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~~bluelight~~ · Jan 29, 2004, 08:52 PM

Hmm...Im confused here ...enlighten a moron left wing european

Markius · Jan 29, 2004, 11:26 PM

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Originally posted by BluntmaN
The cat was not present it was a little white lie that got Johny out of trouble. Read it again a 6 yo can understand it.

yeah real nice, lowering yourself to insults. This is the first and last insult i will take from you.

GOG · Jan 30, 2004, 10:59 PM

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Originally posted by BWX232
Well if you guys trust and DEPEND on your government for everything like a welfare society, I feel sorry for you.
The ____ government (fill in blank) has only proven it is capable of wasting funds and squandering people's hard earned money. The only thing we (the public) NEED the government for is organized defense, a justice system and certain regulatory functions, everything else is better left to the private sector w/ common sense regulations. History shows this. The private sector of the US out-performs the government is every conceivable arena .
In general a society will succeed w/ less big government intrusion and control. People who believe otherwise are ignorant of the facts that any intelligent person can see throughout history.. Taxes are admittedly needed, but not any where near the scale we are being taxed today. The bigger a government gets, the less efficient it is. The US government is bigger now than it ever has been- if fact, just a small tax cut boosted the economy in just a very short period of time, even after 9/11 and a huge money sucking war going on. Think about it.

The amount of illegal aliens (about 10 million -is a VERY conservative estimate) that collect welfare and other government entitlements is also a HUGE burden on tax payers. The cause of this is crappy non existent border control, the one thing our government SHOULD be doing, this is further proof that if the government did what it's supposed to do, and only what it's supposed to our economy would be fine and everyone would have plenty of work. The ones that couldn't would have plenty of funds from a small efficient welfare system. It's all so simple, and that is what made the US economy the largest in the world, however in the last 50 years things have gone to hell and the US government is out of control, this is why we have most the problems we have. Special interest groups trying to run the government is another huge problem- it is all because the government is too big, too wasteful, and too intrusive. Higher taxes just adds fuel to the fire.

Your thinking is absolutely correct, the private sector is and will always outperform the government. You know why? The private sector is driven by greed, a very dangerous thing to mix up with healthcare and education. Private healthcare and schools is the best way to segregate a society.

bird chest · Jan 31, 2004, 08:42 PM

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Originally posted by GOG
Your thinking is absolutely correct, the private sector is and will always outperform the government. You know why? The private sector is driven by greed, a very dangerous thing to mix up with healthcare and education. Private healthcare and schools is the best way to segregate a society.

Please explain and notice bwx232 did say "w/ common sense regulations." You know what just give me an example where privatizing lead to segregation. I would like to point out that the asians in america the weakest politically oraganized group in the US has come to be considered equal through the private sector. They are not helped by affirmitive action or other such things. They have the highest incomes per capita and the highest home ownership percentage. So how under the government did they become considered equal because they thrived in the private sector. People higher asians and don't discriminate cause they are hard workers.

The government squanders 50 cents out of every dollar.

bird chest · Jan 31, 2004, 08:57 PM

http://www.asian-nation.org/affirmative-action.shtml

There is a source for ya.

BluntmaN · Jan 31, 2004, 09:31 PM

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You know what just give me an example where privatizing lead to segregation.

Privatization of Schools and health care leads not only to segregation but also leads to double standards. Most private schools outperform the public ones, the better the school the more the fees, so the rich get education and the poor (like the asian americans you mentioned) get second rate education leading off course to a second rate job that pays nearly enough thus perpetuating the problem. In health care we see it happening all the time in Greece the National Health Care is in so much trouble that the rich (or privately insured) get private clinics (500 euro a night) and the poor consider themselves lucky if they die on a bed.

BWX · Feb 1, 2004, 05:13 AM

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Originally posted by GOG
Your thinking is absolutely correct, the private sector is and will always outperform the government. You know why? The private sector is driven by greed, a very dangerous thing to mix up with healthcare and education. Private healthcare and schools is the best way to segregate a society.

