USA President, who would do a better job?

Zardon · Dec 30, 2003, 11:05 AM

Coming from Ireland id like to hear from all the USA members if there is someone who they feel would do a better job as President of the USA. I dont really follow USA politics much apart from the mainstream news that hits the TV here.

Opinions and views are greatly appreciated.

digerati · Dec 30, 2003, 01:29 PM

Colon Powell

Falstaff · Dec 30, 2003, 01:38 PM

It is very likely, that the Democrats will shoot each other in a circular firing squad with all their squabbling, Republican canidates will have a much easier time, including our current president. Whether the electoral college or popular vote hold sway in the next election, the Democrats are disemblowling themselves politically and We will see a reprise of Pres. Bush.

bird chest · Dec 30, 2003, 08:21 PM

I like president bush but I do not think he is a great president I just do not see anyone I like more. Right at this moment I am glad bush is running this country.

bird chest · Dec 30, 2003, 08:23 PM

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Originally posted by ^_^
Colon Powell

He is awsome but I do not think he know much more then military stuff and on top of that I do not think he wants to be president but if he were to run that is most likely where my vote would be.

@/2ct!< · Dec 30, 2003, 09:01 PM

Yeah, everybody thats anybody in politics kinda sux right now, George is great for now. Wonder how Condi would do in office though...?

drakesteakn · Dec 30, 2003, 09:37 PM

Bush ain't bad but he is horrible with foriegn relations. he needs to be more concerned with other people than himself. he is too concerned with pleasing himself than others.And i dont think he knows what he is doing. thats just my opinion.

zerodamage · Dec 30, 2003, 09:55 PM

Not so sure I agree man. If Bush cared what every single world leader thought, the U.S. would be nothing but a puppet of nations like Germany and France. To be honest, if we hadn't been the same then that we are now and did what we had to do, France and Germany would be one in the same. There wouldn't be a europe, it would be just one huge mass Germany (maybe, who knows what else may have happened).
I am not putting down any other nation, What I am saying is that Bush does care. His #1 priority are us, the American people, Everyone else is secondary. Those nations who turned their back on us, on the bottom, shit list. Anyone here would be the same way.

The_Neon_Cowboy · Dec 30, 2003, 10:06 PM

gallagher or george carlin

Dyre Straits · Dec 30, 2003, 10:11 PM

I'm all for 4 more years of George W. Bush.

The_Neon_Cowboy · Dec 30, 2003, 11:55 PM

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Originally posted by Dyre Straits
I'm all for 4 more years of George W. Bush.

rofl

thats a good one

Falstaff · Dec 31, 2003, 03:17 AM

BUSH FOR PRESIDENT
I went to war with his father and I respected his leadership and his vision, in the context of the times, he is a great leader in my opinion. His son, our president has testicles the size of Texas, and you know the world is watching with interest and perhaps regret at the fantastic success our mlitary has enjoyed, the faliures of the past generations have seemed to have been redeemed. I will vote for him again

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Patriot · Dec 31, 2003, 03:55 AM

Wow...I'm impressed at how this post hasn't turned into an all out war. Politics are kinda touchy. Good job ladies and gents on keeping it civil.

Oh...I'd vote for my current boss....again.

drakesteakn · Dec 31, 2003, 04:06 AM

i guess i don't like the money Bush throws at other countries like we can give it freely.that money could go to people in our own country that need it more

Falstaff · Dec 31, 2003, 04:46 AM

there lies the rub

**Roadee** · Dec 31, 2003, 05:05 AM

I think I would have to put my vote towards General "Stormin" Norman, that is if he were running. But he isn't running.....so......

As far as the candidates go, that are running now..........NONE OF THEM!!! None of them seem to have my interest's in mind, at least considering G.W.'s performance, and from watching the ad's and debates of the doomsday democrat's........I call them that because all they do is bicker amongst themselves...and when they do it.....they are pretty close to the truth about what they say about each other. All of them are making good points about the other's........and that is pointing out every fault that each of them have........and it appears to be alot. If you were to put them all in the same picture......it would make a good ad campaign for BIRTH CONTROL!! All they are doing is making G.W.'s job easier to stay in the seat. Another 4 years of him.........and we wont have a millitary left.

