People who support the legalizing of pot.

~~Luck~~ · Sep 19, 2003, 10:55 PM

Ok, I'm not an advocator of this..but I was recently posting on a forum and I went into a thread with pot-heads debating.

I'd like to know what's your input on this.

First off, I want it to stay illegal. Many have gone as far as to say that "Hey, alchol is legal, why can't pot be?" And even after I drill them with statements that refute these facts they post..they continue to go on.

Is there anyone out there with some information? I'm sure that pot's illegal for a reason.

Falstaff · Sep 20, 2003, 04:23 AM

a. it saps the will power and energy of young people in their formative years.
b. it has several components that are harmful and cancer causing.
c. it can cause several kinds of pyschosis, not to include forms of depression.
d. it can adversely affect the physiological state of users, causing disorentation.
c. affects the ability to operate automobiles safely.
d. affects judgement...it is a gateway drug.
e. it can be in an insidous way, addictive and can cause levels of dependency among younger users.
f. affects vision, concentration, heartrate, respiratory rate.
g. can worsen or artificially increase dietary needs.
h. can effect eye and hand coordination, relative to other tasks that require increased attenuation to successfully complete.

Regardless of what kind of drug that an individual uses, dependency and abuse will always have a negative impact on the users health, lifestyle, family, income, criminal record, driving record, group affiliation, community involvement, political concerns, religious beliefs, etc etc.....
Marijuana is considered a useful drug in some circumstances, in some cases, in some instances where it calms the mind, creates euphoria, diables reluctance to accept therapy, creates artificial sense of well being...stimulates some pleasure centers, but the effects are inconsistent, even based on increase THC absorbtion.
potentiates other drugs....
can inhibit the absorbtion of useful drugs for hypertention, glaucoma, sexual dysfunction..pyschotropics..

pww2250 · Sep 23, 2003, 08:12 PM

Im with you dudes, legalizing it would only induce an even greater comatose state, not something our country should aspire to.

~~Luck~~ · Sep 24, 2003, 12:53 AM

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Originally posted by pww2250
Im with you dudes, legalizing it would only induce an even greater comatose state, not something our country should aspire to.

Everytime I say that, this guy keeps saying "Then why is alchol legal? It's just as dangerous"

Smoothdrive · Sep 24, 2003, 11:14 AM

Do you actrually know what you are judging ?

Have you ever tried smoking pot ?

You people make judgement as if it is cocaine, xtc or heroine..it's only pot.

The stuff is even less harmfull than alcohol when you look at it from a health point of view.

It is legal here, none of the doom and gloom that you guys predict has happened here.

I am against legalising hard drugs tough.

Keeping soft drugs illegal is more harmfull for your youngsters imo ..it draws them into the illegal circuit to get it..once that step is taken why not try something stronger..it's available in the same circuit after all.

Al_Vampyre · Sep 24, 2003, 11:30 AM

Yep I'm with Smoothdrive on this one, I don't do any drugs but even I can see that if the cornershop sells pot but doesn't sell cocaine, then pot smokers will not be persuaded by a dealer to try something else that is more addictive and has a higher profit margin for the dealer.

~~Luck~~ · Sep 24, 2003, 11:37 AM

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Originally posted by Smoothdrive
Do you actrually know what you are judging ?

Have you ever tried smoking pot ?

You people make judgement as if it is cocaine, xtc or heroine..it's only pot.

The stuff is even less harmfull than alcohol when you look at it from a health point of view.

It is legal here, none of the doom and gloom that you guys predict has happened here.

I am against legalising hard drugs tough.

Keeping soft drugs illegal is more harmfull for your youngsters imo ..it draws them into the illegal circuit to get it..once that step is taken why not try something stronger..it's available in the same circuit after all.

Umm. I've tried pot. And it honestly made me feel sick. If someone has to rely on any drug, it shouldn't be legalized. Look at how it ruin's people's lives even when it's illegal. Pot is more dangerous than alcohol. Alcohol DOES have bad things to it..but they're all long term. When pot's legalized, it's use will grow more..with this, heart attacks, brain damage, all of this will happen. The reason that pot hasn't had heart attacks is because most people don't use it like they do with cigars or smokes.

