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President Bush on Tuesday evening called for the renewal of the USA Patriot Act, the controversial law that has expanded Internet surveillance powers for police and partially expires next year.
Using the pageantry of his third State of the Union speech, Bush set in motion a battle over privacy and security that will continue through the presidential campaign and will likely climax before the law's Dec. 31, 2005, partial expiration date.
"Key provisions of the Patriot Act are set to expire next year," Bush said. "The terrorist threat will not expire on that schedule. Our law enforcement needs this vital legislation to protect our citizens--you need to renew the Patriot Act."
Now I am a Bush supporter, but this adds legitimacy to the efforts by our domestic intelligence agencys to peer even deeper into our personal lives without a warrant, and under the primace that is necessary for national security. This is troublesome to me, because as we get closer and closer to the false peace of biblical prophecy, this is the beast rearing its ugly head.

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BluntmaN

Well as I have said before the patriot act is the worst piece of legistlation ever it is unconstitutional and ripe for abuse. Apparently it doesnt work though I mean I am still at large after openly supporting terrorist ideas and being anti US all the time I am still in Glasgow and not in cuba. There is still hope but if bush is given another 4 years it will diminish. I dont really know who you could vote so that this will stop but definately bush is the wrong man to count on to improve political freedom and safeguard freespeach.

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Falstaff

media of all types have been illegally monitored and recorded for years, but now this lends some legitimacy to it. It is the mark of the beast.

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kemet64

I agree that this is a horrible piece of legislation.

"FBI and CIA can now go from phone to phone, computer to computer without demonstrating that each is even being used by a suspect or target of an order."

So they dont need a reason anymore basically.

They also set up more sneak & peak warrants,

" A sneak and peek search warrant (also called a covert entry search warrant or a surreptitious entry search warrant) is a search warrant authorizing the law enforcement officers executing it to effect physical entry into private premises without the owner’s or the occupant’s permission or knowledge and to clandestinely search the premises; usually, such entry requires a stealthy breaking and entering."

So they simply need to say that someone is suspected of terrorist activities and can go into the house, look around, without the owner even knowing about it.

Those are just 2 of the things that concern me with this piece of legislation.

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I recall living in Japan and working on the Naval Base of Yokosuka, absolutely every single piece of information went through a sophisticated process of examination, and when potential threats to security occurred, it was dealt with swiftly, people were sent away and many were discharged without due course because the of the sensitive nature of the work the base did for Japanese and U.S. interests. I was further shocked to learn from my former spouse, a cryptologist technician, that routine communication between average people and suspect entities are monitored as well. But I accepted that, in the interest of national security, I expected it. The agencies of intelligence and security in the United States have awesome powers, and perhaps gather every milisecond, data pertinent to their mission. But now it seems, that anyone using any type of media can and will be observed and recorded to gather data for statistical and strategic purposes. Eventually we all will subordinate our lives to the will of the state whether we agree or not.

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drakesteakn

this legislation just needs to go away. the govt must not understand that it takes our freedom that we atand for away. the more the govt. can do without our concent, the more they will take from us.

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bird chest

For now I am fine with the patriot act but after the third if it does not go away - assuming nothing else goes wrong - then that would be to much and as long as nothing else is placed on us then I am fine.

The_Neon_Cowboy

THIS IS TOTAL BS..... DOWN WITH BUSH... DON WITH Patriot Act... IF IT WASN'T FOR THE Patriot Act THE RIAA'S RECTS SCTIONS WOULD HAVE BEN HIGLY ILLEGAL....

they are stomping on the liberties many before us fought and died for!

"The terrorist threat will not expire on that schedule."
So he won’t the laws and removal of civil liberties permanent

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kemet64

Well, privacy is the next "big thing". It was civil liberties, then it was freedom of expression, it is going to be privacy issues. Most likely, this legislation will not pass. At least, I hope it does not.

