George Bush

FuNsTeR · Nov 14, 2003, 04:47 PM

.... not wanted in the UK by the majority of the public as they believe he is causing more problems than he is solving

large Trade tarrifs looming for the US also for their outragous tarrifs on Steel imposed on Eu nations ... the gloves are off ... the USA cannot do as it pleases and get away with it .... just watch US companies take a hit when their commodities are targeted by extremley high charges

all Bush's own doing

JavaFox · Nov 14, 2003, 04:49 PM

I for one hope to see our tariffs abandoned. But maybe Europe can reciprocate by ending its illegal embargo of genetically modified produce.

FuNsTeR · Nov 14, 2003, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JavaFox
I for one hope to see our tariffs abandoned. But maybe Europe can reciprocate by ending its illegal embargo of genetically modified produce.

won't happen Java , European people do not want GM foods at any costs ... that is the only thing we will not stomach ... is our food to be modified in anyway

UberLord · Nov 14, 2003, 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JavaFox
I for one hope to see our tariffs abandoned. But maybe Europe can reciprocate by ending its illegal embargo of genetically modified produce.

I for one welcome this as long as every county in everyone EU country bans GM produce - in the same way several US states do.

Hence ending the illegal embargo whilst technically being illegal to sell.

Thus everyone is happy

JavaFox · Nov 14, 2003, 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by FuNsTeR
won't happen Java , European people do not want GM foods at any costs ... that is the only thing we will not stomach ... is our food to be modified in anyway

Sounds extraordinarily fair! "End your taxes on our steel, but we won't end our ban on your produce!"

UberLord · Nov 14, 2003, 05:21 PM

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Originally posted by JavaFox
Sounds extraordinarily fair! "End your taxes on our steel, but we won't end our ban on your produce!"

Appels vs oranges

You don't eat or drink steel.

JavaFox · Nov 14, 2003, 05:42 PM

Yes, but you trade both of them, don't you?

Actually, you're right, it is a case of apples and oranges, considering the US has implemented tarrifs (taxes) whereas the EU has implemented a full-out embargo.

UberLord · Nov 14, 2003, 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JavaFox
Actually, you're right, it is a case of apples and oranges, considering the US has implemented tarrifs (taxes) whereas the EU has implemented a full-out embargo.

Speaking of illegal embargos ...

JavaFox · Nov 14, 2003, 06:36 PM

Totally, totally, irrelevant, and by no standard can our embargo of Cuba be considered illegal. The EU's embargo, on the other hand, is clearly illegal by WTO standards.

But it's a lot easier to point out faults of other countries than to actually buckle down and defend your own, isn't it?

JavaFox · Nov 14, 2003, 07:04 PM

Please keep the garbage posts in the Flame Warzone

PoopyTheJ · Nov 14, 2003, 07:10 PM

No garbage, just sorta wondering how you can blindly defend the embargo of Cuba as legitamita but another soveriegn nation cannot have an embargo of the US. Patriotism does not mean blind unquestioning alliegence. Hell, if I could embargo genetically modified foods I would! Whats the problem with not buying GM garbage which destroys crops, takes over natural crops areas, has unknown consequences? The only thing selling GM would help is the huge agro businesses certainly not you and me. Bush is a crook and a swindler. He deserves prison time for numerous activities.

JavaFox · Nov 14, 2003, 09:04 PM

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Originally posted by gaborn415
No garbage, just sorta wondering how you can blindly defend the embargo of Cuba as legitamita but another soveriegn nation cannot have an embargo of the US.

We embargo Cuba because we want their government to fail. It's antiquated, and it may even be unecessary. But it bears no resemblance to the EU's ban on GMO, and if you would care to become familiar with the rules dictated by the World Trade Organization vis a vis embargos, you'd know exactly why they are illegal.

