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~~bluelight~~ · Jan 14, 2004, 09:33 PM

Well you are a moderator here i see.You do not know me and yet you accuse me of being a liar.

Looks like this place havent changed.

People here and elsewhere especially in rightwing moron circuits posted "comic" images of European leaders as Nazis for not accepting your presidents warplanning.

That might not suit your image of reality.

To bad.I couldn`t care less.

Bluelight

BWX · Jan 14, 2004, 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bluelight
Well you are a moderator here i see.You do not know me and yet you accuse me of being a liar.

Looks like this place havent changed.

People here and elsewhere especially in rightwing moron circuits posted "comic" images of European leaders as Nazis for not accepting your presidents warplanning.

That might not suit your image of reality.

To bad.I couldn`t care less.

Bluelight

LOL- I know you, and you haven't changed either.

zerodamage · Jan 14, 2004, 09:38 PM

Where did I call you a liar? I asked you to back up your claims with facts. You can not debate anything without facts to back up your opinion/claims. My point is that I do not know what media sources did as you claimed. I need to see this so I stay away from such garbage in the future. You need to expect to be called on these types of claims with facts when none are initially posted.

zerodamage · Jan 14, 2004, 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bluelight
Well you are a moderator here i see.You do not know me and yet you accuse me of being a liar.

Looks like this place havent changed.

People here and elsewhere especially in rightwing moron circuits posted "comic" images of European leaders as Nazis for not accepting your presidents warplanning.

That might not suit your image of reality.

To bad.I couldn`t care less.

Bluelight

You editted your post and added more claims without any links to back them up. If you want me to take you seriously so we can address this, then post up some links to support your claims, otherwise people like myself who deal in facts will chew you up.

~~bluelight~~ · Jan 14, 2004, 10:35 PM

People like you yourself will chew me up? A moderator?ÁFter i have posted three posts? You must be bloody joking?

Are you moderating this board?

Which is your idea of moderating a political section of a forum?Do you find it a good idea harassing members for their political wiews?

Im not lying and you have the nerve to claim i am a liar?I have almost 1000 posts at this board although i havent been here for some time.

It is obvious i should never have comne back.

A board with a rightwing moron who takes it as his job to chew members....

No thanks.

Jeff Fallang........ ( as i believe you will probably read this post)It was nice to see you again but it ended sooner than i thought.

Im not staying here.I took enough shit from narrowminded morons last time.
Aint wasting further time here.

Besides "moderator" whats your problem with people editing their posts?

Dont you allow that? Paranoid?

You should get yourself something else to do.Before you do.....see to i that im removed as a member of this board.

Bluelight

zerodamage · Jan 14, 2004, 11:02 PM

Ok Bluelight. You are taking this personal and now attacking me. I am not the moderator of this forum. What I am is someone who wants the facts and search for them 24/7.

Maybe you should not have come back here if you are going to attack me and call me a moron when All I asked for were some links to back up your claims. What I am getting from this is that you do not have any proof to back up your claims nor do you wish to discuss this. You would rather avoid any attempt to confirm what you say and throw a curve ball by crying wolf about me. Will not work, nice try though.

I will forward your request on to an admin.

***Veridian3*** · Jan 14, 2004, 11:08 PM

Bluelight, i'm not going to remove your account...having read the thread i can see nothing wrong with the conduct of any poster up to this point. If you dont want to visit then fine...dont. However i suggest you go take a deep breath and calm down...then maybe you can come back and post some links to back up your views. Now lets get back on topic...

EDIT- spelling

digerati · Jan 14, 2004, 11:29 PM

I do enjoy your comments here time to time Bluelight, and always welcome you back, but I do have to side with Zero Damage on this one, although his first post did seem a bit on edge to me it didn't warrant any personal attacks like the ones you gave him and even after all that with nothing to back up, this one has to go to him unless you can substantiate your claims.

zerodamage · Jan 14, 2004, 11:36 PM

I apoligize if my first post came off that way. My point with the comment about he making it up was just to make the point that with these types of claims being made by anyone without proof, then no one would have know what is or isn't true.

digerati · Jan 14, 2004, 11:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by zerodamage
I apoligize if my first post came off that way. My point with the comment about he making it up was just to make the point that with these types of claims being made by anyone without proof, then no one would have know what is or isn't true.

Bluelight left quite a while ago, but as I recall he didn't make any random and unfounded claims, so I gladly welcome him back, nothing wront with a lefty who has reason for his views.

zerodamage · Jan 14, 2004, 11:57 PM

I have nothing against a leftists views. I do expect facts and proof of such claims though. They are not the type of claims you just make and expect everyone to believe without proof.

digerati · Jan 15, 2004, 12:10 AM

I saw more slandering of Bush as Hitler rather than Germany as Nazis.

~~bluelight~~ · Jan 15, 2004, 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by zerodamage
I have nothing against a leftists views. I do expect facts and proof of such claims though. They are not the type of claims you just make and expect everyone to believe without proof.