Davidgt · Dec 31, 2003, 05:18 AM

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Originally posted by Dyre Straits
I'm all for 4 more years of George W. Bush.

I agree I like George W. He will get my vote agian. Being former military Treatment of our military is important to me. GWB is great to them. I think he is a great president for our times. All i can say is thankgod that a liberal bedwetter is not in the white house

PoopyTheJ · Dec 31, 2003, 05:26 AM

George Carlin would certainly be better than any of the current Yahoos, Seriously though I'd vote for anyone who wasn't a Republican or a Democrat really. A libertarian would be nice but their to dangerous to the Statist policies of our current party so.....

**Roadee** · Dec 31, 2003, 05:26 AM

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Originally posted by Davidgt
I agree I like George W. He will get my vote agian. Being former military Treatment of our military is important to me. GWB is great to them. I think he is a great president for our times. All i can say is thankgod that a liberal bedwetter is not in the white house

I dont think being a "liberal" has anything to do with it. Or if your response had anything to do with mine.....To clarify......the reason I said, "Another 4 years of him.........and we wont have a millitary left." Is because with all the deployment's of our troops.....active and reserve......extending tour's of duty......deploying in so many places........fast deplyment turn around.....and all of the other things going on with the military in general. He is causing a low recruitment rate and a HIGH retirement and ETS rate. This isn't good. Not to mention the low moral rates of the military in general because of all of this.

The_Neon_Cowboy · Dec 31, 2003, 08:57 AM

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Originally posted by gaborn415
George Carlin would certainly be better than any of the current Yahoos, Seriously though I'd vote for anyone who wasn't a Republican or a Democrat really. A libertarian would be nice but their to dangerous to the Statist policies of our current party so.....

least he wouldn't lie hes just stight up tell ya what he's doing and why...
insted pulling a "bush" manoover....

yea it was great getting clintion out

need to get rid of bush i'nm sorry
but i down thank any presidant should go more then 4 years

bush can go back to his 200,000+ pluse acre rance and life the rich life he lived before lol
for once i'd like to see an every day joe in office

not some self serveing "rich guy"

it sad it first need for you to have any chance of ecection is have a few etra million laying around
and have enough bussinesses layering your pockets with dough, and who you know ... to have leeway lol

they current system is way to corrupt

i'd also like to see 12 or more canadtes on any postion... ballot

not who just gets a specail nomination...

then also out vote mean absoluly sqwawt, since president are NOT ELECTED BY THE PEOPLE
theier ELECTED BY A ELITE GROUP CALLED THE ELECTORIAL COLLAGE....

and in history it's happend only once but it has happend that the party with the most citzen votes lost the election... thats bs

digerati · Dec 31, 2003, 09:09 AM

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Originally posted by The_Neon_Cowboy
least he wouldn't lie hes just stight up tell ya what he's doing and why...
insted pulling a "bush" manoover....

yea it was great getting clintion out

need to get rid of bush i'nm sorry
but i down thank any presidant should go more then 4 years

bush can go back to his 200,000+ pluse acre rance and life the rich life he lived before lol
for once i'd like to see an every day joe in office

not some self serveing "rich guy"

it sad it first need for you to have any chance of ecection is have a few etra million laying around
and have enough bussinesses layering your pockets with dough, and who you know ... to have leeway lol

they current system is way to corrupt

i'd also like to see 12 or more canadtes on any postion... ballot

not who just gets a specail nomination...

then also out vote mean absoluly sqwawt, since president are NOT ELECTED BY THE PEOPLE
theier ELECTED BY A ELITE GROUP CALLED THE ELECTORIAL COLLAGE....

and in history it's happend only once but it has happend that the party with the most citzen votes lost the election... thats bs

The electoral college was put into place for the reason that most people were idiots back then. The forefathers figured that the elected would be smart and have a much higher education than the normal people. So it's a failsafe, because remember, just because everyone wants it doesn't make it right. It's put there to make sure that we don't get a full fledged KKK guy for president, doesn't matter if everyone voted for him the electoral college could choose who they feel would do the right thing.