TonyMonTana · Nov 14, 2003, 09:23 PM

Blair needs to stop listening to bush or he will find his next election will flop.
Were sick of bush here and the protest's before the war show this, we dont agree with his lies on war, he lied to get are soliders in iraq and dragged blair with him, now the quiestion about where the WMD's are is coming to the surface and there are no responses coming from blair or bush, why? cus all they do is lie and they know there are no wmd in iraq, with all USA's satalites and people on the ground and still they find 0.I dont trust US and feel this was all about securing americas fuel of the future, and britian were americas puppydog helping to spread the lies about iraq to convince europe to go along with bush.
I feel we have been taking for a ride, and its about to get real bumpy.
God speed to all uk armed forces, bring are boys home.

Tony.

PoopyTheJ · Nov 14, 2003, 10:45 PM

The WTO? Oh yeah I really care what some globalist elitist bunch of wanna be slaveowners declare is legal or not. All the WTO's laws are illegal vis a vis the Constitution of The USA. Perhaps if you'd care to become familiar with the constitution you'd see that embargoes/ tarriffs are perfectly reasonable and legal means of protective trade. Something our egalitarian leaders wouldn't or couldn't care less about.

Esaz666 · Nov 15, 2003, 11:40 PM

if I was bush I'd plant some of my own WMD's and blame it on saddam.

p0rChM0nK3y · Nov 16, 2003, 01:20 AM

Ignorance is bliss, eh TonyMonTana?

Personally I take offense when you people say Bush lied because he didn't. A memo that just surfaced today links alqueda to Saddam which is good enough for most fair minded people. TonyMonTana, i know you're gonna complain but you dont represent america in anyway shape or form so please keep it to yourself.

ToshiroOC · Nov 16, 2003, 01:26 AM

Could you provide sources for this claim of yours, porchmonkey? I would be quite interested to see a memo suddenly surfacing linking al qaeda to Saddam. If you can, link from reputable news sources. Also, I see no reason to ban GM imports in Europe so long as the food is guaranteed to not spread (e.g. all seeds/grain are sterile) and are very clearly marked as genetically modified food. Why not let your own citizens choose whether or not they wish to eat the GM foods?

p0rChM0nK3y · Nov 16, 2003, 01:31 AM

It was on fox news channel and MSNBC all of today. Turn on the tub and see for yourself.

or you can read about it hear

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,103163,00.html

TonyMonTana · Nov 16, 2003, 02:10 AM

Listen mate, forget memos ok, if there are WMD's in Iraq then please show us.
Bush wants us to think that after all these years (since 1990) America has been watching Iraq from space, from the ground from everywhere.There is no chance that they could of developed any site to construct WMD without USA knowing about it, not only that but it they knew they had these weapons and where they were then how the hell did the Iraq's move all these tons and tons of biological agents and other WMD material without the American admin knowing where they moved them to?
At the end of the day its been a while now and i accept Iraq is a huge area of land to search but they must of had some idea of where the WMD were being kept.So why cant they find them? They cant find them because saddam was bluffing about his WMD to keep bush at bay for as long as possible, but in the end bush needed to remove saddam and knowing saddam diddnt have WMD he played along with saddam's line, he knew saddam would not deny having weapons, this made his job of convincing the westernworld that saddam was going to use WMD and could use them within (45 min's)<lmfao.
This time next year or maybe this time next decade, will you still think bush was telling you the truth when they still aint found nothing but a old lorry trailer?
One more thing, if you knew anything about biological weapons your would know that when there made they leave behind alot of waste, this stuff is not easy to dispose of and leaves alot of evidence behind.How is it that with all americas incredible equipment they cant trace anything thats worth being reported?
Maybe as you have seen, the only stuff there find will be what was left over from 1990.

TonyMonTana · Nov 16, 2003, 02:25 AM

LMFAO!

I have just read your post

"A memo that just surfaced today links alqueda to Saddam which is good enough for most fair minded people."

Ok, now he is linked to Alqueda, this means that it was ok to drop tons and tons of bombs on a city full of people?
If we attacked every country that had leaders that we THINK are linked to terrist groups then we would be at war with alot of countrys.America can wave its finger at countrys and say there surporting terrist's and we all go along?
Why has Bush done a big fat zero when it comes to N'Korea? they pose a much deeper and real threat than saddam ever did, but America/Bush seem to be happy sorting it out round a table than using bombs.
So i ask, why could he not have gone this route with Saddam?

p0rChM0nK3y · Nov 16, 2003, 02:25 AM

"Listen mate, forget memos ok"

That's all i read of your post because the rest is a waste of time. You have already made up your mind and nothing i say can change it.