That depends on what you say.If every post here was attached with "proof" you would have to double your webspace for hosting this site.

Further more my claim is just as true as the claim made in this thread that leftwing people characterize Bush in comic images as nazi or similar.I do not subscribe to the idea of rethorics used in this way.

Never the less ...during the time just before and also after the invasion of Kuwait European leaders was pictured in sarcastic ways in (some) Us media with Nazi clothing or other nazi symbolic`s.

Members of your administration even suggested a boycott against (above all) French products for bot applying to Busg dictates about how to handle Iraq.This helped raising the temperature even further.
None of it helped to solve the situation but of course it showed on what level things were happening.

Some of those images or feverish articles were linked to here and on other boards i visit.They were hardly linked to by Europeans...or by any other people than Bush supporters.

And how do i proove that?

I dont.I was here.I read them.Thats all i need.Now i can be pain in the ass to some...but i do not resort to claiming Bush is a Nazi.He is not.He is a corporate righwinger.

Bluelight

zerodamage · Jan 15, 2004, 03:35 PM

Dude, I do not believe a word of it. You keep refusing to post proof. You can convince yourself of it but you are not going to convince anyone else without proof to back up your claims.

BWX · Jan 15, 2004, 07:36 PM

I want to see some links before I believe it too.

digerati · Jan 15, 2004, 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bluelight
That depends on what you say.If every post here was attached with "proof" you would have to double your webspace for hosting this site.

Further more my claim is just as true as the claim made in this thread that leftwing people characterize Bush in comic images as nazi or similar.I do not subscribe to the idea of rethorics used in this way.

Never the less ...during the time just before and also after the invasion of Kuwait European leaders was pictured in sarcastic ways in (some) Us media with Nazi clothing or other nazi symbolic`s.

Members of your administration even suggested a boycott against (above all) French products for bot applying to Busg dictates about how to handle Iraq.This helped raising the temperature even further.
None of it helped to solve the situation but of course it showed on what level things were happening.

Some of those images or feverish articles were linked to here and on other boards i visit.They were hardly linked to by Europeans...or by any other people than Bush supporters.

And how do i proove that?

I dont.I was here.I read them.Thats all i need.Now i can be pain in the ass to some...but i do not resort to claiming Bush is a Nazi.He is not.He is a corporate righwinger.

Bluelight

The figures of Bush as a nazi were not made by the media, they filmed protestors and the protesters had big signs depicting Bush as Hitler, I was disgusted and wouldn't have minded walking through the crowd with a crowbar to bash some heads in.

~~bluelight~~ · Jan 15, 2004, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by zerodamage
Dude, I do not believe a word of it. You keep refusing to post proof. You can convince yourself of it but you are not going to convince anyone else without proof to back up your claims.

First ...and get this straight....

Im NOT dude! Got that? im Bluelight

If you adress me i suggest you use my nick.Nothing else.

Second :I dont have to convince anyone and if there is anyone single person on the internet that i am not interested in convincing then its you.

Have you got that perfectly clear?

Bluelight

~~bluelight~~ · Jan 15, 2004, 09:11 PM

I changed my mind

Here`s one funny RELEVANT picture for you.

The RELEVANT picture shows Saddam Hussein FUCKING THE ASS (sorry about the langauage but that is what the image says right?) of Chirac.

Now....it took me about three minutes of browsing old posts to find it.

Neon Cowboy...is he a republican? Well you tell me.He is neither liberal , left or anything else in between.

Now enjoy the RELEVANT ......FUNNY......picture.

Bluelight

PS.

Tell me if you see any.....any kind of objections from any righwing person of this board to the posting of this RELEVANT image ....or ..dont bother.There are none.

Enjoy!!

Relevant poilitical discussion from a rightwing US point of wiew

zerodamage · Jan 15, 2004, 09:36 PM

You are stretching really far on that one Bluelight. You probably should check your PM's before posting anymore on this thread.

As for that picture. You said there are pictures posted by republicans here that portray European leaders as Hitler. What you posted is not this. You still have yet to prove what you said earlier.

zerodamage · Jan 15, 2004, 10:53 PM

Ok, back to the topic at hand.

Jan 14, 2004, 10:35 PM	#35
~~bluelight~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,328 Rep Power: 0	People like you yourself will chew me up? A moderator?ÁFter i have posted three posts? You must be bloody joking? Are you moderating this board? Which is your idea of moderating a political section of a forum?Do you find it a good idea harassing members for their political wiews? Im not lying and you have the nerve to claim i am a liar?I have almost 1000 posts at this board although i havent been here for some time. It is obvious i should never have comne back. A board with a rightwing moron who takes it as his job to chew members.... No thanks. Jeff Fallang........ ( as i believe you will probably read this post)It was nice to see you again but it ended sooner than i thought. Im not staying here.I took enough shit from narrowminded morons last time. Aint wasting further time here. Besides "moderator" whats your problem with people editing their posts? Dont you allow that? Paranoid? You should get yourself something else to do.Before you do.....see to i that im removed as a member of this board. Bluelight Last edited by bluelight; Jan 14, 2004 at 10:42 PM.

