BWX

Lets' hope Hillary doesn't run for office ever.


You know, it is easy to forget the 'promises' that Bill and Hillary made while in office. It strikes home when it is listed like this:

After the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, which killed six and injured 1000 President Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

BUSH COVERED IT!

After the 1995 bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed five U.S. military personnel; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

BUSH COVERED IT!

After the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed
19 and injured 200 U.S. military personnel; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

BUSH COVERED IT!

After the 1998 bombing of U.S. embassies in Africa, which killed
224 and injured 5,000; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

BUSH COVERED IT!

After the 2000 bombing of the USS Cole, which killed 17 and injured
39 U.S. sailors; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

BUSH COVERED IT!

Maybe if Clinton had kept his promise, an estimated 3,000 people in New York and Washington, D.C. that are now dead would be alive today.

BUSH TOLD THOSE FIREMAN -- THEY WOULD HEAR US TOO!

And, now that Bush is taking action to bring these people to justice, we have Democrats charging him with being a war monger...

AN INTERESTING QUESTION: This question was raised on a Philly radio call-in show. Without casting stones, it is a legitimate question. there are two men both extremely wealthy. One develops relatively cheap software and gives billions of dollars to charity. The other sponsors terrorism. That being the case, why was it that the Clinton administration spent more money chasing down Bill Gates over the past eight years than Osama bin Laden?

THINK ABOUT IT!

It is a strange turn of events. Hillary gets $8 Million for her forthcoming memoir. Bill gets about $12 Million for his memoir yet to be written. This from two people who have spent the past 8 years being unable to recall anything about past events while under oath!


Sincerely, Cmdr Hamilton McWhorter USN(ret)
We don't want this woman to even THINK of running for President.

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Falstaff

tis all true, Hillary wont run, Carey wont win. 4 more years

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drakesteakn

all Bush did was act on 9/11

not the others listed. so he just makes it look like he did.

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Transparent

I dunno, the entire of your list seems to be hunting down/punishing/dying. Quite the morbid role to be a president, it seems. Not to mention the Clintions didn't put us into major deficit hunting down people.

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BluntmaN

The president is a good job you can push buttons that do things you get to play hide the cigar with your secretary and help dady get his revenge on the axis of evil. I want ot be president as well.

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Donald Rumsfeld (And then they say that the White House knows what it's doing)

zerodamage

First let me give you all some facts. Hillary will run in 2008. You can quote me on that.

Clinton IS partially to blame for the defecits. First part of 2000, end of 1999, there was data showing that the economy was slowing down and would sink if something wasn't done. Clinton did NOTHING knowing he was leaving. So Bush gets office, the economy is still sinking, quite fast actually. Then 9-11 happens. This is shortly after the first tax cuts and rebate checks. The economy seemed to pick up a little but not really, 9-11 destroyed that. US economy was shut down for nearly a week. So yes, that is the reason for the deficits. I guess Bush should have just not done anything about the attacks.

What bothers me is that many of you who say these things are not American, yet would support the same thing if your country was attacked. You would be all for it. And you want to know the hypocritical thing about this is....we would have supported you. Think about that.

BluntmaN

Ehhh zero I am the only non american here and I said none of these things my knowledge of the American economy doesnt go deep enough to make particular comments except off course of the tax cuts that 100 economists said were a waste of money.

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Donald Rumsfeld (And then they say that the White House knows what it's doing)

zerodamage

You have to remember, economists just like everyone else have a bias. On top of that, most of them do not have a clue as to what they are talking about. If the tax cuts were a waste of money, (that makes no sense at all really, that should be a warning) how come the American economy is going back on strong...? The tax cuts made that happen. It is common sense. Do not need an economist to explain common sense.

BluntmaN

Sorry my bad I am refering to the petition by the 450 economists 10 of which were Nobel Prize winers. They did state that the economy would get better but in the long run it will be extremly damaging to US economy. Btw if economists are biased how can you say that the US economy is going better? This assesment is also based on economists. And can you provide a source that says that the US economy is getting better I can't find an unbiased source.