~~Luck~~ · Sep 24, 2003, 11:41 AM

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Originally posted by Al_Vampyre
Yep I'm with Smoothdrive on this one, I don't do any drugs but even I can see that if the cornershop sells pot but doesn't sell cocaine, then pot smokers will not be persuaded by a dealer to try something else that is more addictive and has a higher profit margin for the dealer.

Pot ruins lives, I'm 19 years-old..I've seen some of my ex-friends fall into a deep depression because of it. And SURE they defend it and think it should be legalized. You know why? Because it's easier for their habbit. Pot would be used more than any other drug around if it were legalized. I don't want my country falling into some deep depression or some sick nation where everyone thinks it's funny to rely on a drug to get by. Some drugs are fine, coffee..soda, is fine. But when you take something that will eat away at your brain and character..then you have to question this.

Smoothdrive · Sep 24, 2003, 11:55 AM

This may shock you but marihuana is even subsribed as a medicine here..it reliefs pain and relaxes muscles for patients with certain forms of cancer or nerve/muscle deceases.

Alcohol is much worse for your health, especially since it is taken in much highere doses to get a buzz out of it. It is much bigger attack on your body drinking 20 beers than smoking one joint..and the one joint will get you in the same state as drinking 20 beers. But you won't get aggresive and you won't have a hangover from the joint..talk about obvious..do you think the hangover tells you that your body likes alcohol ?

Why legalising pot is good should be easy to figure for Americans actually..remember what happened when alcohol was illegal in the US ?

Making something illegal allways seems to raise the appeal for it, and obtaining it anyway will draw people into illegal places. as said before that is a bigger danger than smoking a joint.

~~Luck~~ · Sep 24, 2003, 12:02 PM

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Originally posted by Smoothdrive
This may shock you but marihuana is even subsribed as a medicine here..it reliefs pain and relaxes muscles for patients with certain forms of cancer or nerve/muscle deceases.

Alcohol is much worse for your health, especially since it is taken in much highere doses to get a buzz out of it. It is much bigger attack on your body drinking 20 beers than smoking one joint..and the one joint will get you in the same state as drinking 20 beers. But you won't get aggresive and you won't have a hangover from the joint..talk about obvious..do you think the hangover tells you that your body likes alcohol ?

Why legalising pot is good should be easy to figure for Americans actually..remember what happened when alcohol was illegal in the US ?

Making something illegal allways seems to raise the appeal for it, and obtaining it anyway will draw people into illegal places. as said before that is a bigger danger than smoking a joint.

Yes, it is..so is RADIATION. Does it make it healthy?

And yes, you take alcohol in much larger doses..because it's cheaper, and legal. Also, most people don't drink to get "drunk".

I can't say I remember when Alcohol was illegal..I'm only 19.

Making something illegal makes people safe..to a degree. Only thing that shouldn't be illegal is freedom of speech.

Also, just ONE joint can give you brain damage. It's happend to people..due to their genetics..one smoke..that's all.

Smoothdrive · Sep 24, 2003, 02:24 PM

That's a fairy tale dude, brain damage from one joint.

Alcohol is more expensive than a joint here..20 beers is looking at 60-80 Dollar at least, 10 Dollar will get you enough to make 3-4 joints here..another advantage of legalisation, price goes down, qualality goes up (may well have been fake/bad stuff in your braindamage story) no need to steal or rob for it.

And legalisation does not make it ok all together..we don't smoke joints at friday afternoon company gatherings or at family birthday parties or things like that, hardly even in bars or clubs (unless you want to and go to the bars and clubs where it is done)

Making it legal does not make it as socially acceptable or integrated as alcohol.

JavaFox · Sep 25, 2003, 05:05 PM

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Originally posted by Smoothdrive
It is legal here, none of the doom and gloom that you guys predict has happened here.