Now to respond to your N. Korea post.

You're absolutely right, N. Korea does pose a big threat. It's an enemy we know very little about. Do you propose a war with N. Korea, it sure seems like you are. What Bush is doing now is correct. Don't sign any of their fake piece treaties and keep the pressure on them. In time we will see what needs to be done, but it's too early to tell.

Common Sense lacks with the liberals i guess.

TonyMonTana · Nov 16, 2003, 02:30 AM

No my friend, i was open minded before the war but now this far on and nothing! not a single bit of hardcore proof.
I have made my mind up mate, it sounds like bush has made yours up to.

p0rChM0nK3y · Nov 16, 2003, 02:32 AM

You focus on one of the reasons for going to war and not all of the others? It's clear you are not open minded and I find it funny you try to speak for America when you live in England. I'd like to go back to the good ol' Churchill days were the English people actaully had spines.

TonyMonTana · Nov 16, 2003, 02:33 AM

Ok, i here what your saying, i also agree bush is right the way he is dealing with N.Korea, after all they have WMD right? This would be a bad move.
So if this is the case why was it a good move to attack Iraq who also have Cough! cough! WMD....?

p0rChM0nK3y · Nov 16, 2003, 02:35 AM

Because Iraq didn't Have nuclear weapons (yet). Once again, common sense.

TonyMonTana · Nov 16, 2003, 02:36 AM

How am i speaking for America? im speaking for the many people in this country (uK) that have family and freinds fighting a war most of the people here never wanted? We had over a millon people march against this war in london, that were the people that could make it, there would of been much more and now surport for the war here is at a all time low, untill something is found it will stay that way and unlike Bush, Blair could lose next election over this.
So get it right.

TonyMonTana · Nov 16, 2003, 02:38 AM

Oh so cus Iraq only had these nasty nasty bioweapons that america spoke of all the time its ok to attack them? it matter none if he uses it against his own people again? You tell me, whats different?

The_Neon_Cowboy · Nov 16, 2003, 02:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by FuNsTeR
won't happen Java , European people do not want GM foods at any costs ... that is the only thing we will not stomach ... is our food to be modified in anyway

so everything must be organic then right?

Then I hope you guys don’t use any chemicals or unnatural fertilizers. Also, eat nothing that’s the result of a hybrid?. becouse thier modified and/or effected @ the cellular/gentic level.
(by the way europe is loaded with useing hybrids)

weather it in a lab or not is irrelavent the effects are same... unnatural plant/unnatrual fruit

TonyMonTana · Nov 16, 2003, 02:45 AM

"I'd like to go back to the good ol' Churchill days were the English people actaully had spines."

You want to say that to are lads that are fighting "YOUR" war?
We have spines my friend, your country fell apart after that sick shit attacked on 9/11.
Us spineless english have put up with many years of terrist attacks and got on with it.Hows that spineless?
You need to think through your words my friend.

mainman · Nov 16, 2003, 02:47 AM

Well in my opinion i think americans gotta open their eyes and minds cuz Bush is full of sh*t, he lost this war in iraque and now he wants to give the power back to iraq cuz everyday in iraq an american dies. Didnt you learn with vietnam?? Is oil more important than an american life?? And dont give me the terrist bull sh*t, wheres the chemical weapens??? Dont get me wrong i think America is a great country the problem is you got a sh*** president. This is just my opinion.

