). The answer to such a question is very complex and I have been to enough debates to know there is no answer. Bill Hicks claims "pot and all other drugs are not taxable so they are bad but a BUD is OK cos you pay taxes when you Do it." The conservatives say "Pot destroys people and it is evil." or "it is a gateway drug leading to heroin and certain death". -The "gateway drug" theory is very interesting coz I have friends who take or have taken many drugs but none ever tried heroin or died on the steet from drug abuse, maybe I am hanging with the wrong crowd.- In the end of the day the aproach that nobody likes but is the most effective is this: "It is my body and as long as I don't harm ne1 with it I have the right in a free society to do nething I want I can eat junk food, sit in the couch and watch BS on the telly I can inject or do any drug I want be it heroin, glue, pot, dirt or shit. So legalise EVERYTHING I mean crack and heroin as well as long a doctor oversees my adiction." This aproach is the most effective to kill all drug related crimes overnight but the Fasistic Bush regime says "What about the children?" I say well kids have to deal with it just as they deal with other practises of human life sure drugs are bad for kids so is eating a McBullshit or crossing the street or even getting born in the wrong family you can't make the world stop just coz your angel wants to cross the street. Sorry for the ranting too much coffee I guess. __________________ 'Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns — the ones we don't know we don't know.' Donald Rumsfeld (And then they say that the White House knows what it's doing)

Dec 6, 2003, 06:24 PM	#71
ktbhannible DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 36 Rep Power: 0	Please people who in their argument say that "Pot is is illegal" and being illegal is enough of a reason, look what was legal and should have been illegal...i.e....slavery, killing jews, women not being allowed to vote, abortion and vice versa. Get my drift? Just because its against the law or as in the case of slavery legal doesnt make the law correct. People who beleive in the law blindly without educating themselves about these laws are 1. uneducated 2. have low I.Q.'s and have a valid excuse for stupidity for genetic reasons 3. Evil. as they know the law is wrong, but support it anyway. Remember that in the Nurenborg trials "Just following orders" was not a valid defence for crimes against humanity for the nazi's, nor should it be for the DEA thugs when the law changes back.

Dec 8, 2003, 04:55 AM	#77
Roadee Never forgotten Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Rest In peace, Joe. Posts: 2,198 Rep Power: 69	Um........prescription pain killers are very rapidly surpassing MJ use in this country, and is growing at a severe rate. (oxy contin) Pot should be legalized.......period. I have not read one single valid reason in this thread to make me think otherwise. Yes I have used pot.....I was told to by several Dr's since normal drugs have no effect on me........and I have been prescribed just about every single pain medication that there is under the sun.......to include MS Contin in mass quantities for months on end.........and it didn't work......and I have never been addicted to ANY of them........does this make me special.......no........just a person who suffer's from constant high to severe pain levels, with more medical problems than I care to list...... I have had several Dr's.....as in, "more than a dozen".........specialist's in there fields......tell me that the reason I have not had problems with drug addiction is because my pain levels are at such a significant level.......that it over rides the natural human instincts to take the easy road and do what feels good..... I can see there point in this. How many fat people do you see everyday? How often do you see someone order a double cheese burger, large fries, apple pie, and a "diet" drink?? How many people do you know that get off of work on Friday and go out that night and get drunk? How many gas stations or grocery stores DONT sell cigarettes?? People eat too damn much because they like the taste of food......then after a while, there minds get trained in this thought process......and eating becomes an addiction. The same can be said for alcohol, cigarettes, chocolate, ice cream, extreme sports, driving fast, SEX........and so on. Being addicted to something wheather it is pot of big mac's has NOTHING to do with what you're addiction is.......it has to do with your ability to think and control of your thought process. In other words....a weak mind is more likely to be "addicted" to something......anything.....and that is where "therapy" comes in.......and sorry to say it.......there are a hell of a lot of people addicted to therapy in this country. EVERYONE has addictions.......EVERYONE!!! And all addictions have one thing in common.......the person thought it "felt good"........and kept doing it.......until they convinced themselves that they "needed" it........intentionally or not.........shit happens. Pot is natural....... Pot that is laced with other things is not........and can cause brain damage and other shit. A big thing back in the 70's was to spray roach killer on it and let it dry...then smoke it.......that took intelligence!! I have known a lot of people that are casual user's of pot.......and I have known several idiots that drink to much, snort cocaine, and have tried anything that they can just to get "high".......these people were addicted to the idea that they could cheat life and escape reallity......and then blame everyone else for there failure's......... Dont spend your time complaining about something as minute as pot use or the legalization of pot........why dont you guy's spend the time trying to find a way to help the next generation have a stronger mind...... __________________ We are born naked, wet, and hungry. Then things get worse.

Dec 8, 2003, 11:39 PM	#79
~~craig588~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: In clothing Posts: 3,510 Rep Power: 0	Just because I want to express my opinion, but dont want to read all the posts, I list some of my views. 1. it should be all or nothing. IE: tobbaco, and alcohol and all other various drugs banned, or all unbanned. I dont see the difference from someone drinking too much and getting alcogol poisoning, and somoene overdoing marijuana or whatever. 2. I personally think it would be better if they were all legal, but all regulated by pharmacys. Many problems arise when people get tainted drugs from irreputable drug dealers. Pharmacys would also be able to give people instructions on how to properlly use them. (It sounds ridiculous, but I mean like how they regulate alcohol, and you can only have X amout in your blood) 3. if somoenes dumb enough to use drugs, they should be allowed. I did speed once, and it screwed my up so bad. (I bet a few people remember some of my crazy forum posts from that time) I'm never going to do that agian. The drug war is a losing battle that expends alot of my/your money for barly any effect. It costs X dollars a year to fight the problem, but the amount of people that dont need to go to therapy programs, and the amount of illigal drugs collected only equal X/10. (I'm just making up figures, so dont hold me to them)

Jan 2, 2004, 06:48 AM	#82
desmo DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 45 Rep Power: 0	I apologize for not reading through this entire thread, so if this has already been mentioned please ignore it. But why does someone in the possession of pot pose a threat to anyone? If not, why is it a crime?