digerati

Arnold is in support of same sex marraige and I am in agreement with this. When two people fall in love, they should get married. People is sexless, love is the important part. If you have to think about the sexual life of what goes on with the couple then you're thinking too much into their lives. It bothers me how parents won't think about their daughters sex life, who she's sleeping with, going out with, yet they'll go picket the streets if a gay marraige bill comes up. As if it's somehow more their business then what their daughter is doing.

So Same Sex Marraige, yes or no?

JavaFox

Yes.

Zardon

my opinion ? no. its unnatural, and not a particularly healthy environment for a child. and yes I know me saying that isnt "cool", but I dont agree with it. and people arent sexless, otherwise there would have been adam and adam, if you believe on any level in god the sexes are here for reason. then again im an old fart, I guess in time we wont have sexual organs and will reproduce from a jar.

digerati

That's true, growing up with same sex folks would have some interesting effect on children O.o

JavaFox

Homosexual parents can't have kids; they have to adopt. And I don't think anyone who lives in the US can argue that homosexual parents would be worse than The State.

Dyre Straits

I have to say, No.

There's definitely a reason for the sexes.

Since you asked only for opinions, that's mine.

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digerati

And what do you suggest for the ones born with both sexes? Get with both?

Paladin06

Not that I wish to mix church and state but, same sex marriages is a sin before God and begining of yet another major flaw in the fabric of our society.

As far as CA and the new Gov go, they both can go to hell. I lived there once for about 4 1/2 years as a young soldier ( Ft. Ord, but long since closed). It was a place where I went to court for an open container (12 oz Miller) and the fine was $68.00 back in 1980.

In the same court room was a pot head who paid a fine of $25.00 for just less then an OZ of weed. Now is there something wrong with that picture or what?

I would not go back to that state if it were raining money!!

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Yes. Infact it is allowed here in Canada now. No single person on the face of this planet has the right to judge anothers life. To each there own. If everyone accepted others as equal then we would have perfection.

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Zardon

one woman could break off from her husband and take her kids into a lesbian relationship with her partner. they can also have kids from sperm banks. I can argue forever regarding same sex parents. so many reasons it doesnt work, certainly on "paper" it works. like most things. The old statements of "come on man its 2003 if two people are in love everything works out", etc etc. but dont tell me a child being brought up living with two men or two women is going to turn out normal. granted alot of children with a "conventional" family dont turn out normal either.

Also the state of the country is down to bad parenting regardless of sex, people just dont have the "time" anymore to look after their kids its a selfish world really if you look at it, I just dont think throwing what feels to me to be an unnatural union into the equation will help matters any regardling kids. I know alot of nice gay couples, and they are very good together I just feel a kid needs a mother and a father, its the way we were made.

as you can guess im old fashioned, and yes people can do what they want thats fine. This thread is asking if you agree with it - not if its a perfect world, if it was a perfect world arnie would be making movies not running california.

digerati

Many good points. When my parents were together, when I was with one of them that was hell. I can honestly say the things that raised me the most in life were the TV (not cable, local so all good loving shows) and my computer. I don't support bad parents, and I have a sever problem with a woman who has a kid then deposits it in daycare all day while she goes to work. But from my experience with gays, they seem loving and nurturing, usually trying to do the opposite of what happened to them. Which is something seldom I find in most of my straight friends parents. Is it like this in other countries? Most of my friends run around with no leash, cuss back at their parents and just do whatever they want. The parents drop them off to school and expect the teachers to raise their kids.

Dyre Straits

Your question was restricted to 'same sex marriage'.

Since I'm completely for monogamy in marriage, this would rule out the possibility of being with both.

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digerati

But you restricted your answer to the difference being in the sexes, I'm trying to clarify on what you would do for those who are neither female nor male but are both. I liked Zardon's post a lot because he adressed things that would present LOTS of problems. Especially for parenting, but you left yours to one or the other, but what about those who are born in the middle?

Falstaff

to be fair, I come from a christian background and my faith embraces everyone.I cannot abide the thought of same sex marriages, based on my bible, my knowlege and my experience. we are not bonobo chimps, we are human beings.
you can call same sex marriages social contracts but hey cannot be construed as nothing more than that...
Our culture has had thousands of years of experience with sexual tolerance, and nothing is going to change my views

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FuNsTeR

same sex marriage = Gross pass the sick bag

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Falstaff

You want to open a bigger can of worms...I am sick and tired of the gay agenda changing laws and modifying our school curriculem. My faith teachs a certain amount of tolerance for others but there must be a line. When someones sexual agenda is more important politically than school lunches and taxes then things have gotten too far...If you tell me your gay I say to you...WHO CARES.., live and live..but quit injecting the arguments and subtext into our laws and schools, I wont ask and I hope you wont tell..

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tek

Revolution?
Reproduction?
ELIMINATING AIDS.

Ever thought of that? We are trying to make the world better, not terminate all life.

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digerati

Haha. Jeff has a good eye. Yeah this happens at our school. A lot more school funds are going to "clubs" like the Gay Straight Alliance club at our school who get their food and stuff fully paid for just cause the members are gay. What bothers me is people who are like "We want equal rights like the rest of you...BUT WE'RE GAY!! We're the same as you...BUT WE'RE GAY!! We want more or modified rights...CAUSE WE'RE GAY!!"

HsuGotaQ

Harsh quotes mate. Here's my go on your points

Revolution
Off context completely or maybe you need to justify exactly what you mean by this.

