Maiky

Have you seen any European opinion against it? always the same again and the same again and the same again. Here we, or me or he or it or whatever you want are talking about a political debate not grammar. If you want to be against me because you havent anything better to do, please go to flame warzone. Anyway i dont want to argue again with you, it makes me sleep.

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digerati

I have many relatives in France who actually support the war. So please, shut the hell up.

@/2ct!<

Its impossible for 100% of people anywhere to agree on anything, antiwar may be majority in Europe but certainly not exclusive.

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BluntmaN

War has always been the driving force behind human development but in the old days War was the last resort and 90% of the people with you should agree otherwise you ll lose due to low morale in battle and at home. Nowadays War is like the arena was to the Romans get a bunch of slaves (Muslims are good this season) and kill them so that the rednecks back home can sit in their trailor eating a burger waving a flag instead of wontering why they can't go to a doctor when they are dying. Nowadays we lie about the reason behind war so openly that it has left me wontering.
Nowadays we have people with high IQs (I am not talking about the Boy King Bush) openly saying that Iraq Oil (the cheapest Oil in the world) was not the reason for this war.
War is ok if a country is starving and countries around them are eating caviar but USA is the wealthiest country in the world and they attack the poorest countries in the world. Now this is f*cked up can they not pick at countries their own size? Are they just a bunch of cowards?

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p0rChM0nK3y

It's funny how these left-wing radicals resort to name calling, I.E. mainman. You obviously have nothing important to add so just stop. You look like a fool.


Also, i love how these people (although they dont act like it) bash American but what they don't understand is, they wouldn't be around without us. Think back in history now. Cold War, WW1, WWII.

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Not you, all you need to worry about is we're to find your next meal. (I.E. dog)

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eyeguy616

Don't you realize that Bush has been stating our reasons for what, since this whole idea and "rush to war" started? And please, don't think what the media is saying is what Bush said. They know how to spin things negatively to get viewers or becuase it's popular. Happens in the US also, so don't feel too bad. Look in my sources thread (stickied) and take a look at some of the sites listed (especially those I posted in the my most recent post in it). If you're not willing to put in the time to read what's there (and it'll take your time), you're only making yourself look uninformed and unworthy of debate.

Another thing, a lot of the posters from Europe and that part of the globe don't really understand what it is to be American and why being called a cowboy is a complement. Go here to be enlightened.
~eyeguy616

digerati

F^ck off and die?

Btw, I might be going to Paris this christmas. My moms sister lives there and wants me to go there. You know? One of the French who supports the war that you earlier said didn't exist.

Maiky

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kinetic

I know you guys are never going to see eye to eye but please respect this forum for what it is, a 'Debate' forum. It is not the 'Flame Warzone' although lately members have been more respectful in there!

Any direct personal insults will be removed.

Thank you.

Kinetic: Supermoderator.

digerati

This is begining to bother me. It isn't even about seeing eye to eye. Maiky even proved he's wrong doesn't care, and then criticizes others. If a person is proved wrong or is shown something they didn't know before (like with GOG, much respect to you) then they should do something instead of brush it off like this guy is doing. You should have not have a person debate when he's so one sided even people who have the same opinion have a problem with him.

eyeguy616

Yup, that sort of thing is called trolling or being a troll and isn't much appreciated. It just shows your maturity and willingness to have a slapfight rather than a discussion.
I'm gonna pimp my thread again so you know where it is. Trust me, the sources there are good and will tell you more than what the TV does. A few of them are quite professional and well known throughout the blog-sphere.... you do know what a (we)blog is, right? It's currently my main way of knowing what's going on over there through the eyes of those who witness/do it or those in such a position to get this info.

~eyeguy616

kinetic

I wasn't criticising anyone in particular it was just a general observation. The overall tone in the Political debate forum lately has been a bit insulting. I guess it will always be that way but it would be nice to keep it to a minimum.

digerati

Well with people coming in with websites like whatreallyhappened.com with the "Kennedy Cover Up" and that we had empty boats at pearl harbor, tensions tend to run high.

kinetic

Point taken!