Nov 14, 2003, 04:47 PM	#1
FuNsTeR Caledonian and Proud Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Darkest Ayrshire Posts: 1,305 Rep Power: 88 System Specs	George Bush .... not wanted in the UK by the majority of the public as they believe he is causing more problems than he is solving large Trade tarrifs looming for the US also for their outragous tarrifs on Steel imposed on Eu nations ... the gloves are off ... the USA cannot do as it pleases and get away with it .... just watch US companies take a hit when their commodities are targeted by extremley high charges all Bush's own doing __________________ "They say when you play a Microsoft CD backwards you can hear satanic messages ..... but that's nothing, if you play it forward it will install Windows"

Nov 14, 2003, 07:10 PM	#11
PoopyTheJ DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,588 Rep Power: 66	No garbage, just sorta wondering how you can blindly defend the embargo of Cuba as legitamita but another soveriegn nation cannot have an embargo of the US. Patriotism does not mean blind unquestioning alliegence. Hell, if I could embargo genetically modified foods I would! Whats the problem with not buying GM garbage which destroys crops, takes over natural crops areas, has unknown consequences? The only thing selling GM would help is the huge agro businesses certainly not you and me. Bush is a crook and a swindler. He deserves prison time for numerous activities. __________________ [COLOR=Blue]“Alright boys, let’s start her up and see why she doesn’t work.” - John Fritz "I aim to misbehave" Malcolm Reynolds ATI Catalyst Beta Tester[/COLOR]

Nov 14, 2003, 10:45 PM	#14
PoopyTheJ DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,588 Rep Power: 66	The WTO? Oh yeah I really care what some globalist elitist bunch of wanna be slaveowners declare is legal or not. All the WTO's laws are illegal vis a vis the Constitution of The USA. Perhaps if you'd care to become familiar with the constitution you'd see that embargoes/ tarriffs are perfectly reasonable and legal means of protective trade. Something our egalitarian leaders wouldn't or couldn't care less about. __________________ [COLOR=Blue]“Alright boys, let’s start her up and see why she doesn’t work.” - John Fritz "I aim to misbehave" Malcolm Reynolds ATI Catalyst Beta Tester[/COLOR]

Nov 16, 2003, 01:20 AM	#16
p0rChM0nK3y DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Oceanside, CA Posts: 179 Rep Power: 0	Ignorance is bliss, eh TonyMonTana? Personally I take offense when you people say Bush lied because he didn't. A memo that just surfaced today links alqueda to Saddam which is good enough for most fair minded people. TonyMonTana, i know you're gonna complain but you dont represent america in anyway shape or form so please keep it to yourself. __________________ Intel Pentium 4c 2.6 @ 3.1ghz (27c idle, 34c load) Asus P4P800 Corsair XMS 2x512mb DDR400 Maxtor MaXline III 250gb SATA150 Plextor DVD-RW PX-716A Samsung Syncmaster 17" Antec Sonata II w/ Antec SmartPower 2.0 Windows XP Pro Last edited by p0rChM0nK3y; Nov 16, 2003 at 01:32 AM.

Nov 16, 2003, 01:26 AM	#17
ToshiroOC Unbiased. Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 4,812 Rep Power: 0	Could you provide sources for this claim of yours, porchmonkey? I would be quite interested to see a memo suddenly surfacing linking al qaeda to Saddam. If you can, link from reputable news sources. Also, I see no reason to ban GM imports in Europe so long as the food is guaranteed to not spread (e.g. all seeds/grain are sterile) and are very clearly marked as genetically modified food. Why not let your own citizens choose whether or not they wish to eat the GM foods? __________________ [img][/img] [color=White]Peace be with you, Joe.[/color] Driverheaven Staff Member (Supermoderator)

Nov 14, 2003, 04:49 PM	#2
JavaFox E Pluribus Unum Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,203 Rep Power: 0	I for one hope to see our tariffs abandoned. But maybe Europe can reciprocate by ending its illegal embargo of genetically modified produce.

Nov 14, 2003, 05:42 PM	#7
JavaFox E Pluribus Unum Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,203 Rep Power: 0	Yes, but you trade both of them, don't you? Actually, you're right, it is a case of apples and oranges, considering the US has implemented tarrifs (taxes) whereas the EU has implemented a full-out embargo.

Nov 14, 2003, 06:36 PM	#9
JavaFox E Pluribus Unum Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,203 Rep Power: 0	Totally, totally, irrelevant, and by no standard can our embargo of Cuba be considered illegal. The EU's embargo, on the other hand, is clearly illegal by WTO standards. But it's a lot easier to point out faults of other countries than to actually buckle down and defend your own, isn't it?

