Maiky

Im sure that the Americans are not there to make peace or to help the Iraki people to be better than with Sadam. it is like to tell that the people is stupid.

They are there just to get the petroleum, to get money making buildings, roads, bridges and all the reconstruction of everything that they had destroyed, even to finish with all the old armament that they sold to the countries clouse to their war.

They invent a war wherever they want. In the best profitable place.
Why they dont take part in Somalia? (because they dont have money or petroleum)
Why they dont take part in Palestina? (Because Israel is an allied, and Kiss the USA botom so well)
Why they dont take part in Nigeria? (The same that with Somalia)
Why they dont take part in Korea? (Because Korea has a lot of nuclear weapons)
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The Americans thinks that they are the only smart people and the only country that can make the law. They think that the other counties are in the prehistory, with no cars, no electricity, no politicians and they have to save us. YOU ARE WRONG

As Spanish i fell disgusting about our president Aznar
And like human i fell terror about your president Bush


Im sure that the iraki war will be worst than Vietnam for USA and UK so i fell sad.

craig588

I thought everyone already knew this.

mainman

Sorry bud but thats old news, the only people that can find it recent news are the American people.

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Alright, once and for all, it was not oil. They could easily ask for removed sanctions to get oil easier.... However, it is pretty clear that it was not intended to free people, what a stupid excuse. Also, other countries in the UN voted to inspect Saddam, but he blocked them out. The US acted when the rest of the UN was too lazy or ashamed to go and enforce somehting they decided on.

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Maiky

@/2ct!<

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Dyre Straits

No, America is NOT in Iraq for oil. And, Yes, America is there to help establish a democracy. Plain and simple.

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BONEHEAD

If we don't do anything then people will call us gutless. If it means anything I wish we would have let the Iraq's kill them selves over time and kill all the the people over there and take over that part of the world. Oh wait j/k I mean we just try to help countries that need it. so our pres may not be to bright but every four years we get to pick a new dumba$$ to screw up even more. If we would'nt have butted in in ww2 were and what would have happend to the the french etc. ?

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mainman

Well about the french.......... DAMMMMM YOU ALL!!!!

J/K

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Maiky

You are wrong mate, America went to fight in WW2 at the end, when everything was finish

and I repit, if America is there just to help establish a democracy,
WHAT HAPPEN WITH PALESTINA,SOMALIA,NIGERIA AND KOREA?

eyeguy616

What's this "End" you talk about? We were secretly sending aid to the UK for a long time since they were the only ones that seemed to not fall to the nazi warmachine so quickly like the other European countries and our biggest trading partner/ally. Our leaders wanted to keep us out of it as much as possible, which I believe was called "Isolationism" and was also practiced to a degree in WWI, but we had to join in anyway to help out our trading partners and prevent u-boats from sinking our ships. When Japan surprised bombed Pearl Harbor, we had no choice but to completely enter. If Japan hadn't bombed Pearl Harbor, we might not have entered the war and Russia would probably have taken the war and made the whole region communist like it did part of Eastern Europe if Hitler had tried to take Russia. If not, German would have been your language. Would you have liked that? Oh yeah, it wasn't over until Japan submitted to us, and they didn't know how to submit until we showed them that it was their only option (Which the emperor thankfully thought it was. If they hadn't surrendered, we would have had to land on their mainland since what we dropped were just two prototype A-bombs and that was all we had!).

Also, if the US was in Iraq for money, why are we, the American people, gonna be paying an 80-someodd billion dollar bill from the war?
~eyeguy616

ToshiroOC

Of course, us spending $87 billion dollars in reconstruction efforts is just a ploy to distract the rest of the world, and we have no good intentions whatsoever.

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Maiky

The problem is that the American people play so much with Medal of honor, Battlefield 1942, Call of Duty, etc....
If all about history you know is all that you watch in Michael Bay's Pearl Harbor or in this kind of games you are an ignorant or maybe an uninformed.

