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View Poll Results: What should we do with Saddam?
He should face the world court for his crimes 12 24.00%
He should face a court of his peers in IRAQ 17 34.00%
He should be summarily executed after trial by a military court 8 16.00%
Incarcerated, studied, interviewed, and locked away for all time 4 8.00%
Face Muslim law 7 14.00%
Other ideas, please elaborate 7 14.00%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 50. This poll is closed

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Old Dec 24, 2003, 04:14 AM   #61
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Why would free elections be hard to understand for a Swede... ..we sure was a democracy last time i looked...
Anyway..I usually don't get involved in these discussions, but i think that people can't pass judgement on the U.S an brittish troops just by looking on cnn and other medias...and you're right BWX the world is far from black or white...

Oh by the way i voted that Saddam should face a court of his peers in IRAQ..

I wouldn't call a country where only 50-60% of the citizens vote for a democracy. I wouldn't call a country where the candidate with the most votes loses for a democracy either.
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Old Dec 24, 2003, 04:21 AM   #62
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[B]Yes the liberation of the people under Saddam depends on our "mood". Our "mood" being our current elected officials. We have free elections over here - I know it's probably hard for you to understand, but that means we vote out the people we don't like and vote in the people we do like.. Kind of what the Iraqi people would have done to Saddam if they had free elections, but they don't so we had to take the arse hole Saddam out with big bombs instead of little pieces of paper. Now Iraqi people won't need the American military to oust the next official they don't like- they can vote him out- great system huh? I'm glad we thought of it- you're welcome.

Oh, and we found the biggest WMD in a smelly nasty rat hole- or "spider hole"- what do you call a scum who murdered more than a million people? I call him a weapon of mass destruction. We'll find the rest, and if we don't, so what- how's that for an answer all you Saddam loving -bleeps-? he wasn't a "well known criminal" at the time, he was a lesser of 2 evils, someone who thinks they are as smart as you seem to think you are should realize everything in this world is not in black in white, but shades of gray. I say it's your fault- you did nothing, what's wrong with YOU people? Sounds like someone's bitter their hero is in custody.... If we listened to people like you Saddam would still be in power right? Who's side are you on? I'm on the side of the Iraqi people who want to be free and have a future for their children, and a peaceful place to live. I can't wait till we take out the next murderous dictator- let the crazy terrorists bomb us, we can take it- we'll win in the end- How much do you want to bet?

Are you aware of that the majority of those 1 millon people he killed was supported and encouraged by your own government? I would really like to know what was going on in the minds of the people that elected those bastards... Or is it so that those voters didn't have a clue what was coming?


Also, doesn't it seem a bit strange to you that the same people that provided Hussein with nerve gas is the same people that "liberated" Iraq? It's time to wake up and smell the coffee, your government doesn't give a shit about the people in Iraq, it's just all politics and money behind it.

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Old Dec 24, 2003, 04:29 AM   #63
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I wouldn't call a country where only 50-60% of the citizens vote for a democracy. I wouldn't call a country where the candidate with the most votes loses for a democracy either.
But it's by choice they vote. Obviously the ones who don't just don't give a crap.
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Old Dec 24, 2003, 04:32 AM   #64
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I wouldn't call a country where only 50-60% of the citizens vote for a democracy. I wouldn't call a country where the candidate with the most votes loses for a democracy either.
OMG- you do know we are called the United STATES right?? Notice <<----- "states" is capitalized??

They don't teach you about the electoral college in school??? I studied about it when I was 7 years old- and fully understood it by the time I was 10 yrs old.. Please. Go do a google search on it- you will understand our form of elections much better and wouldn't say silly things like that..
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Are you aware of that the majority of those 1 millon people he killed was supported and encouraged by your own government? I would really like to know what was going on in the minds of the people that elected those bastards... Or is it so that those voters didn't have a clue what was coming?


Also, doesn't it seem a bit strange to you that the same people that provided Hussein with nerve gas is the same people that "liberated" Iraq? It's time to wake up and smell the coffee, your government doesn't give a shit about the people in Iraq, it's just all politics and money behind it.
I don't support us selling him weapons. But I think removing him was the right thing to do. I will agree that's stupid what we did, and most people here are too stupid to see that connection. But I think it was good to take him down, can we at least agree on that?
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Don't get me wrong I am var from Sadam loving. But the US started a war under false pretense.
It was first WMD's then the connection with Al Quida en then when the rest of the world wanted more prove it became freeing the Iraqis.
I still remember what Cheney said on CNN that they know where the weapons are and they observing them day and night.
If the US is a people loving country why do they support Israel and the Mass Murdere Sharon??? The worst thing is that Israel is doing the same things Sadam has done but on Palestinians.