Maiky

I told him before about i didnt want to argue again, but he is always discussing everything that i say in a badmanered way. Please Kinetic check it in this debate.

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digerati

Here, let's save him the hassle.


Maiky: You are wrong mate, America went to fight in WW2 at the end, when everything was finish

and I repit, if America is there just to help establish a democracy,
WHAT HAPPEN WITH PALESTINA,SOMALIA,NIGERIA AND KOREA?

Eyeguy's response: What's this "End" you talk about? We were secretly sending aid to the UK for a long time since they were the only ones that seemed to not fall to the nazi warmachine so quickly like the other European countries and our biggest trading partner/ally. Our leaders wanted to keep us out of it as much as possible, which I believe was called "Isolationism" and was also practiced to a degree in WWI, but we had to join in anyway to help out our trading partners and prevent u-boats from sinking our ships. When Japan surprised bombed Pearl Harbor, we had no choice but to completely enter. If Japan hadn't bombed Pearl Harbor, we might not have entered the war and Russia would probably have taken the war and made the whole region communist like it did part of Eastern Europe if Hitler had tried to take Russia. If not, German would have been your language. Would you have liked that? Oh yeah, it wasn't over until Japan submitted to us, and they didn't know how to submit until we showed them that it was their only option (Which the emperor thankfully thought it was. If they hadn't surrendered, we would have had to land on their mainland since what we dropped were just two prototype A-bombs and that was all we had!).

Also, if the US was in Iraq for money, why are we, the American people, gonna be paying an 80-someodd billion dollar bill from the war?
~eyeguy616

(Eyeguy wins, but wait let's see what happens)

Maiky: The problem is that the American people play so much with Medal of honor, Battlefield 1942, Call of Duty, etc....
If all about history you know is all that you watch in Michael Bay's Pearl Harbor or in this kind of games you are an ignorant or maybe an uninformed.

USA goverment justified participate in WW2 by the Japanese atack against Pear Harbor, but USA goberment prepared Pear Harbor with old and empty ships. USA goberment send civil an military people there to die, they send this poor people to justified their atack because it was profitable to help the countries that were fighting many years

in adittion the A-bombs were dropped in a CIVIL OBJETIVE when japanese people was surrender.

And another well informed eyeguy response: What are you talking about? What have they been teaching in your schools, conspiracy theories? Whether or not our "goberment" or certain people within it allowed the bombing or Pearl Harbor to happen could still be debated, but that port was not loaded with "old and empty ships." We lost some of our best carriers, ships, and thousands of troops during that Sunday morning attack! Some of the ships were salvaged for parts or repaired to face off with the Japanese later but one was mostly left at the bottom and it still gurgles up fuel from below today (USS Arizona, and it went down with more than 1000 men). Open a history textbook on WWII or watch the History Channel (it's practically all WWII all the time). If I was uninformed then how could I have know that we were secretly helping the war effort out almost since it started by hiding supplies in passenger and merchant ships? Germany had unrestricted sub warfare for a reason. Our government was actually thinking of formally declaring war on Germany on some other grounds, but wanted to stay out it, that is they didn't want to sacrifice American lives in Europe (Isolationism). Also, UK couldn't really repay us for these weapons since they had bigger things to worry about at the time (like Germany!).
Also, if we never dropped those bombs we would have had to initiate a landing on their mainland. Japan's generals were never going to surrender, even if all of Japan were to perish! Yes, this is what they had in mind! A fight to the death in a last, glorious and honorable battle. They would send weapons to all villages and towns telling them to defend their country. We, on the other hand, already knew that the Japanese were not going to surrender since they were flying their aircraft into our ships and had total disregard for their lives! Russia would have also come in to help us since we had an agreement that they would a few months after the surrender of Germany. Could you imagine the death toll this would have brought? It would make our bombings look like a drop in a bucket! Our two bombings were not enough to force a surrender out of the generals, but they were from the Emperor. He didn't want Japan to be destroyed.