I am against legalising hard drugs tough.

The Netherlands is the world's largest producer of Ecstacy on the face of the earth. I think this is a related fact.

UberLord · Sep 25, 2003, 05:55 PM

If I want to smoke some pot, sniff some speed or shoot some heroin, why should it be illegal? After all, it only affects me.

Why does anyone have the right to say what I can and cannot do to my body? It's mine - no-one elses.

Instead what we need are laws that state what you can and cannot do under the influence of drugs. For example, drinking and driving is illegal after a certain amount (2 units in the UK iirc). Why not have similar laws for drugs?

~~Luck~~ · Sep 25, 2003, 07:11 PM

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Originally posted by Smoothdrive
That's a fairy tale dude, brain damage from one joint.

Alcohol is more expensive than a joint here..20 beers is looking at 60-80 Dollar at least, 10 Dollar will get you enough to make 3-4 joints here..another advantage of legalisation, price goes down, qualality goes up (may well have been fake/bad stuff in your braindamage story) no need to steal or rob for it.

And legalisation does not make it ok all together..we don't smoke joints at friday afternoon company gatherings or at family birthday parties or things like that, hardly even in bars or clubs (unless you want to and go to the bars and clubs where it is done)

Making it legal does not make it as socially acceptable or integrated as alcohol.

I've seen videos on this stuff. It's not a fairy tale.

~~Luck~~ · Sep 25, 2003, 07:13 PM

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Originally posted by UberLord
If I want to smoke some pot, sniff some speed or shoot some heroin, why should it be illegal? After all, it only affects me.

Why does anyone have the right to say what I can and cannot do to my body? It's mine - no-one elses.

Instead what we need are laws that state what you can and cannot do under the influence of drugs. For example, drinking and driving is illegal after a certain amount (2 units in the UK iirc). Why not have similar laws for drugs?

That's like saying "I should be able to commit suicide if I want to!"

Laws are made for when people can not think for themselves. Obviously if you're going to do something that's going to harm you just so you can feel "high" the government has to step in.

~~Luck~~ · Sep 25, 2003, 07:15 PM

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Originally posted by JavaFox
The Netherlands is the world's largest producer of Ecstacy on the face of the earth. I think this is a related fact.

That's pretty sick.

UberLord · Sep 25, 2003, 07:40 PM

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Originally posted by Luck
That's like saying "I should be able to commit suicide if I want to!"

Or like saying "I should be able to drink beer if I want to!"

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Laws are made for when people can not think for themselves. Obviously if you're going to do something that's going to harm you just so you can feel "high" the government has to step in.

Laws are made for when people can not think for themselves. Obviously if you're going to do something that's going to harm you just so you can feel "drunk" the government has to step in.

Your reasoning when applied also applies to the beer which you upload so greatly.
I can think for myself - I also have an IQ of over 120 and I'm a very well paid programmer.
I also choose to smoke pot from time to time.
I also choose not to take heroin or cocaine or others.

And yes, I drink beer from time to time.

I can think for myself - why should someone have to think for me?

And FWIW, over 80% of laws past are to make the rich richer and poor poorer - imo.

UberLord · Sep 25, 2003, 07:42 PM

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Originally posted by Luck
That's pretty sick.

Why?

~~Luck~~ · Sep 25, 2003, 08:42 PM

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Originally posted by UberLord
Or like saying "I should be able to drink beer if I want to!"

Laws are made for when people can not think for themselves. Obviously if you're going to do something that's going to harm you just so you can feel "drunk" the government has to step in.

Your reasoning when applied also applies to the beer which you upload so greatly.
I can think for myself - I also have an IQ of over 120 and I'm a very well paid programmer.
I also choose to smoke pot from time to time.
I also choose not to take heroin or cocaine or others.

And yes, I drink beer from time to time.

I can think for myself - why should someone have to think for me?

And FWIW, over 80% of laws past are to make the rich richer and poor poorer - imo.

"Or like saying "I should be able to drink beer if I want to!"" You drink beer because you like the taste of it, not because you want to get high.

