BluntmaN

http://www.opshiloh.com/
This is a private program of some Israelis with the backing of the Israeli army to train normal citizens about Anti-Terrorist techniques. It is obviously targeted towards paranoid Americans that are willing to pay 5000 bucks to get a 5 day course on using firearms and patrolling streets to spot terrorists.

Now I don't live in US but is this BS just for paranoid schizophrenics or is it a byproduct of an extremely fear struck nation? Are American citizens so scared of the terrorist threat that are willing to pay 5 grand to go to Israel to learn how to protect themselves?
I watched a program last night with the first five participants and they kept saying that it will be valuable to them in case shit happens so that they can protect their families. Are the Americans genuinly afraid of terrorists attacks happening that will pay money to learn BS?

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digerati

Some are, some aren't. I'm not and I'm an American. But then again it's a totally different feeling knowing you're a target. Which is why I feel for the Isreali, also because I have family in Israel. It's creepy to know that you're a target, even on your way to work. Just a typical day in your office at the world trade center, to go get money so you can provide for your family. When you're a target just because you're an American it's a weird feeling. And so I can see people doing that, but I never will.

Bicka

So let me get this right....you pay $5000 to go over to israel to get trained in anti-terrorism. Doesnt that sound a little odd to anyone? Don't be surprised to see your next door neighbour leave for a few weeks only to come back sporting 'I love Taliban' T-shirts!

The_Neon_Cowboy

I doubt you'll find anyone wearing 'I love Taliban' T-shirts" even on the taliban. thats kinda an iditoic satement... this is an anti terrist program. not an alqida traning camp.

for one to alot of people thats not very much,
for 2 that cover room and board. materials etc etc.... the pice seems reasonable
alot of people pay more then that to down and snorkle for a day or to in florda..

program specifics...

It looks like basic education/wareness program that will give a hards on feel....
Would i do it? no why i've allready fired more weapons then that. I've allready seen/toured millitary bases. These alot of people out there thats never touched a gun little own shot one. The hand to hand intersets me but if wanted that thiers classes here for that.

In a lot of situations nomal people coulds of acted and save many lives. many hove no clue how to defend thier selfs. If you had a gun and need to kill someone else to save other lives as well as you own could u do it? many would fail to pull the trigger. In history wer army's fail normal citizans picked up arms on won through! http://www.opshiloh.com/background.htm

It does have it place and i understand how such a program could pop up..

also, it could help so of those poele that are over worried, people are afrind of the unknown thats a fact.
this could be a benifical program for some people... most people have no idea of how to act in any circumstance...

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Bicka

Sarcasm completely missed there Neon.

Its a sad world we have to live in where ordinary people are expected to know how to use a gun. If there was ever the same situation here in the Uk I'd give it a pass. Even if I had the money. Why? Because I never want to use a gun in my life. The more guns in the home the worst is what I say. We won't have to worry so much about Terrorism but whether or not our kids are using the same sort of defence.

ExitiosuS

Think of it this way ~ it's a tour to some.

I mean, people pay 5k+ on a standard vacation down to Israel, then there's the minor-thrill seekers... this would be more of a thrill then the big praying wall. (if I got that right... lol)

It'd be entertainment with a bit of education in it... for 5k... sure.
But at the same time, when a terrorist hits close to home, how many are using guns? They tend to use a lot of their surroundings as their weapons... Carbombs, Cars, Buses, self-detonation, etc...

Whatever the means, not like I'll be fighting in the front lines. Five thousand dollars for gun training and a bit of sight seeing... It's alright, can't say anyone is an idiot for that... people pay more to make their breasts look bigger... or on simple stuff like cigarettes. Meh. :P

BluntmaN

The problems are simple:
1)No-one can be trained in anti-terrorims in 5 days.
2)Non of the skills that these folks learn would help them face a suicide bomber or any other standard terrorist threat.
3)This whole thing feeds on the fear that the 9/11 has put in America (which is overblown anyway).
4)All of the stuff you get trained at (excluding patroling downtown Hebron) you can get in US for much less money.

Btw the real question in hand is not if it is good value for money but is the average American so freaked out that they think that a training program from professional murderers help them defend their homes in Alabama?

P.S. The program that was aired in Brit TV was trying to show that the citizens of the US are a bunch of paranoid cowards and I simply needed some American opinions on the subject.

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Donald Rumsfeld (And then they say that the White House knows what it's doing)

merry

Problem no. 5:

Most people can't be trained in anti-terro whatever, let alone 5 days. But the average person might get the false idea (s)he IS trained (after spending 5000$), and shoot some louche looking guy on the street...

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FuNsTeR

how do you think Palistinians feel they are targets of state terrorism orchestrated from Isreal .... but thats different isn't they are only Pals aren't they ....

so how tell me ^_^ how do you think it feels like to be at work at a office or at a parade when bombs go off funded by the way, by American citizens of New York for the IRA to kill and maim innocents ... so don't start the we are innocents BS ... but thats ok isn't

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digerati

Because we all know nothing happened to the Jews right?

I'm not sure what you're trying to say? What's the IRA?