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The ironic thing is,when we continue to use the dreaded communications devices like cell phones and such, and we insist on invading each others lives, it is only a matter of time before Americans might accept the subtle limitations of the Patriot Act and shine on the legislation that makes it easier to peer into our cars, our houses and our lives. I dont use a cell phone and never will, regardless of how sophisticated the encryption is, the government can understand it. I have nothing to hide , but all they have to do is plug in a few words into the screening software and the machine will comb out anything that fits those parameters, whether I am a criminal, terrorist of political bufoon or not. And yes, they do want to know who is downloading porn or not...FYI

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WarGun

Hey Jeff-- you ever see them UPC bar codes that are on almost everthing we buy- sell- or trade? Well theres a hiddin # on them... take a guess what it is?

So i THINK the mark is already here, its just a matter of placeing it on the world.

WarGun

Or is this just a coincedence or nonsence as some websites claim...well to me it doesnt look good on a product that is meant to be purchased or sold or traded for that matter

BluntmaN

Oh I remember this BS it hit Greece a few years ago I was trying to convince my grandma that the bar codes used in products have a pseudorandom number in them and not "The number of the beast"(What a song btw). The way they make them is not that obscure at all if you look under the bar code the big number is the exact number displayed in bar code. Now mate go and play somewhere else dont you know that computers are instruments of the devil? And also flouride put in drinking water has particles that make you sin.

I am the Devil in the machine.

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WarGun

Well i was just wondering why they like to hide these #s lol ill quote Dr. Phil on this one, people who have nothing to hide hide nothing

BluntmaN

Why would they do it? And who are "they". Do you mean that the UCC has an alternative agenda?
Btw ther is a simple explanaition for the tree double thin lines that you talk about they are seperations. You see the first number is special coz it contains special manufacturer info the five digits after the separation stand for the Manufacturers code. After the second seperation there is a 5 digit product ident code and the last number is a check number much like parity check or crc checks used in PCs to make sure the bar code is authentic and read without errors. So here you go now stop this BS about the number of the beast and go wear a sign saying the end is near or something.

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GutterPunk

We had a discussion about this in church... How they want to put UPC's so to speak on babys when they are born, so each person has a bar code... For a religous person this is absurd... putting 666 on your children....

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BluntmaN

I am going to start taking heavier drugs man.
Puting a Universal product code on babies whos going to be the manyfacturer the clinic, the mother or God? In america you have no police issued Ids and you are talking about barcode idents. Btw a bar code represents nothing more than a number or letters in a way a computer can read it fast. Isnt amazing how ignorance can be used by those clergy to turn your mind into clay? What is next the condom is the work of the devil? Ban rock music it makes our children worship satan? I know how about dance music has subliminal messages that are satanic. The folks that tell you this BS ARE Satan they slow down human evolution and should be shot on sight. As for those who actually believe them well it is about time to rise and get some ideology of their own instead of following semieducated priests who perpetuate lies and 2000 year old tales.

Finally who are "they"? The goverment? The secret cult of satanists? Who? Who the f@ck is going to so much trouble to give you satanic bar codes?

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GutterPunk

LOL.... .... Its just a religous belief, if you have read the bible, you would know 'who' is doing this. Its odd how 2000 year old tales have stayed so alive.... good reason for it eh? not every religous person thinks like that... conodom work of the devil etc.... thats irrational.... I was just stating an issue not to bring up contraversy....

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'Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns — the ones we don't know we don't know.'
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lol this kinda fits some of this tread dont ya think.

As far a shooting someone who has a little more to say on a touchy subject, well that was already done... except the guy who talked about the mark of the beast was'nt shot, he was nailed to a cross to get him to shut up.

Its a rough world man.

Ok im done now This is getting out of hand

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BluntmaN

Look man I dont really know what your religious beliefs are and I dont want to know.
This is not a religion topic so this is the last post off topic for me here.
Since you have obviously read the Bible why dont you share info on the subject who are "they"? Aliens, politicians, satan worshipers, the Scotish?

I can give you many reasons why it was kept alive in a different post perhaps.

True not all religious people are insane but saying that: "they" want to put 666 on our foreheads because if we have this particular number on us it does something to our souls. Well the wacko farm is not too far away is it?