"Your reasoning when applied also applies to the beer which you upload so greatly.
I can think for myself - I also have an IQ of over 120 and I'm a very well paid programmer.
I also choose to smoke pot from time to time.
I also choose not to take heroin or cocaine or others." So why must you take a drug just to make you happier?

"And FWIW, over 80% of laws past are to make the rich richer and poor poorer - imo. " This is incorrect.

~~Luck~~ · Sep 25, 2003, 08:43 PM

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Originally posted by UberLord
Why?

You don't see that as being sick? X is a horrible drug that's used by mostly ravers.

Rasta Monsta · Sep 25, 2003, 08:48 PM

I think we just went through this. . .

The most interesting line of argument, IMO, is the fact that MJ use has decreased in Europe with legalization, and the loss of rebel/illegal appeal that it has for some. Then the prohibitionists say, "Well, that is Europe, we can't compare Europe to the US." Well folks, when legalization goes through in Canada, we will see the same decline in use. What will the prohibitionists say then?

And what about the immense resources used for MJ interdiction? Is our enforcement of a widely ignored law worth the money we spend to enforce it, and incarcerate the convicted? How can it be?

And Jeff, dear lord, if those are criteria for illegalization of prodcuts, it sounds like beer, cigarettes and cheeseburgers ought to be next.

History shows that the government CANNOT effectively regulate illegal substances. . .only LEGAL ones (see, ie, beer, cigarettes, valium, etc). What you want is responsible regulation, not a total ban.

And don't even start with your, "it sends the wrong message, we are endorsing DRUGS!" Guns are legal, is their irresponsible use endorsed? What about cars? Explosives? Tequila?

It just ain't rational.

peace

rasta

UberLord · Sep 25, 2003, 09:05 PM

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Originally posted by Luck
"Or like saying "I should be able to drink beer if I want to!"" You drink beer because you like the taste of it, not because you want to get high.

Thats a silly argument because you're comparing different senses. Taste is one sense whereas getting "high" affects most if not all of your senses.
Besides, a lot of people drink beer ...... to get drunk!

I also happen to like the taste and smell of pot - much more so than nicotine.

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"Your reasoning when applied also applies to the beer which you upload so greatly.
I can think for myself - I also have an IQ of over 120 and I'm a very well paid programmer.
I also choose to smoke pot from time to time.
I also choose not to take heroin or cocaine or others." So why must you take a drug just to make you happier?

Who said I took drugs to make me happy? Not me, thats for sure. I'm just as happy not smoking pot as I'm happy smoking it. I smoke pot because I enjoy smoking pot. Much the same as you probably do what most males (assuming you're male) do first thing in the morning. Scratching my bollox sure makes me happy

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"And FWIW, over 80% of laws past are to make the rich richer and poor poorer - imo. " This is incorrect.

In the western world approximately 95% of the wealth is possessed by approximately 5% of the people. That means, using these same figures, that 95% of the people, the overwhelming majority, possess only 5% of the wealth.

UberLord · Sep 25, 2003, 09:07 PM

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Originally posted by Rasta Monsta
History shows that the government CANNOT effectively regulate illegal substances. . .only LEGAL ones (see, ie, beer, cigarettes, valium, etc). What you want is responsible regulation, not a total ban.

And don't even start with your, "it sends the wrong message, we are endorsing DRUGS!" Guns are legal, is their irresponsible use endorsed? What about cars? Explosives? Tequila?

It just ain't rational.

Thats the most sane and well thought out argument presented here so far

UberLord · Sep 25, 2003, 09:11 PM

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Originally posted by Luck
You don't see that as being sick? X is a horrible drug that's used by mostly ravers.

No I don't see that the fact is Holland is either the largest producer - or importer as it hasn't been proven afaik - of X is sick.