USA goverment justified participate in WW2 by the Japanese atack against Pear Harbor, but USA goberment prepared Pear Harbor with old and empty ships. USA goberment send civil an military people there to die, they send this poor people to justified their atack because it was profitable to help the countries that were fighting many years

in adittion the A-bombs were dropped in a CIVIL OBJETIVE when japanese people was surrender.

eyeguy616

What are you talking about? What have they been teaching in your schools, conspiracy theories? Whether or not our "goberment" or certain people within it allowed the bombing or Pearl Harbor to happen could still be debated, but that port was not loaded with "old and empty ships." We lost some of our best carriers, ships, and thousands of troops during that Sunday morning attack! Some of the ships were salvaged for parts or repaired to face off with the Japanese later but one was mostly left at the bottom and it still gurgles up fuel from below today (USS Arizona, and it went down with more than 1000 men). Open a history textbook on WWII or watch the History Channel (it's practically all WWII all the time). If I was uninformed then how could I have know that we were secretly helping the war effort out almost since it started by hiding supplies in passenger and merchant ships? Germany had unrestricted sub warfare for a reason. Our government was actually thinking of formally declaring war on Germany on some other grounds, but wanted to stay out it, that is they didn't want to sacrifice American lives in Europe (Isolationism). Also, UK couldn't really repay us for these weapons since they had bigger things to worry about at the time (like Germany!).
Also, if we never dropped those bombs we would have had to initiate a landing on their mainland. Japan's generals were never going to surrender, even if all of Japan were to perish! Yes, this is what they had in mind! A fight to the death in a last, glorious and honorable battle. They would send weapons to all villages and towns telling them to defend their country. We, on the other hand, already knew that the Japanese were not going to surrender since they were flying their aircraft into our ships and had total disregard for their lives! Russia would have also come in to help us since we had an agreement that they would a few months after the surrender of Germany. Could you imagine the death toll this would have brought? It would make our bombings look like a drop in a bucket! Our two bombings were not enough to force a surrender out of the generals, but they were from the Emperor. He didn't want Japan to be destroyed.

~eyeguy616
Oh, I've never actually watched the Pearl Harbor movie just so you know. I do play the games you mentioned but they're not really about the history of WWII, are they?

Maiky

Dear eyeguy616, you must try to learn more in books than in American television.

But the point is, if you are a contry that need to help erery country to be better, with a better justice and a better goberment, why you dont do something in KOREA,PALESTINA,SOMALIA,GUINEA.NIGERIA?

PLEASE, CAN SOMEBODY ANSWER TO ME?

philou

it's an easy answer to a much more complicated problem

philou

you must have a very goog knowledge of geopolitics, econony and history as well as a good sense to interpret news from TV newspapers and from the people that are giving their opinions

philou

In many ways you can have a wrong opinion because it is an easy one such as i am not for war or i don't like when people are killed. I think that it is not hard to understand when you are at home and not seeing things truly.

Maiky

I dont understand it, and i dont want to watch it again by TV even everywhere cos im disagree with wars.

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@/2ct!<

What eyeguy said was true, what do you disagree with ?

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Maiky

war

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All Work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. JACK TORRANCE

digerati

Then may Canada invade Spain and may you cower like bitches in masses.

wertret

I think this thread is about to be moved to the flame warzone

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digerati

After reading his posts I felt he deserved it.

Maiky

you re so cruel with me

digerati

And you buy into anti-US things too easily my friend. I have a history teacher who vacationed to Japan, Malaysia (where he met his wife) and China. And he does point out if the book is iffy about anything because of all the travelling and research he does on the stuff. Those ships weren't empty, and Japan wasn't going to surrender without force.

But about those other countries, you are right about that.

I believe America will repair Iraq for the good of the people, and by doing this possibly get a new allie, so EVERYONE wins. But I'm pretty sure the government new the initial battles of the Iraq war would be nothing. While as going into Korea would just be a bloody mess. And anything done in Africa would probably be very long term.

But if say France or Russia wants to go help Africa then they should go, so why aren't they there?

Maiky

So, you justify to drop 2 A-bombs in a Civil Objetive
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and maybe you re wrong, Im not against americans (im proud to be friend of some smart ones), im against your govermen

The_Neon_Cowboy

Many my history is fuzzy just how many war has spain been in? and recently? and for good couses?
ok mabe it's just me but must be a double standard in effect here huh....

please enlighten me... spain just doen't hit the news at all, even on escola (world news), bbc, us news... or when i was up in canada eather.I've never heard the word "news" and "spain" in the same sentance and i watch alot of news. mabe i should do some digging online....

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digerati

And you justify them bombing Pearl Harbor?

Notice how we dropped 2 bombs? You'd think if they had intentions of surrendering they'd do it right after the first one dropped.