~eyeguy616
Oh, I've never actually watched the Pearl Harbor movie just so you know. I do play the games you mentioned but they're not really about the history of WWII, are they?

(I say Eyeguy wins again, but what does Maiky do?)

Maiky: Dear eyeguy616, you must try to learn more in books than in American television.

But the point is, if you are a contry that need to help erery country to be better, with a better justice and a better goberment, why you dont do something in KOREA,PALESTINA,SOMALIA,GUINEA.NIGERIA?

PLEASE, CAN SOMEBODY ANSWER TO ME?


@/2ct!<: What eyeguy said was true, what do you disagree with ?

Maiky: war

(Now after reading this guy running his mouth off I've already had it with him. As I stated later in the thread.)

^_^: Then may Canada invade Spain and may you cower like bitches in masses.

Wertret: I think this thread is about to be moved to the flame warzone

^_^: After reading his posts I felt he deserved it.

Maiky: you re so cruel with me

^_^: And you buy into anti-US things too easily my friend. I have a history teacher who vacationed to Japan, Malaysia (where he met his wife) and China. And he does point out if the book is iffy about anything because of all the travelling and research he does on the stuff. Those ships weren't empty, and Japan wasn't going to surrender without force.

But about those other countries, you are right about that.

I believe America will repair Iraq for the good of the people, and by doing this possibly get a new allie, so EVERYONE wins. But I'm pretty sure the government new the initial battles of the Iraq war would be nothing. While as going into Korea would just be a bloody mess. And anything done in Africa would probably be very long term.

But if say France or Russia wants to go help Africa then they should go, so why aren't they there?

Maiky: So, you justify to drop 2 A-bombs in a Civil Objetive ??????
and maybe you re wrong, Im not against americans (im proud to be friend of some smart ones), im against your govermen

^_^: And you justify them bombing Pearl Harbor?

Notice how we dropped 2 bombs? You'd think if they had intentions of surrendering they'd do it right after the first one dropped.

Maiky: no im not justifing it, the oposite, ive said your gobermen used it for self-interest

^_^: Of course, if we invaded the mainland to force them to surrender we would have lost a lot of our troops. So we just skipped losing our boys and just killed them, afterall, they wouldn't surrender.

Maiky: is the best country the one with more soldiers and best weapons? I dont think so, but ^_^thinks really it. Spain doesnt has a tot of weapons, and hasnt been in a lot of wars like USA, but i prefer it than the oposite (USA)

p0rChM0nK3y: This has gone on long enough without me getting into the action.


It is obvious there are many here who hate America. They hate our way of life, our freedoms, and most of all, they hate our President. I voted for President Bush, and I will most likely vote for him again. The REAL reasons we invaded Iraq was to:

1. Take out an Evil Dictator.
2. Make sure he NEVER acquires a Nuclear Weapon.
3. Get a foothold in the Middle East.
4. Create a democracy.

America is NOT in Iraq for money. This is quit clear in the fact we have spent Billions on them. What we get in return is a possible ally and the removal and a violent dictator. I would say it's an even trade.

The comments on World War II made me sick. I'm not going to refrain when some spanish (or whatever hole in the wall country that piece of shit is from) prick tells me that we let thousands of sailor's die just to get into WWII. America CARED about the people of Europe. That's why we sacrificed Thousands of American lives For the Battles for the Eastern and Pacific Fronts.

There are obviously many ignorant foreigners on this forum. They dissapoint me everyday in their "Hate America" posts.




P.S. I laughed my ass off @ "goberment"

Maiky: its ok if you are badmannered or rudeness but i hate racist people

^_^: He's not racist, he just doesn't like you.

Maiky: ^_^ again. She/He is sooo smart.

^_^: I'm a bored teen, like Toshiro, except better looking

(Now I believe mainman was talking about Maiky, it could be either talking about Maiky or porchmonkey)

Mainman: Dont worry about im GOG his proven more than once that his an ignorant and an idiot, i really feel sorry for the guy.