I personally find the law's of some countries that allow people to have guns is sick, but I don't go around going "Dude thats sick" everytime someone says that Americans are gun lovers (broad sweeping statement I know - but what the heck. I'm trying to get a point accross)

Chaos · Sep 25, 2003, 09:21 PM

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Originally posted by UberLord
No I don't see that the fact is Holland is either the largest producer - or importer as it hasn't been proven afaik - of X is sick.

I personally find the law's of some countries that allow people to have guns is sick, but I don't go around going "Dude thats sick" everytime someone says that Americans are gun lovers (broad sweeping statement I know - but what the heck. I'm trying to get a point accross)

I gotta go with UberLord on this one. I know people that have smoked pot on a regular basis for over 20 years and they still manage to maintain a strong family structure....They go to work every day and hold a huge variety of important jobs.....I also know people that drink on a regular basis and on average they show much more damage from their long term consumption than do the ones that like to smoke pot....

I think that in controlled environments that we will be better off in the long term.....Our jails are over crowded due to the high level of "Soft Drug" offenders.....Why ruin some poor kids life with a criminal record because he happened to have a couple joints in his pocket.....damm that's productive.....what's the person going to do after they get out for their possession charge and can't find a job but turn to some other illegal activity to try and support themself.......

I have also worked around the entertainment industry doing live audio in night clubs for Bands and after being in clubs every night for X number of days...months...years....whatever the case may be, I would rather see someone have a puff any day. Often they are even quite entertaining

JavaFox · Sep 25, 2003, 10:00 PM

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Originally posted by Rasta Monsta
The most interesting line of argument, IMO, is the fact that MJ use has decreased in Europe with legalization, and the loss of rebel/illegal appeal that it has for some. Then the prohibitionists say, "Well, that is Europe, we can't compare Europe to the US." Well folks, when legalization goes through in Canada, we will see the same decline in use. What will the prohibitionists say then?

Yeah, except that this isn't true at all -- and it sure wasn't true for America when we tried it. Lifetime use of cannibis in the Netherlands is in fact up -- from 15% to some 44%. And in the mid seventies, when marijuana use was decriminalized in Alaska, we saw an appauling rise in child/teen usage. By 1979, with 11 other states jumping on the marijuana legalization bandwagon, one in two high school seniors said they used pot in the last year (it's much lower now). In fact, in Alask, the child use rate was so high --double the national average-- that Alaskans voted to recriminalize pot.

So don't say that it won't happen, because it already did. Legalizing pot just lets more people smoke it.

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History shows that the government CANNOT effectively regulate illegal substances. . .only LEGAL ones (see, ie, beer, cigarettes, valium, etc). What you want is responsible regulation, not a total ban.

Really? Maybe you're unfamiliar with the morphine addiction epidemic of the 19th Century? During this time both morphine and opium were legal. Is it any suprise, then, that so many Americans were addicted? By 1900, one in 200 Americans was addicted.

So what did we do to solve the problem, Rasta?

Basically, two laws defeated American addiction to opium and morphine. The first was the Pure Food and Drug Act. This law, which we still use today, mandated that food and drugs ought to list their contents. Many Americans soon discovered that a lot of the things they were buying had drugs in them. The second law was the Harrison Act of 1914. This was basically America's first anti-drug law. Enforcement of this law got the number of addicts in American down from 400,000 in 1880 to 60,000 during World War II.

History shows us that drug enforcement as well as drug education can dramatically decrease addiction levels. This is not the falsified history you're talking about, where lax laws mean less use and regulation is impossible. Whenever there are laxer laws, there is more use. Like I said, don't deny that it'll happen, because it already DID happen. America's already tried legalization and it didn't work.

Let's try something else.

JavaFox · Sep 25, 2003, 10:02 PM

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Originally posted by Chaos
I think that in controlled environments that we will be better off in the long term.....Our jails are over crowded due to the high level of "Soft Drug" offenders.....Why ruin some poor kids life with a criminal record because he happened to have a couple joints in his pocket.....damm that's productive.....what's the person going to do after they get out for their possession charge and can't find a job but turn to some other illegal activity to try and support themself.......

First time users very very rarely get jail time in this country.

