Abortion Again

krazy1 · Jan 7, 2004, 01:37 PM

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Originally posted by Roadee
This is pretty much a mute discussion. Everyone is going to have there own opinion based on where and how they were raised. No one will ever get there point across, because the person that is for or against abortion will not take the time to listen to the opposite and vice versa. And even if the do take to time to listen.......it still wont change there mind in any way, shape, or form.

Why bother??

Yep kind of like Religion and Politics..... Never worth arguing about......nobody wins, nobody looses.....

zerodamage · Jan 8, 2004, 02:29 AM

How about an example to make a point as to why feeling should not be used and thought should be. (I really can not believe I need to explain this.)

Feeling: "I feel that war sucks. People die. We should just mind our own business. I hate Bush."

Thinking: "Man it really sucks that we have to go to war. I hate war. I think we should try sanctions and if that doens't work, our only solution may be war."

Does that sound familiar? It's sort of the situation between peace activists (feeling with no thoughtful solution) and realists who feel that war sucks but think that it may be the only solution to this particular problem. (Do you think Hitler could have been talked to and convinced to stop genocide?)

Now to the present discussion. The abortion debate is filled with nothing but a bunch of people on both sides feeling that women should have the right to choose and those on the other side that feel that killing an unborn baby who has a soul is wrong.

My idea is to make this a thinking discussion rather than a wasteful bucket of feelings that lead to a closed thread and nothing productive said. I think that the facts about abortion and the human being aborted is much more important here than feelings. Everyone has different feelings. But the facts are the facts. Most people's feelings are based on facts or what they think to be facts.

I hope this clarifies a little bit.

bird chest · Jan 9, 2004, 03:43 AM

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Originally posted by Markius
well what do you *feel* about rape?
and what do you *feel* should be done whith the child that most rape victims wouldnt want growing in them or to keep after birth?

it really is too large a topic for me to either:
a: waste my time researching enough to put up a valid argument
or
b: spend the time needed for an intelligent debate in this thread

then why do you bother even coming to the political debate forum? Really?

bird chest · Jan 9, 2004, 03:47 AM

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Originally posted by zerodamage
How about an example to make a point as to why feeling should not be used and thought should be. (I really can not believe I need to explain this.)

Feeling: "I feel that war sucks. People die. We should just mind our own business. I hate Bush."

Thinking: "Man it really sucks that we have to go to war. I hate war. I think we should try sanctions and if that doens't work, our only solution may be war."

Does that sound familiar? It's sort of the situation between peace activists (feeling with no thoughtful solution) and realists who feel that war sucks but think that it may be the only solution to this particular problem. (Do you think Hitler could have been talked to and convinced to stop genocide?)

Now to the present discussion. The abortion debate is filled with nothing but a bunch of people on both sides feeling that women should have the right to choose and those on the other side that feel that killing an unborn baby who has a soul is wrong.

My idea is to make this a thinking discussion rather than a wasteful bucket of feelings that lead to a closed thread and nothing productive said. I think that the facts about abortion and the human being aborted is much more important here than feelings. Everyone has different feelings. But the facts are the facts. Most people's feelings are based on facts or what they think to be facts.

I hope this clarifies a little bit.

Yes it does but I also did not just think the war was necessary but I felt it was. This man killed over 2 million of his own people. How can one be against the war? I see your difference between feeling and thinking but still they are valid things to go on. They are both usually based on something and sometimes that something can misguide anyone.

Jan 8, 2004, 02:29 AM	#32
zerodamage HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Virginia, USA Posts: 3,478 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	How about an example to make a point as to why feeling should not be used and thought should be. (I really can not believe I need to explain this.) Feeling: "I feel that war sucks. People die. We should just mind our own business. I hate Bush." Thinking: "Man it really sucks that we have to go to war. I hate war. I think we should try sanctions and if that doens't work, our only solution may be war." Does that sound familiar? It's sort of the situation between peace activists (feeling with no thoughtful solution) and realists who feel that war sucks but think that it may be the only solution to this particular problem. (Do you think Hitler could have been talked to and convinced to stop genocide?) Now to the present discussion. The abortion debate is filled with nothing but a bunch of people on both sides feeling that women should have the right to choose and those on the other side that feel that killing an unborn baby who has a soul is wrong. My idea is to make this a thinking discussion rather than a wasteful bucket of feelings that lead to a closed thread and nothing productive said. I think that the facts about abortion and the human being aborted is much more important here than feelings. Everyone has different feelings. But the facts are the facts. Most people's feelings are based on facts or what they think to be facts. I hope this clarifies a little bit.