But I do think that the elctoral college can be removed, seeing as most of us have a pretty solid education. But then again the masses here are stupid liberals and shouldn't even be allowed to speak, so I think the elctoral college can stay around for a while longer.

The_Neon_Cowboy · Dec 31, 2003, 09:21 AM

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Originally posted by ^_^
The electoral college was put into place for the reason that most people were idiots back then. The forefathers figured that the elected would be smart and have a much higher education than the normal people. So it's a failsafe, because remember, just because everyone wants it doesn't make it right. It's put there to make sure that we don't get a full fledged KKK guy for president, doesn't matter if everyone voted for him the electoral college could choose who they feel would do the right thing.

But I do think that the elctoral college can be removed, seeing as most of us have a pretty solid education. But then again the masses here are stupid liberals and shouldn't even be allowed to speak, so I think the elctoral college can stay around for a while longer.

hers a tough why not a system that isnt ruled by a president?
keep the same system but then but a small group of prears.. like having seral prisdents at one they must agree on stuff.... wonder if that would work...

Davidgt · Dec 31, 2003, 04:11 PM

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Originally posted by Roadee
I dont think being a "liberal" has anything to do with it. Or if your response had anything to do with mine.....To clarify......the reason I said, "Another 4 years of him.........and we wont have a millitary left." Is because with all the deployment's of our troops.....active and reserve......extending tour's of duty......deploying in so many places........fast deplyment turn around.....and all of the other things going on with the military in general. He is causing a low recruitment rate and a HIGH retirement and ETS rate. This isn't good. Not to mention the low moral rates of the military in general because of all of this.

LOL The world hasnt seen 1/10th of our military power. Just so you know All the recruiters I know say enlistment is doing very well. Btw Alot of soldiers Love the situation because during war times you gain rank quickly. Many privites are now E4`s now. Rank = money. Yes war is a hard time, I dont think anyone truly wants to do it. But without war you cant have peace.

drakesteakn · Dec 31, 2003, 05:44 PM

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Originally posted by Davidgt
LOL The world hasnt seen 1/10th of our military power. Just so you know All the recruiters I know say enlistment is doing very well. Btw Alot of soldiers Love the situation because during war times you gain rank quickly. Many privites are now E4`s now. Rank = money. Yes war is a hard time, I dont think anyone truly wants to do it. But without war you cant have peace.

Ur totally right Rank=money and the world hasn't seen all of our power. i don't think the want too either.

Dyre Straits · Dec 31, 2003, 06:19 PM

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Originally posted by drakesteakn
...... i don't think the want too either.

Why do you think Gadhafi/Libya has finally come to their senses?

The critics of the Iraq War want to say that the new situation with Libya 'proves' that diplomacy works. The truth of the matter, however, is that Gadhafi doesn't want to be on any hit list of terrorists nations. I'm hoping that other nations that are/have been pursuing terrorist goals will follow suit.

Like Davidgt iterated: Without strength, there won't be any real peace.

I learned way back in Junior High School that if you keep letting a bully get away with his bullying, he'll keep it up. But, if you stand up to him, he shows just what a coward he really is.

In 7th grade I had a guy who was at least 2 years older than I who had failed 2 years of school who tried to threaten me during a gym class. Long story short, he grabbed me around the neck and was giving me a choke hold. With what little judo training I'd received just that summer, I grabbed his shirt collar and his shorts waist band and laid him flat on his back on the gym floor. I did it with intentional restraint so as not to break his back or anything.

He bawled and screamed like a little baby. No kidding. People were coming into the gym from other places to see what the commotion was all about. He was sitting on his butt and scooting across the floor and just wailing at the top of his lungs.

Little did I know at that time -- as I was completely new to the area and school -- that this guy had been the class bully for years. I instantly became a 'hero' to a lot other students because I stood up to this guy. He never once bothered me again.

I did have to pay a visit to the principal's office for 'fighting', but when all the circumstances were addressed, I didn't even get any suspension or negative report on my record. In fact, I found out some time later that even the teachers were secretly clapping their hands that this guy had been dealt with by some 'puny runt' (I was only 5'3" at the time) and put in his place.

So, my position is that we need to stand up to these 'bully' dictators and cowardly terrorists and simply SHOW them, We're not going to take it anymore! If we don't do a good job of it now, it just might be too late down the road.