FOR THE DUMB PEOPLE ONLY!!!!

Say there's a hostage situation in an house. would the US support the Hostages or the criminals??
Say that the hostages are the palestinians (IT's their land (house)) and the criminals are the Israeli (NOTE I DIDN"T SAY ONES JEWS)

I am one that thinks that at a democratie the voters (everyone who is allowed to vote) are as quilty as their goverment. They have the power for change. And if there isn't a suitable candidate at that time it's their duty to put themselves or someone who does represent them up as a candidate.
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I am one that thinks that at a democratie the voters (everyone who is allowed to vote) are as quilty as their goverment. They have the power for change. And if there isn't a suitable candidate at that time it's their duty to put themselves or someone who does represent them up as a candidate.
I feel the same way, the people elected their leaders because of their intense partcipation in the democratic process, or their lack of interest. Either way they have made a choice.

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Don't get me wrong I am var from Sadam loving. But the US started a war under false pretense.
Poisen Gas, Ballistic Missles, Chemical weapons and biological labs did exist in IRAQ, and Saddam used them. He murdered hundreds of thousands or perhaps even a million of his own people and used his weapons on IRANIANS during their conflict, the bodies are still being found. What is considered a false pretense is definitely hard to prove. The man was a self styled Stalinist, and a murderer.

With Palestinian question, there are few parallels with any other country. Israel or Palestine as the case may be, is peopled by two different cultures that had coexisted for centuries and until 60 years ago, peacefully. With the struggle for power between the two comes conflict. I know the British that occupied the area for some time respected the Israeli and Palestinian people but definitely suffered more from Israeli attacks. The struggle for independence from Palestine by the Israeli's is legend and replete with stories of sacrifice and bravery. We certainly devoted a great deal of our time and resources to keep the country alive, and they possess a huge arsenal of weapons which they have no inhibition to use if necessary. I dont believe you can compare Sharon to Hussein, it would be inaccurate to compare Saddam with anyone except despots and meglomaniacs that have come before.
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Old Dec 24, 2003, 05:33 PM   #68
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I feel the same way, the people elected their leaders because of their intense partcipation in the democratic process, or their lack of interest. Either way they have made a choice.



Poisen Gas, Ballistic Missles, Chemical weapons and biological labs did exist in IRAQ, and Saddam used them. He murdered hundreds of thousands or perhaps even a million of his own people and used his weapons on IRANIANS during their conflict, the bodies are still being found. What is considered a false pretense is definitely hard to prove. The man was a self styled Stalinist, and a murderer.

With Palestinian question, there are few parallels with any other country. Israel or Palestine as the case may be, is peopled by two different cultures that had coexisted for centuries and until 60 years ago, peacefully. With the struggle for power between the two comes conflict. I know the British that occupied the area for some time respected the Israeli and Palestinian people but definitely suffered more from Israeli attacks. The struggle for independence from Palestine by the Israeli's is legend and replete with stories of sacrifice and bravery. We certainly devoted a great deal of our time and resources to keep the country alive, and they possess a huge arsenal of weapons which they have no inhibition to use if necessary. I dont believe you can compare Sharon to Hussein, it would be inaccurate to compare Saddam with anyone except despots and meglomaniacs that have come before.

Come on now Jeff, where exactly did Hussein get the majority of those chemical substances from? It's like giving candy to a kid, telling it not to eat it.
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Old Dec 24, 2003, 05:33 PM   #69
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Don't get me wrong I am var from Sadam loving. But the US started a war under false pretense.
It was first WMD's then the connection with Al Quida en then when the rest of the world wanted more prove it became freeing the Iraqis.
I still remember what Cheney said on CNN that they know where the weapons are and they observing them day and night.
If the US is a people loving country why do they support Israel and the Mass Murdere Sharon??? The worst thing is that Israel is doing the same things Sadam has done but on Palestinians.

FOR THE DUMB PEOPLE ONLY!!!!

Say there's a hostage situation in an house. would the US support the Hostages or the criminals??
Say that the hostages are the palestinians (IT's their land (house)) and the criminals are the Israeli (NOTE I DIDN"T SAY ONES JEWS)

I am one that thinks that at a democratie the voters (everyone who is allowed to vote) are as quilty as their goverment. They have the power for change. And if there isn't a suitable candidate at that time it's their duty to put themselves or someone who does represent them up as a candidate.
I don't care if you say Jews or not. But they are in no way compareable to Saddam. I never once thought the war was necessary. I never once believed they had nuclear weapons. And I didn't think they were tied with Al Quida or however you spell it. The dude had to be stopped, and he is, we remain to rebuild to make sure we don't look evil and to assure Iraqi's that none of the local clans takes power.
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