Nov 14, 2003, 07:04 PM	#10
JavaFox E Pluribus Unum Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,203 Rep Power: 0	Please keep the garbage posts in the Flame Warzone

Nov 14, 2003, 09:23 PM	#13
TonyMonTana I wish i was a tree....... Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: uk..Birmingham Posts: 199 Rep Power: 0	Blair needs to stop listening to bush or he will find his next election will flop. Were sick of bush here and the protest's before the war show this, we dont agree with his lies on war, he lied to get are soliders in iraq and dragged blair with him, now the quiestion about where the WMD's are is coming to the surface and there are no responses coming from blair or bush, why? cus all they do is lie and they know there are no wmd in iraq, with all USA's satalites and people on the ground and still they find 0.I dont trust US and feel this was all about securing americas fuel of the future, and britian were americas puppydog helping to spread the lies about iraq to convince europe to go along with bush. I feel we have been taking for a ride, and its about to get real bumpy. God speed to all uk armed forces, bring are boys home. Tony.

Nov 15, 2003, 11:40 PM	#15
Esaz666 BeardHeaven Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Uk,Earth,Universe,3rd dimention Posts: 298 Rep Power: 59	if I was bush I'd plant some of my own WMD's and blame it on saddam.

Nov 16, 2003, 01:31 AM	#18
p0rChM0nK3y DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Oceanside, CA Posts: 179 Rep Power: 0	It was on fox news channel and MSNBC all of today. Turn on the tub and see for yourself. or you can read about it hear http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,103163,00.html __________________ Intel Pentium 4c 2.6 @ 3.1ghz (27c idle, 34c load) Asus P4P800 Corsair XMS 2x512mb DDR400 Maxtor MaXline III 250gb SATA150 Plextor DVD-RW PX-716A Samsung Syncmaster 17" Antec Sonata II w/ Antec SmartPower 2.0 Windows XP Pro

Nov 16, 2003, 02:10 AM	#19
TonyMonTana I wish i was a tree....... Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: uk..Birmingham Posts: 199 Rep Power: 0	Listen mate, forget memos ok, if there are WMD's in Iraq then please show us. Bush wants us to think that after all these years (since 1990) America has been watching Iraq from space, from the ground from everywhere.There is no chance that they could of developed any site to construct WMD without USA knowing about it, not only that but it they knew they had these weapons and where they were then how the hell did the Iraq's move all these tons and tons of biological agents and other WMD material without the American admin knowing where they moved them to? At the end of the day its been a while now and i accept Iraq is a huge area of land to search but they must of had some idea of where the WMD were being kept.So why cant they find them? They cant find them because saddam was bluffing about his WMD to keep bush at bay for as long as possible, but in the end bush needed to remove saddam and knowing saddam diddnt have WMD he played along with saddam's line, he knew saddam would not deny having weapons, this made his job of convincing the westernworld that saddam was going to use WMD and could use them within (45 min's)<lmfao. This time next year or maybe this time next decade, will you still think bush was telling you the truth when they still aint found nothing but a old lorry trailer? One more thing, if you knew anything about biological weapons your would know that when there made they leave behind alot of waste, this stuff is not easy to dispose of and leaves alot of evidence behind.How is it that with all americas incredible equipment they cant trace anything thats worth being reported? Maybe as you have seen, the only stuff there find will be what was left over from 1990.

Nov 16, 2003, 02:25 AM	#20
TonyMonTana I wish i was a tree....... Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: uk..Birmingham Posts: 199 Rep Power: 0	LMFAO! I have just read your post "A memo that just surfaced today links alqueda to Saddam which is good enough for most fair minded people." Ok, now he is linked to Alqueda, this means that it was ok to drop tons and tons of bombs on a city full of people? If we attacked every country that had leaders that we THINK are linked to terrist groups then we would be at war with alot of countrys.America can wave its finger at countrys and say there surporting terrist's and we all go along? Why has Bush done a big fat zero when it comes to N'Korea? they pose a much deeper and real threat than saddam ever did, but America/Bush seem to be happy sorting it out round a table than using bombs. So i ask, why could he not have gone this route with Saddam?