Hey if the government is big enough to provide everyhting, it is big enough to take it all away. That is not a society I want to live in.

BluntmaN · Feb 1, 2004, 11:08 PM

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Originally posted by BWX232
Hey if the government is big enough to provide everyhting, it is big enough to take it all away. That is not a society I want to live in.

Well not everything BUT health care and schools must be free. And besides you live in a democrasy there is no meaning to all this fear towards the goverment. I mean I like living in Uk cause I know that if I get ill I can get a doctor within 2 days or I can go to a hospital where I ll see a doctor in minutes AND get the meds for free. I like the idea of public schools only cause they take away segregation and alow equal opportunities off course they wont work perfectly but at least all of us are in the same shit. There is no discrimination between rich and poor but this is a utopia I am describing. Private schools are here and private clinics are here too. The idea tho is to keep offering these services for free to all and if someone wants a second oppinion or a king sized bed he can pay for it.

BWX · Feb 1, 2004, 11:51 PM

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Originally posted by BluntmaN
Well not everything BUT health care and schools must be free. And besides you live in a democrasy there is no meaning to all this fear towards the goverment. I mean I like living in Uk cause I know that if I get ill I can get a doctor within 2 days or I can go to a hospital where I ll see a doctor in minutes AND get the meds for free. .

Well if I get sick I can see a doctor in 1 hour- and I am responsible for the payment, if I cannot pay I have to jump through hoops to get the government too pay for it if I'm not already on welfare- Hospitals are required to give you health care if you need it by law- they cannot turn you away because you don't have enough to pay for it right then, or if you don't have insurance.

Also every state has different rules for the things you need to do to qualify for assistance. I have to pay for my meds too- but if I have a good job I will have insurance to pay for them. I don't see how getting things handed to you gives anyone incentive to do better for themselves.

And why is it that everyone thinks that privatization of anything means automatic segregation? What the heck are you being brainwashed with over there?

BluntmaN · Feb 2, 2004, 01:56 PM

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Well if I get sick I can see a doctor in 1 hour- and I am responsible for the payment, if I cannot pay I have to jump through hoops to get the government too pay for it if I'm not already on welfare- Hospitals are required to give you health care if you need it by law- they cannot turn you away because you don't have enough to pay for it right then, or if you don't have insurance.

The problem arises not in normal sickness but in complicated cases such as cancer, liver and kidney failure etc.

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I don't see how getting things handed to you gives anyone incentive to do better for themselves.

Are you suggesting that free health care should not be offered so that people will be forced to work and make money? It is the most basic principle in human society that the weak are to be taken care off by the strong. Otherwise you take capitalism and turn it to survival of the richest you take humanity a billion years back and put basic social rules back to the point of cavemen.
Btw actually free health care is a political term there is no such thing as "free" it costs money to tax payers like you, like all of us but it is essential to our social wellbeing. Fair enough you pay taxes that go to wellfare for people that cannot work and it is a bit unfair but in order to have a free society the cost is well worth it.

BWX · Feb 2, 2004, 02:44 PM

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Originally posted by BluntmaN

Are you suggesting ......... that people will be forced to work................?

........................put basic social rules back to the point of cavemen.

............... it costs money to tax payers like you,.................

Fair enough you pay taxes that go to wellfare.............

It sounds like someone is trying to rationalize a handout- Free health care (for them) for EVERYONE is far from what you are talking about-- Make up your mind. I already said that there should be health care for people who cannot work -

Try staying on topic. Anything to start an argument about an entitlement society.

bird chest · Feb 3, 2004, 06:35 AM

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Originally posted by BluntmaN
Privatization of Schools and health care leads not only to segregation but also leads to double standards. Most private schools outperform the public ones, the better the school the more the fees, so the rich get education and the poor (like the asian americans you mentioned) get second rate education leading off course to a second rate job that pays nearly enough thus perpetuating the problem. In health care we see it happening all the time in Greece the National Health Care is in so much trouble that the rich (or privately insured) get private clinics (500 euro a night) and the poor consider themselves lucky if they die on a bed.