~~HawK~~ · Sep 25, 2003, 10:12 PM

Sorry Jeff for hijackin your list....one word changed and adding 1 line..
Alcohol should be illegal because-
a. it saps the will power and energy of young people in their formative years.
b. it has several components that are harmful and cancer causing.
c. it can cause several kinds of pyschosis, not to include forms of depression.
d. it can adversely affect the physiological state of users, causing disorentation.
c. affects the ability to operate automobiles safely.
d. affects judgement...it is a gateway drug.
e. it can be in an insidous way, addictive and can cause levels of dependency among younger users.
f. affects vision, concentration, heartrate, respiratory rate.
g. can worsen or artificially increase dietary needs.
h. can effect eye and hand coordination, relative to other tasks that require increased attenuation to successfully complete.
I. it will ulitimate ruining your life , your job, and all that you love.

You know what is funny?
Holland has one of the lowest hard drugs users *percentage wise* in the world and even on pot, there are nomore than there are in other country's.
Most of the drug's that are sold here, is to tourists and foreign H.drug junks.

A soft drug user do not start fights, riads or honk or shout/shoot on the streets, or beat their wife up....there just lame.
while I do not approve of any form of drug, millions have the need for some form of uppers, downers just to keep up, there is an whole industry based on it, called pharmacy.
Harddrug users are just like any other form of dependents, sick people and they need help.
and yes we are the greatest exporters of XTC, but most of those "company's" are not in Dutch "hands".

mike2h · Sep 25, 2003, 10:16 PM

disclaimer- i do not smoke pot or partake of any drugs except alcohol.
i suport the regulation of pot.
by this governments own standards alcohol should be illegal. it is in the same classification as cocaine & heroin. mj is 2 levels below it.
alcohol is many times worse for you than mj is. i am not saying there are no detrimental effects, it is just that there is no comparison between booze & any other recreational drug(possible exception-mescaline) & pot.
mj is the least expensive by far among the recreational drug as far as cost in $ to this country. i am talking insurance, health care, jail time, violence, etc.
legalising pot & selling it at a premium would reduce some crime, stop some people from taking the next 'step' into harder drugs, allow stiffer penalties for illegal use(atf > matf

), cut down on overseas crime lords income, produce jobs, give the farmers something to grow instead of the taxpayers paying them not to grow anything, & give the politicians even more money to waste.
prohibition has already proved the point on most of this.

to me it is a 'no brainer'

seriouisly though, while i have no use for it whatsoever, it IS our all round least harmful recreational drug by far. by all goverment & health guidlines pot should be legal & alcohol should not. making alcohol illegal is not going to happen(thankfully!

). but getting control & regulating the next mosy popular recreational drug should happen. most of the 'anti-pot' laws are a joke anyway.

Rasta Monsta · Sep 25, 2003, 11:21 PM

AshFox, according to THIS STUDY, there seem to be at least some data refuting your claims in re: effect of legalization on use.

And, yes, as an attorney I know about "experts". . .if I can find an expert stating that the moon is rock, you can find one stating it's green cheese.

Oops! Gotta run. . .its almost 4:20!!

rasta

Sep 19, 2003, 10:55 PM	#1
~~Luck~~ I like to whinge Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 820 Rep Power: 0	People who support the legalizing of pot. Ok, I'm not an advocator of this..but I was recently posting on a forum and I went into a thread with pot-heads debating. I'd like to know what's your input on this. First off, I want it to stay illegal. Many have gone as far as to say that "Hey, alchol is legal, why can't pot be?" And even after I drill them with statements that refute these facts they post..they continue to go on. Is there anyone out there with some information? I'm sure that pot's illegal for a reason.