Nov 16, 2003, 02:30 AM	#22
TonyMonTana I wish i was a tree....... Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: uk..Birmingham Posts: 199 Rep Power: 0	No my friend, i was open minded before the war but now this far on and nothing! not a single bit of hardcore proof. I have made my mind up mate, it sounds like bush has made yours up to.

Nov 16, 2003, 02:32 AM	#23
p0rChM0nK3y DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Oceanside, CA Posts: 179 Rep Power: 0	You focus on one of the reasons for going to war and not all of the others? It's clear you are not open minded and I find it funny you try to speak for America when you live in England. I'd like to go back to the good ol' Churchill days were the English people actaully had spines. __________________ Intel Pentium 4c 2.6 @ 3.1ghz (27c idle, 34c load) Asus P4P800 Corsair XMS 2x512mb DDR400 Maxtor MaXline III 250gb SATA150 Plextor DVD-RW PX-716A Samsung Syncmaster 17" Antec Sonata II w/ Antec SmartPower 2.0 Windows XP Pro

Nov 16, 2003, 02:33 AM	#24
TonyMonTana I wish i was a tree....... Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: uk..Birmingham Posts: 199 Rep Power: 0	Ok, i here what your saying, i also agree bush is right the way he is dealing with N.Korea, after all they have WMD right? This would be a bad move. So if this is the case why was it a good move to attack Iraq who also have Cough! cough! WMD....?

Nov 16, 2003, 02:35 AM	#25
p0rChM0nK3y DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Oceanside, CA Posts: 179 Rep Power: 0	Because Iraq didn't Have nuclear weapons (yet). Once again, common sense. __________________ Intel Pentium 4c 2.6 @ 3.1ghz (27c idle, 34c load) Asus P4P800 Corsair XMS 2x512mb DDR400 Maxtor MaXline III 250gb SATA150 Plextor DVD-RW PX-716A Samsung Syncmaster 17" Antec Sonata II w/ Antec SmartPower 2.0 Windows XP Pro

Nov 16, 2003, 02:36 AM	#26
TonyMonTana I wish i was a tree....... Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: uk..Birmingham Posts: 199 Rep Power: 0	How am i speaking for America? im speaking for the many people in this country (uK) that have family and freinds fighting a war most of the people here never wanted? We had over a millon people march against this war in london, that were the people that could make it, there would of been much more and now surport for the war here is at a all time low, untill something is found it will stay that way and unlike Bush, Blair could lose next election over this. So get it right.

Nov 16, 2003, 02:38 AM	#27
TonyMonTana I wish i was a tree....... Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: uk..Birmingham Posts: 199 Rep Power: 0	Oh so cus Iraq only had these nasty nasty bioweapons that america spoke of all the time its ok to attack them? it matter none if he uses it against his own people again? You tell me, whats different?

Nov 16, 2003, 02:45 AM	#29
TonyMonTana I wish i was a tree....... Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: uk..Birmingham Posts: 199 Rep Power: 0	"I'd like to go back to the good ol' Churchill days were the English people actaully had spines." You want to say that to are lads that are fighting "YOUR" war? We have spines my friend, your country fell apart after that sick shit attacked on 9/11. Us spineless english have put up with many years of terrist attacks and got on with it.Hows that spineless? You need to think through your words my friend.

Nov 16, 2003, 02:47 AM	#30
mainman Mr. Nobody Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: OmniPresent Nightwatcher Posts: 5,961 Rep Power: 71	Well in my opinion i think americans gotta open their eyes and minds cuz Bush is full of sht, he lost this war in iraque and now he wants to give the power back to iraq cuz everyday in iraq an american dies. Didnt you learn with vietnam?? Is oil more important than an american life?? And dont give me the terrist bull sht, wheres the chemical weapens??? Dont get me wrong i think America is a great country the problem is you got a sh*** president. This is just my opinion. __________________