On a final note I have seen many stupid beliefs being injected to kids in school (I live in Greece prayer and religion is in our schools). I have witnessed a priest talk about how the satan's son will be born by a Jewish whore infornt of a Jewish girl. I have been forced to learn about saints and god and how the beast is coming I have become quite the anti-religionist.
But what I will not stand anymore is to see the same irrational BS spread right before my eyes.

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..... what you are saying is not relevent to anything, as i said i wasnt there to bring up religious contraversy I was just bringing something up that went along with the bar code thing. Anyways religously it would be brought back to the kininites infiltrating the system, which are the followers of cain. thats is back in early biblical times, and are mentioned in end times where it talks about how they will be punished etc. Ur making a big deal out of this.... shouldnt be a big deal... I wasnt here to argue it was just to bring up some past comments about the upc

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BluntmaN

Ok man I see your point. Now any comments on Patriot act 3? This is the topic here.

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bocybo

I think that the patriot act is a perfect example of why Bush should not be re-elected as president...

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How about the senate who voted for it are you going to vote for them? and the house?

bocybo

IMO the whole bush administration needs to be replaced.

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That doesn't account for the senate and the house of representatives which both had to pass it before it was sent to Bush.

The_Neon_Cowboy

It should read





remeber most stuff the riaa has been doing etc. is illegal!!!!!!!! but was made leagal under the patriot act. The entire riaa would be setting in prison if it were for the patriot acts...


THE GOVERNMENT IS SEEKING TO INFRINGE ON OUR RIGHT INDEFONALY, UNDER FALSE TERMS, ANYTHING GIVEING UP THOSE RIGHTS AND PROTECTIONS, GAVE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE 0% EXTRA PROTECTION. IT IS MORE FOR CTACHING US CITZENS DOING THINGS THE FOR IT ILLAGENTAMENT WAY AROUND THE CONSITITUION, AROUND, THE BILL OF RIGHTS , AROUND THE LAW THAT WE ALL LIVE UNDER (EXPECT FOR THE FEW ELITE).


THEY ARE SPY CRAZY! no crap, beside the cameras they've put a;ll over town for (our safety)
how long till they put them in our homes for (our safety)...

The govermant is being power hungry and stomping on the values many have fought and died to protect!


I think I will vote this time around, and not for bush!


they draw us closer and closter to a goverment wer you have little rights and the govement in in every aspect of out life and homes. might as well make it a millitary govermaent, hell why not mix some comunisim in with it, why not? the gover ments allready full of corruption why not add a little more to the system that seaks to rule every aspect of our lives. When they step on even a single right they stp on us all for they weaking that right intill it not a right anymore.


bush wan't his tax cuts permenant i bet he want his patriot act permenant to, just keep extending and extending.....

some of the prvsion are sert to expire becouse they give the govermant way to much extra power! now they want the power permantly!


It's rumord the allready have had osama for well over a mounth, thier just waiting trying to get more legislation under the wire becouse after they get osama offically, thier basis and support for these laws will falter and people could get some of thier rights back...


we need to clean house on the goverment and our officals...
we need everything and i mean everything from bank acounts etc of offical so public you can read it in the daily newspaper!
we need of the people by the people
not of the few for the few specail intest groups that will line his pocket

beasically how it is on capitonal hill, congress, etc insten the best intesrts of the american people! but the politions who run it! they ofen will vote again thier own stance to get some one else to vote yes on a pice of thier legislation, how corrupt is that, they scarch thier own backs more then anyone elses

should be called pulic service jobs should be called, self service...

here is a ideas like in nascar, make the poititons wear emblems for each gruop thier affileated with, to make it clear

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who's the one in the blue turbine?..... what about a 5 star general?

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GutterPunk

My views on Patriot Act 3, we already lose freedom, you see it everywhere... the only place we are truely free anymore is at home... now if they can freely without notice monitor you in your home like that... it takes away our home our security, which is our main place of freedom, do what you want, walk around in your underwear scratch urself... now we have to worry bout people seeing this.... plz no

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I think everyone is agreeing with that. All I am saying is peole try and say it is all bush's fault and it is obviously not.