Sep 20, 2003, 04:23 AM	#2
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	marijuana should be illegal because- a. it saps the will power and energy of young people in their formative years. b. it has several components that are harmful and cancer causing. c. it can cause several kinds of pyschosis, not to include forms of depression. d. it can adversely affect the physiological state of users, causing disorentation. c. affects the ability to operate automobiles safely. d. affects judgement...it is a gateway drug. e. it can be in an insidous way, addictive and can cause levels of dependency among younger users. f. affects vision, concentration, heartrate, respiratory rate. g. can worsen or artificially increase dietary needs. h. can effect eye and hand coordination, relative to other tasks that require increased attenuation to successfully complete. Regardless of what kind of drug that an individual uses, dependency and abuse will always have a negative impact on the users health, lifestyle, family, income, criminal record, driving record, group affiliation, community involvement, political concerns, religious beliefs, etc etc..... Marijuana is considered a useful drug in some circumstances, in some cases, in some instances where it calms the mind, creates euphoria, diables reluctance to accept therapy, creates artificial sense of well being...stimulates some pleasure centers, but the effects are inconsistent, even based on increase THC absorbtion. potentiates other drugs.... can inhibit the absorbtion of useful drugs for hypertention, glaucoma, sexual dysfunction..pyschotropics.. __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Sep 24, 2003, 11:14 AM	#5
Smoothdrive Foolish Genius Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 455 Rep Power: 0	Do you actrually know what you are judging ? Have you ever tried smoking pot ? You people make judgement as if it is cocaine, xtc or heroine..it's only pot. The stuff is even less harmfull than alcohol when you look at it from a health point of view. It is legal here, none of the doom and gloom that you guys predict has happened here. I am against legalising hard drugs tough. Keeping soft drugs illegal is more harmfull for your youngsters imo ..it draws them into the illegal circuit to get it..once that step is taken why not try something stronger..it's available in the same circuit after all. __________________ GA-7VRXP, AMD2000+, 256MB PC-2700 DDR, Radeon 8500LE, 2x Maxtor 740 (40GB) stripe set, AGNeovo X-150.

Sep 24, 2003, 11:30 AM	#6
Al_Vampyre HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Scotland Posts: 1,532 Rep Power: 72 System Specs	Yep I'm with Smoothdrive on this one, I don't do any drugs but even I can see that if the cornershop sells pot but doesn't sell cocaine, then pot smokers will not be persuaded by a dealer to try something else that is more addictive and has a higher profit margin for the dealer. __________________ "Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit; wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad" - Brian O'Driscoll - Ireland Rugby Team 2009 Grand Slam winning Captain.

Sep 24, 2003, 11:55 AM	#9
Smoothdrive Foolish Genius Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 455 Rep Power: 0	This may shock you but marihuana is even subsribed as a medicine here..it reliefs pain and relaxes muscles for patients with certain forms of cancer or nerve/muscle deceases. Alcohol is much worse for your health, especially since it is taken in much highere doses to get a buzz out of it. It is much bigger attack on your body drinking 20 beers than smoking one joint..and the one joint will get you in the same state as drinking 20 beers. But you won't get aggresive and you won't have a hangover from the joint..talk about obvious..do you think the hangover tells you that your body likes alcohol ? Why legalising pot is good should be easy to figure for Americans actually..remember what happened when alcohol was illegal in the US ? Making something illegal allways seems to raise the appeal for it, and obtaining it anyway will draw people into illegal places. as said before that is a bigger danger than smoking a joint. __________________ GA-7VRXP, AMD2000+, 256MB PC-2700 DDR, Radeon 8500LE, 2x Maxtor 740 (40GB) stripe set, AGNeovo X-150.

Sep 23, 2003, 08:12 PM	#3
pww2250 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Santa Clara, CA Posts: 6 Rep Power: 0	Im with you dudes, legalizing it would only induce an even greater comatose state, not something our country should aspire to.