Reproduction
In some way, I find the gay marriage thing something that may be usefull. We know that society at the moment is reproducing at a faster rate than parasites (hell... that's our second nature). So in certain and most cases, gay couples don't have/wan't children. In some situations, I'd rather not see a heterosexual couples have kids because these parents suck at parenting. The divorces alone are corrupting our youth of the original "reasons", "teachings" and "meanings" of what a family is.

Eliminating aids
I got to admit that a lot of gays have created the first cycle of "infectation" of the aids virus in north america and europe, but after loosing a friend that was heterosexual to aids pretty much turns this old saying around pretty damn fast. Again, what to blame in this situation... it was a gay problem (not wholy because of the links of the aids origins that come from Africa), but why are our young ones (and us) acting like idiots and scr*wing everybody left to right without proper protection. I mean you are just as responsible as any other that has aids or not.

Back to the actual subject. Hell if gay couples want marriages, then let them have what they want without fighting stupidly about it. The less we fight about a subject, the less certain group of individuals get their "special person" / "minority" favoritisms.

Dude... you just did mix church and state. Anyway, no comment because I really don't want this post to become a GAY / CHURCH deal. Because it would never end.

Smoothdrive

What is marriage anyway these days..only use it has is that everything is taken care of where it comes to financial stuff without the hasle of contracts, wills etc.

Why should that ease only be offered to heterosexuals ?

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digerati

Eliminating aids? Well then lets put a ban from all people coming here from Africa, outlaw marraiges for blacks since their race has the number one spreading rate. (Last time I heard anyways)

Vengeance

I have to say "No". Personally I don't care what two people do in there private lives.
But on the same hand marriage is for a man and a woman, As is having kids and raising them.
I'm not saying Gay's (Men or women) Cant raise a child and do it well. But......I don't know..I don't feel it's right.

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HsuGotaQ

This is where I really must agree (well partially) with you vengeance. A kid does or at least should have parenting from both male and female counterparts. Both have a vision completely different from one and the other and to me seems to help open up more or different ways of thinking towards society.

I believe however in one circomstance where the gay couple would actually be better at parenting, when compared to a single mother or single father. In these cases, the kid really has less contact with his parents based on the fact that most single mothers (and very few single fathers) must work a lot more to make money to feed the family. With two parents, either gay or heterosexual, there is always a higher chance (not necessarily) that there is a parent there at home that can help or be with the kid.

Luck

No, because first of all..we're on this earth JUST to pass on our genes. If you're not in the most important thing for the advancement of the human species, you're useless.

Luck

Putting this stuff on the kids is wrong, in my opinion.

Kids will grow up with psychological problems. You know, they do say that part of homosexuality is reflected on how you're influenced at a young age.

Warpy

Well whether you believe in the bible or not - the principals of human existence have shown to mankind that man and woman works, if we where all homosexual there would be a rather big problem - not only with disease and scum, but the minds of our younger generation - our kids. If i had children I could honestly say that i would prefer them to grow up in a world where they choose to live and marry someone from the opposite sex, not sit on the couch and engage in sexual activities with another man or woman because it feels good or socoety says its "cool"or what ever the reasons are..

Men and women were both made so that they could live together and bring up a family. Having a Man love another man - adopt a child and try and bring it up in an environment where there is no female influences between the parents apart from one of the males actin like a puff isn’t really ideal. It is not a natural - it wasn’t the way that things were intended otherwise nature would fail to produce and we would all die.

Just because a man loves another man doesn’t give him the excuse to promote what is not "normal" and if it were normal we would have been created Man and Man or woman and woman- quite logical really. For people to please themselves and introduce vile behaviour into the minds of kids by saying that "its cool", it's ok for another male to sit on the couch and sux his "toe" is totally pathetic and if people are in favour of this view then all I can say is that our world has dropped in moral behaviour and what chance do our kids have of knowing what is right and wrong.

I'm sure we would all be most unimpressed if our son turned around to us one day and said "Hey dad, that hicki is from my boyfriend - so dont be alarmed -we are kinda sleep together, but its ok coz we always use a condom when we engage in anything oral".

You tell me your be in favour of that! - Coz thats what they do.

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digerati

The whole nature and natural thing is begining to bother me...I don't think nature intended us to destroy everything and build sky scrapers and burn plant life all over the world, or pollute the air and waters with toxins, or even use computers to post opinions all over the world for people to see on message boards, or have nuclear weapons. So much is not natural but is accepted for it's "necessity" And either way, if my daughter said she had a hicki from her boyfriend and she gave him head I wouldn't approve. And if it was with another girl I wouldn't approve either. Same goes for my son. We aren't here to promote gayness. But let's face it, some people it's a preference, sure gay guys could have sex with girls but they wouldn't prefer it. Just like you wouldn't prefer having sex with a 15 year old girl and marrying her if you were in your 20s or 30s which was done throughout most of history. I don't know what you're trying to prove, but I don't think that their choice to do what they do in closed doors is "vile". If I see two people making love in public, gay or straight it's wrong and vile, no questions asked. And if you want to talk about nature, didn't nature create aids to begin with? Which is causing us to die anyways?

tek

You all have good points, but plain out NO, as Z said.. its unnatural.

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No, it should be union. A marriage is only if you produce children. I dont object to people livin together and such, but it just wouldnt be marriage with homosexuals.

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no.

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