Jan 15, 2004, 09:11 PM	#48
~~bluelight~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,328 Rep Power: 0	I changed my mind Here`s one funny RELEVANT picture for you. The RELEVANT picture shows Saddam Hussein FUCKING THE ASS (sorry about the langauage but that is what the image says right?) of Chirac. Now....it took me about three minutes of browsing old posts to find it. Neon Cowboy...is he a republican? Well you tell me.He is neither liberal , left or anything else in between. Now enjoy the RELEVANT ......FUNNY......picture. Bluelight PS. Tell me if you see any.....any kind of objections from any righwing person of this board to the posting of this RELEVANT image ....or ..dont bother.There are none. Enjoy!! Relevant poilitical discussion from a rightwing US point of wiew Last edited by bluelight; Jan 15, 2004 at 09:20 PM.

Jan 14, 2004, 09:33 PM	#31
~~bluelight~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,328 Rep Power: 0	Well you are a moderator here i see.You do not know me and yet you accuse me of being a liar. Looks like this place havent changed. People here and elsewhere especially in rightwing moron circuits posted "comic" images of European leaders as Nazis for not accepting your presidents warplanning. That might not suit your image of reality. To bad.I couldn`t care less. Bluelight

Jan 14, 2004, 09:38 PM	Thread Starter #33
zerodamage HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Virginia, USA Posts: 3,478 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Where did I call you a liar? I asked you to back up your claims with facts. You can not debate anything without facts to back up your opinion/claims. My point is that I do not know what media sources did as you claimed. I need to see this so I stay away from such garbage in the future. You need to expect to be called on these types of claims with facts when none are initially posted.

Jan 14, 2004, 11:02 PM	Thread Starter #36
zerodamage HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Virginia, USA Posts: 3,478 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Ok Bluelight. You are taking this personal and now attacking me. I am not the moderator of this forum. What I am is someone who wants the facts and search for them 24/7. Maybe you should not have come back here if you are going to attack me and call me a moron when All I asked for were some links to back up your claims. What I am getting from this is that you do not have any proof to back up your claims nor do you wish to discuss this. You would rather avoid any attempt to confirm what you say and throw a curve ball by crying wolf about me. Will not work, nice try though. I will forward your request on to an admin.

Jan 14, 2004, 11:08 PM	#37
*Veridian3* Administrator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Cloaked Posts: 5,028 Rep Power: 182	Bluelight, i'm not going to remove your account...having read the thread i can see nothing wrong with the conduct of any poster up to this point. If you dont want to visit then fine...dont. However i suggest you go take a deep breath and calm down...then maybe you can come back and post some links to back up your views. Now lets get back on topic... EDIT- spelling

Jan 14, 2004, 11:29 PM	#38
digerati Everyones life has worth Join Date: May 2003 Location: My Yellow Bug Posts: 3,779 Rep Power: 0	I do enjoy your comments here time to time Bluelight, and always welcome you back, but I do have to side with Zero Damage on this one, although his first post did seem a bit on edge to me it didn't warrant any personal attacks like the ones you gave him and even after all that with nothing to back up, this one has to go to him unless you can substantiate your claims.

Jan 14, 2004, 11:36 PM	Thread Starter #39
zerodamage HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Virginia, USA Posts: 3,478 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	I apoligize if my first post came off that way. My point with the comment about he making it up was just to make the point that with these types of claims being made by anyone without proof, then no one would have know what is or isn't true.

Jan 14, 2004, 11:57 PM	Thread Starter #41
zerodamage HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Virginia, USA Posts: 3,478 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	I have nothing against a leftists views. I do expect facts and proof of such claims though. They are not the type of claims you just make and expect everyone to believe without proof.

Jan 15, 2004, 12:10 AM	#42
digerati Everyones life has worth Join Date: May 2003 Location: My Yellow Bug Posts: 3,779 Rep Power: 0	I saw more slandering of Bush as Hitler rather than Germany as Nazis.

Jan 15, 2004, 03:35 PM	Thread Starter #44
zerodamage HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Virginia, USA Posts: 3,478 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Dude, I do not believe a word of it. You keep refusing to post proof. You can convince yourself of it but you are not going to convince anyone else without proof to back up your claims.

Jan 15, 2004, 07:36 PM	#45
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,669 Rep Power: 110 System Specs	I want to see some links before I believe it too.

Jan 15, 2004, 09:36 PM	Thread Starter #49
zerodamage HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Virginia, USA Posts: 3,478 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	You are stretching really far on that one Bluelight. You probably should check your PM's before posting anymore on this thread. As for that picture. You said there are pictures posted by republicans here that portray European leaders as Hitler. What you posted is not this. You still have yet to prove what you said earlier.

Jan 15, 2004, 10:53 PM	Thread Starter #50
zerodamage HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Virginia, USA Posts: 3,478 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Ok, back to the topic at hand.