Asians have the highest employment, homeownership, and income of any race in the US. How through hard work. They do not have these second rate jobs you talk about. They out perform whites and make up for more then their percentage in every good campus. So it seams they have made their way in life without having to be hand fead by the government. It is not the governments job to save the poor is it exceptable to help a little bit I feel so. But I do not agree on programs that descriminate based on race any program. Their is a program in california that any kid in a public highschool that graduates in the top 4% will be put in a UC school. Not based on race but does help get the kids in some of the poorest and crime ridden areas into good schools without basing ti on race.

I would just like to point out Martin Luthor king fought for equality. Not a world where any race was ALLOWED to perform worse then another race and still make the same money or achieve the same things , this is racism just as much as suppressing that race. Equal opportunity is all he wanted. Everyone who applies to a school, job, etc... should be held to the same standards

BluntmaN · Feb 3, 2004, 12:20 PM

And the anti-racist rant serves what purpose?
I am not talking about racism I am talking about discrimination due to class. In UK and Greece (a third world country in many aspects). University is not for the rich kids or the 4% that graduate top of their class it is offered to all, let me repeat that ALL of the high school graduates that want it. Additionally in Greece university education is 100% free meaning vital text books that cost about $50-70 are given to all for free. The only discrimination is towards low mark students that are accepted by the not so good not so popular universities and this is a healthy discrimination.

GutterPunk · Feb 3, 2004, 06:14 PM

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Originally posted by drakesteakn
all Bush did was act on 9/11

not the others listed. so he just makes it look like he did.

Bush did more than act on 9/11 you never heard about most of it. We were in Africa and many other places before during and after. We had to pull out of some spots because of the lack of personnel and funds. Mostly we did get the job done

bird chest · Feb 4, 2004, 03:38 AM

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Originally posted by BluntmaN
And the anti-racist rant serves what purpose?
I am not talking about racism I am talking about discrimination due to class. In UK and Greece (a third world country in many aspects). University is not for the rich kids or the 4% that graduate top of their class it is offered to all, let me repeat that ALL of the high school graduates that want it. Additionally in Greece university education is 100% free meaning vital text books that cost about $50-70 are given to all for free. The only discrimination is towards low mark students that are accepted by the not so good not so popular universities and this is a healthy discrimination.

Agreed, but I feel you are going to far with the socialist stuff. The US learned its lessons and has fixed some problems with capatalism. But the truth is the type of capatalism we have now has produeced a huge middle class and the farther socialist we go the smaller it gets.

Its black history month in the us give me a break if I am a little over zealous with my racial arguments

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Raider1 · Feb 12, 2004, 12:34 AM

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Raider1 · Feb 12, 2004, 12:34 AM

500 ! woo hoo

Feb 3, 2004, 12:20 PM	#43
BluntmaN DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: I have no idea Posts: 229 Rep Power: 0	And the anti-racist rant serves what purpose? I am not talking about racism I am talking about discrimination due to class. In UK and Greece (a third world country in many aspects). University is not for the rich kids or the 4% that graduate top of their class it is offered to all, let me repeat that ALL of the high school graduates that want it. Additionally in Greece university education is 100% free meaning vital text books that cost about $50-70 are given to all for free. The only discrimination is towards low mark students that are accepted by the not so good not so popular universities and this is a healthy discrimination. __________________ 'Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns — the ones we don't know we don't know.' Donald Rumsfeld (And then they say that the White House knows what it's doing)

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Jan 29, 2004, 08:52 PM	#31
~~bluelight~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,328 Rep Power: 0	Hmm...Im confused here ...enlighten a moron left wing european

Jan 31, 2004, 08:57 PM	#35
bird chest DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 454 Rep Power: 0	http://www.asian-nation.org/affirmative-action.shtml There is a source for ya.