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Donald Rumsfeld (And then they say that the White House knows what it's doing)

BWX

Yeah, I knew that, that's why Gore endorsed Dean, so they would make sure Bush got elected for 4 more years, yes everybody, Hillary wants Bush to be re-elected. She knows she will lose if she ran now.

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zerodamage

Wait a minute. You said that 450 economists said the tax cuts would make the US economy better but also damage it... That makes absolutely no sense. Now when you are talking about Bias? Do you think everyone of them will put bias above the truth and common sense? No, not all of them. It seems as though you keep changing what you think every other post. Please stay consistant.

Find a source that says the U.S. economy is getting better? I know you are kidding. You have to be.

http://business.scotsman.com/economy.cfm?id=99342004
http://www.forbes.com/markets/newswi...tr1226680.html
http://www.canada.com/national/natio...1-6df75da2e69b
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald...ws/7782103.htm

That took only 10 seconds to do.

BluntmaN

Ok can you understand english? D-O Y-O-U U-N-D-E-R-S-T-A-N-D L-O-N-G T-E-R-M A-N-D S-H-O-R-T T-E-R-M? Let me tell you an example: Johny told to his dad that the cat broke the vase and avoided getting punished (short term)but when his mum returned with the cat from the doctor she beat the hell out of him to teach him that lying is bad (long term). They stated that although a boost in US economy was going to happen through the tax cuts it would return to haunt US economy on the long run. Btw tax cuts have costs in a way since they mean less money for the goverment and therefore for hospitals, roads, schools etc etc. And although US economy is growing with big rates the momentum will die out and unless new jobs are created the US economy will be in deep shit. Hope it turns out well for you tho. Seriously.

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Donald Rumsfeld (And then they say that the White House knows what it's doing)

GutterPunk

bluntman this is like the first thing ill ever getta agree with you on... I think your right, and since Bush wants to make these cuts permanent it can cause trouble... good analysis

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BWX

D-O Y-O-U U-N-D-E-R-S-T-A-N-D L-O-N-G T-E-R-M A-N-D S-H-O-R-T T-E-R-M?????


Tax cuts = growing economy = LARGER TAX BASE, which meant MORE money for the government in the LONG TERM.



I take it you don't live in a capitalist society? It seems to work pretty well for the largest economy in the world, and how do you think it got to be the largest economy in the world? Big government and high taxes? I'll answer that for you - NO. just the opposite dude, look at history.

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BluntmaN

2001 tax cuts and why they dont work

Take back the tax cut By EPI

Now from what I just read the Tax cuts are not targeting low income people simply coz it would be wrong. The main objective of the tax cuts is to push the market to give birth to new enterprises and new companies. Theese will give off more jobs and increase growth in the long term. The growth has come already with US economy growing at 7.8% or so but the job market looks quite grim with no new jobs created. Now for the bad news if the growth stops and new companies are not created then the US economy will be in bad trouble. The deficit in 2004-5 will be at around 500 billion and the goverment will have to borrow money to cover that. Theese tax cuts are a one time deal that many economists say will fail after this the goverment will be in trouble and unless the growth continues for a few year so that the deficits are covered by taxes, as you say, you ll be facing a bigger economic recess.

Now will the tax cuts work? Will growth be big enough and last? We cannot really tell if it does well I ll be wrong if it doesnt god help us all (I hope the European economy can withstand).

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GOG

Tax cuts = Cuts in the medical, educational and wellfare funding.

GutterPunk

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. Btw tax cuts have costs in a way since they mean less money for the goverment and therefore for hospitals, roads, schools etc etc.
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agreed

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Markius

what the hell does that mean?
i really dont understand the second part of that comment...why would Johnys mother take the cat with her to the Doctor? and it doesnt explain how Johnys mum found out the truth about the vase either

Oh and on a side note, im a regular reader of the political debate forum but i dont post very often at all and i have read alot of your anti-american posts (wich is about 98% of your posting) and they are getting

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bird chest

This is one hundred percent true but raising taxes in the long run is terrible also!!!! The key is switching back and forth. Ask most economists and they will give you the same answer.