Sep 24, 2003, 02:24 PM	#11
Smoothdrive Foolish Genius Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 455 Rep Power: 0	That's a fairy tale dude, brain damage from one joint. Alcohol is more expensive than a joint here..20 beers is looking at 60-80 Dollar at least, 10 Dollar will get you enough to make 3-4 joints here..another advantage of legalisation, price goes down, qualality goes up (may well have been fake/bad stuff in your braindamage story) no need to steal or rob for it. And legalisation does not make it ok all together..we don't smoke joints at friday afternoon company gatherings or at family birthday parties or things like that, hardly even in bars or clubs (unless you want to and go to the bars and clubs where it is done) Making it legal does not make it as socially acceptable or integrated as alcohol. __________________ GA-7VRXP, AMD2000+, 256MB PC-2700 DDR, Radeon 8500LE, 2x Maxtor 740 (40GB) stripe set, AGNeovo X-150.

Sep 25, 2003, 05:55 PM	#13
UberLord A Legend in Underwear Join Date: May 2002 Location: Unknown Posts: 5,255 Rep Power: 0	If I want to smoke some pot, sniff some speed or shoot some heroin, why should it be illegal? After all, it only affects me. Why does anyone have the right to say what I can and cannot do to my body? It's mine - no-one elses. Instead what we need are laws that state what you can and cannot do under the influence of drugs. For example, drinking and driving is illegal after a certain amount (2 units in the UK iirc). Why not have similar laws for drugs? __________________ Gentoo Linux - Developer (baselayout) Read my blog "I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." Stephen Roberts

Sep 25, 2003, 10:12 PM	#28
~~HawK~~ Banned Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 2,092 Rep Power: 0	Defending Holland.... Sorry Jeff for hijackin your list....one word changed and adding 1 line.. Alcohol should be illegal because- a. it saps the will power and energy of young people in their formative years. b. it has several components that are harmful and cancer causing. c. it can cause several kinds of pyschosis, not to include forms of depression. d. it can adversely affect the physiological state of users, causing disorentation. c. affects the ability to operate automobiles safely. d. affects judgement...it is a gateway drug. e. it can be in an insidous way, addictive and can cause levels of dependency among younger users. f. affects vision, concentration, heartrate, respiratory rate. g. can worsen or artificially increase dietary needs. h. can effect eye and hand coordination, relative to other tasks that require increased attenuation to successfully complete. I. it will ulitimate ruining your life , your job, and all that you love. You know what is funny? Holland has one of the lowest hard drugs users percentage wise in the world and even on pot, there are nomore than there are in other country's. Most of the drug's that are sold here, is to tourists and foreign H.drug junks. A soft drug user do not start fights, riads or honk or shout/shoot on the streets, or beat their wife up....there just lame. while I do not approve of any form of drug, millions have the need for some form of uppers, downers just to keep up, there is an whole industry based on it, called pharmacy. Harddrug users are just like any other form of dependents, sick people and they need help. and yes we are the greatest exporters of XTC, but most of those "company's" are not in Dutch "hands".

Sep 25, 2003, 10:16 PM	#29
mike2h DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: norcal Posts: 6,483 Rep Power: 91 System Specs	disclaimer- i do not smoke pot or partake of any drugs except alcohol. i suport the regulation of pot. by this governments own standards alcohol should be illegal. it is in the same classification as cocaine & heroin. mj is 2 levels below it. alcohol is many times worse for you than mj is. i am not saying there are no detrimental effects, it is just that there is no comparison between booze & any other recreational drug(possible exception-mescaline) & pot. mj is the least expensive by far among the recreational drug as far as cost in $ to this country. i am talking insurance, health care, jail time, violence, etc. legalising pot & selling it at a premium would reduce some crime, stop some people from taking the next 'step' into harder drugs, allow stiffer penalties for illegal use(atf > matf ), cut down on overseas crime lords income, produce jobs, give the farmers something to grow instead of the taxpayers paying them not to grow anything, & give the politicians even more money to waste. prohibition has already proved the point on most of this. to me it is a 'no brainer' seriouisly though, while i have no use for it whatsoever, it IS our all round least harmful recreational drug by far. by all goverment & health guidlines pot should be legal & alcohol should not. making alcohol illegal is not going to happen(thankfully!). but getting control & regulating the next mosy popular recreational drug should happen. most of the 'anti-pot' laws are a joke anyway. __________________