Davidgt · Dec 31, 2003, 06:34 PM

Great post Dyre

bird chest · Dec 31, 2003, 06:55 PM

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Originally posted by Roadee
I dont think being a "liberal" has anything to do with it. Or if your response had anything to do with mine.....To clarify......the reason I said, "Another 4 years of him.........and we wont have a millitary left." Is because with all the deployment's of our troops.....active and reserve......extending tour's of duty......deploying in so many places........fast deplyment turn around.....and all of the other things going on with the military in general. He is causing a low recruitment rate and a HIGH retirement and ETS rate. This isn't good. Not to mention the low moral rates of the military in general because of all of this.

I am going to have to disagree with you on the low recruitment rate just because I enlisted in the military last june and all the jobs filled up a month later for MI (I am in MI). A guy scored a 99 on his AVSAB and still could not get a job in MI around where I live. I know also that they are getting a lot of other jobs filled up also.

bird chest · Dec 31, 2003, 07:09 PM

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Originally posted by ^_^
The electoral college was put into place for the reason that most people were idiots back then. The forefathers figured that the elected would be smart and have a much higher education than the normal people. So it's a failsafe, because remember, just because everyone wants it doesn't make it right. It's put there to make sure that we don't get a full fledged KKK guy for president, doesn't matter if everyone voted for him the electoral college could choose who they feel would do the right thing.

But I do think that the elctoral college can be removed, seeing as most of us have a pretty solid education. But then again the masses here are stupid liberals and shouldn't even be allowed to speak, so I think the elctoral college can stay around for a while longer.

IF there were no electoral college candidates would just need to win LA, Chicago, New York, and a couple other huge supercenters for people. The problem with this is that all these people live in cities and do not know what is best for the people who are farming they do and they need a say. So ther give the smaller states a little more weight so that people have to campaign there to.
this way no states like Idaho are just fogotten.

This is how it was explained to me. I do not know how true it is.

Dyre Straits · Dec 31, 2003, 09:23 PM

Bird chest, you're explanation is pretty much right on. That's the reason for the development of the electoral college. It assures that ALL States have an influence on the outcome of national elections.

Like you said, if it were simply by popular vote, candidates would only have to campaign -- and win -- in the very highly populated areas.

Information on the Electoral College

The_Neon_Cowboy · Dec 31, 2003, 09:37 PM

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Originally posted by bird chest
IF there were no electoral college candidates would just need to win LA, Chicago, New York, and a couple other huge supercenters for people. The problem with this is that all these people live in cities and do not know what is best for the people who are farming they do and they need a say. So ther give the smaller states a little more weight so that people have to campaign there to.
this way no states like Idaho are just fogotten.

This is how it was explained to me. I do not know how true it is.

yea but do really rally need rich ranchers who do alot of self serviing stuff ... like tax cuts for the rich and screw the poor... anyone makes less then 20,000 a year and had kids got shafted last year
... if you made 20,000+ you get a check for $300 .... I'd made about 19,000 i got a little thing saying it wasn't paid out becouse my tax credit was less then $5

so if you make more (or own run a bussiness 2) you get more tax breaks and if you make less you pay more taxes thats just messed up. so amreaca is run on the money of its poorest .... while thier rich roll around in it with so much many coun't possable spend it in thier lifetimes many times over.
there is something terrably wrong with that.....

as for electorial collage canadtes the electorial collage doesn't choose the candates their political parties do!

Dec 30, 2003, 01:38 PM	#3
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	It is very likely, that the Democrats will shoot each other in a circular firing squad with all their squabbling, Republican canidates will have a much easier time, including our current president. Whether the electoral college or popular vote hold sway in the next election, the Democrats are disemblowling themselves politically and We will see a reprise of Pres. Bush. __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Dec 30, 2003, 09:01 PM	#6
@/2ct!< HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Not Vegas, anymore :( Posts: 1,391 Rep Power: 0	Yeah, everybody thats anybody in politics kinda sux right now, George is great for now. Wonder how Condi would do in office though...? __________________