zerodamage

There is a serious need for Economic education here. Tax Cuts cost NOTHING. It like withdrawing money from your checking account and the bank teller saying you can't have it because it costs the bank money to pay the teller, redo the floors, etc. It is the same mentallity. Tax cuts generate revenue in the long run. It has been proven time and time and time again.

bird chest

In the short run it causes a defecit is what they are saying. Then if you leave the tax cuts to long the economy gets out of control and will as they said fail in the long run. However if you do not do tax cuts then business will be stifled and die.

zerodamage

No, tax cuts do not cause a deficit. What causes a deficit is over spending of the budget. In the case of this deficit, 2 wars after being attacked on 9-11. There would have been a deficit whether tax cuts were passed or not.

Let me add a little more. The thought that tax cuts cost something is stupid. Why? Because there is no money being spent on tax cuts. Tax cuts means less money going to government. The problem isn't the amount of money going to the government, it is the amount the government is spending. The People have lost their control of things. The big spenders in DC is the problem.

bird chest

Yes they do need to spend less I agree a hundred percent. However you do need to cut taxes and then raise them again. One option will not save the economy.

Falstaff

how about defense cuts and the pork..does anyone remember Graham-Ruddman...a republican cost cutting program

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BluntmaN

The cat was not present it was a little white lie that got Johny out of trouble. Read it again a 6 yo can understand it.

About the side note I am anti-american cause from day one in here all I have heard was BS there is no real debating here 98% of the time. If I bore you well sorry I ll try to get more interesting care to gimme a few pointers? Do it in a PM.

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Donald Rumsfeld (And then they say that the White House knows what it's doing)

BWX

Well since your whole argument is based on that, I will ignore it.

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BWX

Well if you guys trust and DEPEND on your government for everything like a welfare society, I feel sorry for you.
The ____ government (fill in blank) has only proven it is capable of wasting funds and squandering people's hard earned money. The only thing we (the public) NEED the government for is organized defense, a justice system and certain regulatory functions, everything else is better left to the private sector w/ common sense regulations. History shows this. The private sector of the US out-performs the government is every conceivable arena .
In general a society will succeed w/ less big government intrusion and control. People who believe otherwise are ignorant of the facts that any intelligent person can see throughout history.. Taxes are admittedly needed, but not any where near the scale we are being taxed today. The bigger a government gets, the less efficient it is. The US government is bigger now than it ever has been- if fact, just a small tax cut boosted the economy in just a very short period of time, even after 9/11 and a huge money sucking war going on. Think about it.

The amount of illegal aliens (about 10 million -is a VERY conservative estimate) that collect welfare and other government entitlements is also a HUGE burden on tax payers. The cause of this is crappy non existent border control, the one thing our government SHOULD be doing, this is further proof that if the government did what it's supposed to do, and only what it's supposed to our economy would be fine and everyone would have plenty of work. The ones that couldn't would have plenty of funds from a small efficient welfare system. It's all so simple, and that is what made the US economy the largest in the world, however in the last 50 years things have gone to hell and the US government is out of control, this is why we have most the problems we have. Special interest groups trying to run the government is another huge problem- it is all because the government is too big, too wasteful, and too intrusive. Higher taxes just adds fuel to the fire.

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zerodamage

You said in another thread that you are not anti-american. I think you need to start being honest the first time.

Falstaff

LOL, if we want to be real sticklers, Micheal Moore is anti american..
Bluntman, you should avoid gross characterizations and bring your arguments to a finer point. We have Swedish, English and other European posters with decidely anti right wing views and they dont lose their cool. I enjoy a good debate as long as there are rational arguments and facts to back them up. No one person here is perfect and I dont believe everyone will agree, even among the right wing constituency in the United States, we are not all so conservative that we have our heads in the sand. Some of us have been around a very long time and have swung with the pendulum of public opinion and endured terribly criticism from our left wing brothers and still we get along. Hang in there, I actually enjoy hearing from the left side of the world.....

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zerodamage

I would like to see more factual links posted to back up all of the opinions posted here. I would like to see consistency in people views here. It is this type of stuff that usually keeps me away from such debates, discussions, threads in general