FuNsTeR

so basically what you are saying is because the jews were persecuted in the mid 30's to mid 40's its ok for the Jewish state to do likewise to a people that had nothing to do with it in the first place .... if that is trully the case .... you trully are a fud


don't try come the idiot the "IRA" stands for the Irish Republican Army .... they are anything but a army they are a bunch of terrorists for the last 3 decades killing over 2500 people via the bomb and gun while the US goverment during the same time turned a blind eye while a known terrorist fund raising organisation was raising millions of £s for the IRA in the open mainly in New York and Boston .... every person that put a shinny silver dollar in their tins is as guilty as the men that planted the bombs , the IRA almost wiped out the english town of Warrington when they tried to blow the towns gasworks ... slap bang in the middle of a huge housing estate , blew up shoppers at Christmas time in London all helped by the yankee dollar ...

next time you fell the need to lecture anybody on the matter of Terrorism ... always remember your country the USA have helped more terrorists than any other nation ... and yes it is a touchy matter

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digerati

Don't accuse me of playing dumb. I typed it into google and the first sites I got were http://www.rothira.com/ http://www.reading.org/ and http://liinwww.ira.uka.de/bibliography/

I live in California, the completey opposite coast. The only thing I know about New York is it's cold, crowded, and have subways.

And I'm not justifying the Jews. But geez man
" jews were persecuted in the mid 30's to mid 40's its ok for the Jewish state to do likewise to a people that had nothing to do with it in the first place "

They aren't doing likewise, if you see what Israel is doing and what Hitler is doing as likewise then I'm not talking to you anymore. The Jews are getting bombed now too ya know. Except not by planes, by palestinians blowing themselves up in buses and pizza shops.

I remember watching a video on Israel bombing a building where a terrorist operative was. They dropped the first bomb and it hit dead on. Then local palestinians started running to where the bomb hit just as the second one landed to make sure they got the guy and Palestinian civilians were killed. Truly a horrible event but I'm not going to blame Israel for it.

digerati

Funster, about the IRA, I found this website. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl.../ira/conflict/
PBS as far as I've known has been pretty unbiased, but I never know. Tell me what you think of the site.
-Thanks

FuNsTeR

they are to a degree Pals are living in ghettos , Isreali troops put their guns into men , women and children faces does that not breed hostility , does building settlements in the best palistinian land not breed resentment , and remind me how are the pals meant to fight tanks , airplanes , helicopters if they have none of their own , they are fighting with what they have thats themselves

so who do you blame for it ... if Isreal bombed the building then Isreal is to blame

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FuNsTeR

he gets some of it right , but what really lets him down is his constant orgasms when mentioning the IRA , who wanted to impose their will over the Protestant majority of N Ireland who wanted to remain *ritish , and how they work ie punishment beatings , gambling dens , drug running, prostitution like the Protestant Loyalists they are the mafia of N Ireland who control all organised crime , the Ira organise terrorism all over the world they train other organisations in the art .... i could go on all day but im busy with other things

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BluntmaN

The IRA vs British troops conflict in is in many ways similar to the Pas vs Israeli.

Points of similarity include
1) The Brits were the rulers of Northern Ireland and were imposing sanctions upon the roman catholics.
2) The IRA fought back the only way they could by acts of terrorism while the Brits were killing roman catholics on the streets of Ireland.
3) No party was right and none was willing to back off.
4) Organized army attacks and SAS assassination squads were used and the retaliation was the murder of Innocent people.
5) Both are fueled by religious hatred but began due to oppression of one party upon the other.
6) Both conflicts cannot be won simply due to the mixed population of the regions.

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Donald Rumsfeld (And then they say that the White House knows what it's doing)

FuNsTeR

i'll think you'll find it was the unionists that were running Ireland at the time via stormont ... British troops were brought in to end the fighting between the unionist and the republicans ... the British troops (one of the many reasons why i think britian should be disbanded as the union flag resembles the butchers apron) took sides with the Unionist majority , ... what ^_^ did not realise was the bombing s in the UK main land by the provos on civilians and that large sums of moneys was raised in the USA in the open by noraid while US goverments did nothing ..... that is why i find this so called hollier than thou attitude of the US towards Isreal is a joke

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digerati

I'm sorry I had no knowledge of this. I will try and look into it when I have time.

FuNsTeR

as long as you don't let it warp your mind mate with all the sectarian *rap involved

i forgot your pretty young and America doesn't seem to report the Ira outrages on the mainland

look for info on Warrington , England to do with the Ira

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digerati

I'm not that young! Your only twice my age! lol

Bear_Able

typical comments that is to be expected from the provo loving yanks , but thats showbiz folks as that is the typical opinion to be expected from you f,enians on SectarianFilth.net





ba

watp

digerati

Uh?

GOG

LOL, I lost it after the first sentence too

digerati

Was he insulting me? lol

BluntmaN

I think he means to insult me for being pro IRA in my comments.
Thats showbiz folk might refer to pro Ira movies.
Fenians are what the protestants called the catholics from Sean Fin the founder of IRA b4 it turned terrorist.
Imo we have a die hard brit who hates the IRA and all who thought of it as an army rather than a terrorist org.

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'Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns — the ones we don't know we don't know.'
Donald Rumsfeld (And then they say that the White House knows what it's doing)