Dec 30, 2003, 09:37 PM	#7
drakesteakn boo!!!! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Ft. Meyers, FL Posts: 2,041 Rep Power: 0	Bush ain't bad but he is horrible with foriegn relations. he needs to be more concerned with other people than himself. he is too concerned with pleasing himself than others.And i dont think he knows what he is doing. thats just my opinion. __________________

Dec 30, 2003, 10:06 PM	#9
The_Neon_Cowboy HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 16,009 Rep Power: 92 System Specs	gallagher or george carlin __________________

Dec 31, 2003, 03:55 AM	#13
Patriot DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Michigan, USofA Posts: 217 Rep Power: 0	Wow...I'm impressed at how this post hasn't turned into an all out war. Politics are kinda touchy. Good job ladies and gents on keeping it civil. Oh...I'd vote for my current boss....again. __________________ For those who stand guard, freedom has a sweetness the protected will never know.

Dec 30, 2003, 11:05 AM	#1
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	USA President, who would do a better job? Coming from Ireland id like to hear from all the USA members if there is someone who they feel would do a better job as President of the USA. I dont really follow USA politics much apart from the mainstream news that hits the TV here. Opinions and views are greatly appreciated.

Dec 30, 2003, 01:29 PM	#2
digerati Everyones life has worth Join Date: May 2003 Location: My Yellow Bug Posts: 3,779 Rep Power: 0	Colon Powell

Dec 30, 2003, 08:21 PM	#4
bird chest DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 454 Rep Power: 0	I like president bush but I do not think he is a great president I just do not see anyone I like more. Right at this moment I am glad bush is running this country.

Dec 30, 2003, 09:55 PM	#8
zerodamage HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Virginia, USA Posts: 3,478 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Not so sure I agree man. If Bush cared what every single world leader thought, the U.S. would be nothing but a puppet of nations like Germany and France. To be honest, if we hadn't been the same then that we are now and did what we had to do, France and Germany would be one in the same. There wouldn't be a europe, it would be just one huge mass Germany (maybe, who knows what else may have happened). I am not putting down any other nation, What I am saying is that Bush does care. His #1 priority are us, the American people, Everyone else is secondary. Those nations who turned their back on us, on the bottom, shit list. Anyone here would be the same way.

Dec 31, 2003, 04:06 AM	#14
drakesteakn boo!!!! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Ft. Meyers, FL Posts: 2,041 Rep Power: 0	i guess i don't like the money Bush throws at other countries like we can give it freely.that money could go to people in our own country that need it more __________________

Dec 31, 2003, 04:46 AM	#15
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	there lies the rub __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Dec 31, 2003, 05:05 AM	#16
Roadee Never forgotten Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Rest In peace, Joe. Posts: 2,198 Rep Power: 69	I think I would have to put my vote towards General "Stormin" Norman, that is if he were running. But he isn't running.....so...... As far as the candidates go, that are running now..........NONE OF THEM!!! None of them seem to have my interest's in mind, at least considering G.W.'s performance, and from watching the ad's and debates of the doomsday democrat's........I call them that because all they do is bicker amongst themselves...and when they do it.....they are pretty close to the truth about what they say about each other. All of them are making good points about the other's........and that is pointing out every fault that each of them have........and it appears to be alot. If you were to put them all in the same picture......it would make a good ad campaign for BIRTH CONTROL!! All they are doing is making G.W.'s job easier to stay in the seat. Another 4 years of him.........and we wont have a millitary left. __________________ We are born naked, wet, and hungry. Then things get worse.

Dec 31, 2003, 05:26 AM	#18
PoopyTheJ DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,588 Rep Power: 66	George Carlin would certainly be better than any of the current Yahoos, Seriously though I'd vote for anyone who wasn't a Republican or a Democrat really. A libertarian would be nice but their to dangerous to the Statist policies of our current party so..... __________________ [COLOR=Blue]“Alright boys, let’s start her up and see why she doesn’t work.” - John Fritz "I aim to misbehave" Malcolm Reynolds ATI Catalyst Beta Tester[/COLOR]

Dec 31, 2003, 06:34 PM	#26
Davidgt Car Audio Guy Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Atlanta, Ga Posts: 499 Rep Power: 0	Great post Dyre __________________ Sales/Support Manager Taraautosound.com wonderful sig by tastyweat