(And I say thinking that it's Maiky)

^_^: I'd be more than happy to help him if he'd allow =\

Maiky: America is a young continent so must to learn about the older that is Europe.
We are against war cos we are fed up of war, and we know the crap about it. So try to learn about our past defects to convert in virtues. The war has never reason.

(Now someone gets mad because Maiky starts speaking for Europe as a whole)

philou: DON T SPEAK FOR EUROPE AS IT HAS A UNIQUE VOICE. You clearly suffer of a lackof something like many people in this world your opinions are definitely basic and definitively without a piece of knowledge. I will advise you to meditate those words cos you are too much of a predicator . from europe, don t think that you can know something because of your origin and don t think others are not as smart as you

(And I go after Maiky for Americans don't know anything about war.)

^_^: We've had numerous wars. The original war that brought us freedom, war with Mexico, war of 1812, Civil War (Where we killed more of ourselves than in any other war), WWII, Korean War, Vietnam.

And here's an interesting thing for you to read.

If you see a person walking in the street with an anti-war sign and you talk to him and he tells you that love not war, peace not force, will solve problems. Nod and say you agree then punch him in the fcuking nose. After he gets up tell him that peace will solve the problem and if not love surely will. Let him settle down until he agrees then punch him in the fcuking nose. Repeat steps until he comes swinging at you. Now he's cured.

(Now Maiky respons to the guy mad about him speaking for the entire continent of Europe)

Maiky: hmmmmmmmmm
What are you talking about? its just an opinion.

(And here I am actually being nice and offering Maiky help)

^_^: You said we in your previous post. Which makes it a collective opinion of Europeans, he's just speaking out for those Europeans who might not agree with you.

If you want I could help you proofread your posts so that way you don't confused people like him again. It may be your opinion but the way you said it made it appear you were speaking for the continent of Europe.

(Now here's where I just get mad, I try and be helpful and this is his reply to it?)

Maiky: Have you seen any European opinion against it? always the same again and the same again and the same again. Here we, or me or he or it or whatever you want are talking about a political debate not grammar. If you want to be against me because you havent anything better to do, please go to flame warzone. Anyway i dont want to argue again with you, it makes me sleep.

^_^: I have many relatives in France who actually support the war. So please, shut the hell up.

(Now we're pretty much up to date, so if anyone wants to read you can)

Maiky

you cant live without me. You must not monopolize the debate argueing with me leave the people talk what they think about the debate. And please forget me.

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ToshiroOC

No offense Maiky, but you're incoherent.

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Maiky

dont warry about it. but why?

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merry

This is a bit out of context, but I think it does hint to - what I see as - the flaw in that article. The idea he speaks about cannot be stated, he sais; Europeans don't understand it; etc. So - what if that was true for European countries, not for the EU, but for each and every country, different "ideas", too complex to define, too old to trace in history... ? So, basically, is it "Europeans don't understand Americans", is it vice -versa?

Or is it both?

The whole article is a (rather clumsy) presentation of what is called "cultural difference".

One other little thing - if there is something annoying about cowboys it's their manners: "So when a French judge tried to order an American company to remove Nazi symbols from their site in the US, an American judge told the French judge to get stuffed". Of course, the judge in question used a different language, but it's the cowboy-author I'm talking about. He's frustrated, I can understand that; *you* are frustrated, ok; if our cultures are to comunicate - and in this world they simply have to - the first thing we have to learn is to keep out each others' toes... and we need to see them first.

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Mike89

This thread should be called the Morons thread cause of so many of them in here. I read stuff like this and realized just how stupid people really are and it makes me sick to my stomach. Sitting back and trying to Quarterback from the couch when you know none of the plays and never actually played the game. Where people get their information from is dumbfounding and then how it's stated as facts shows nothing but pure stupidity. Even the thread title, the Country that is talked about is mispelled. Morons. Giving some of you dudes the right to vote is terribly scary.

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