Falstaff

The following is an excerpt of a CNN report regarding the new panel Pres. Bush will implement to sort out the whole intelligience faliure business. I am a die hard republican, but I cannot see any real progress that this commission can make in the coming months, when in fact the inspectors originally charged with finding WMD in IRAQ have accomplished one tenth of ther assigned tasks. Although many suspected sites for WMD identified in the past by the CIA informants have been investigated, over 90% of the country is waiting to undergo the same degree of examination. We missed Hussien for over 10 months while he lived in holes in an occupied area of his home town, I am a little concerned just what this investigation could turn up regardless of how thorough it can be within the next year. I actually forsee this process taking a great deal longer, and will not reveal much more than we know now, even after Pres. Bush is re-elected, and he will be re-elected...The democratic front runner will do his best, but he will not win this time, there are too many "balls in the air".

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raid517

Well I guess you can argue about poles all you want, but the latest ones I read put the democrats out in front.

Whether this translates to anything real on the day, is something both you and I can only wait and see.

It will be though interesting if Bush turns out to have been simply a brief aberration on an otherwise fairly reasonable American history. But then again, I guess the Republican Party will probably just be inspired to look for an even bigger Forest Gump type character, since they appear to have learned that there is something about this anti-intellectualism that appeals quite deeply to many Americans.

Who knows, maybe Bush will get more 'dimpled chads' to work for him than he did the last time.

GJ

bird chest

This was basically what I was trying to say in my thread but you worded it oh so much better. Good post!

Falstaff

just wonder what the second term for Bush will reveal

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Chaos

To me that sounds like you think Bush is going to see another term, I will be surprised if he does

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Falstaff

not me brother, he is gonna run, Kerry has skeletons in his closet and I am sure it will comprimise the election.

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raid517

Well just don't be so cock eyed sure that Bush will win is all. From everything I have seen there does seem to be a changing mood in the US. Whether this will translate to direct support for JK is just not very obvious at this time.

GJ

bird chest

I think kerry has no lasting appeal he never answers questions point blank. He is very fake and not very likable from what I have seen. If the democrats want any chance to beat bush I do not think kerry is the answer. However I do not think any of the democrats could beat bush.

zerodamage

Well if Kerry is going to keep releasing commercials where he personally says he is going to raise taxes, then he may well give up on the election now. He needs to quit using double talk when speaking about the tax raises and just call them what they are. Tax Raises. Only a democrat would run on such a stupid idea. "Vote for me, I will raise your taxes"

BWX

That is an ignorant view of the situation.

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zerodamage

It is typical of the Bush haters. The man is from Texas and has that look and people stereotype him. So the crap about he being stupid and blah blah. I just over look it. Some people can't get over 2000.

zerodamage

Not the latest one I've seen.

You can read more about the poll here

BWX

Bush Over Democrats
54% to 35 over Dean
53% to 36 over Clinton
53% to 34 over Clark
50% to 37 over Edwards
47% to 43 over Kerry

I was just going to post a link to this too, I saw it on TV earlier today.
I guess Bush/Republican haters can keep dreaming until 2008.

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zerodamage

well these numbers can change on a dime. But if Kerry keeps admitting he is going to raise taxes, then Bush will be a shoe in.

raid517

Lol, no it isn't. What it is though is a deliberate dig in the ribs. In any case if Forrest Gump did stand I'm sure all you republicans would rush to vote him in. I don't know why, but you seem to like your leaders to not be very smart. Maybe you like to vote for people that are dumber than you because your worried if you vote someone in who is quite smart - like for example Nixon was - he might try to out fox you. Whatever the reason might be, it's a case of the dumber the better as far as I can see.

And no your right, I really don't understand it.

GJ

BWX

Let me enlighten you. Your classification of a person being "dumb" just because he is not a great public speaker is also an ignorant view. (I am assuming that is your excuse for insulting him since you provide nothing to back up your claims)

He went to Harvard right? Where do you go to college? If everyone in the world that was not a great public speaker was "dumb", or "stupid", then there would be allot of people with 190+ IQ's that you would say are stupid.. I think it's a COP-OUT. You just want to think what you want to think and that's it, not based on facts at all.

Most of the time people who put down and insult others are just doing it to make themselves feel better about their own inadequacies. It's called low self esteem, and lashing out against others is a telltale sign. Maybe if you went and took a psychology course you'd understand it a bit better. If you can't do that, just go read a book about it, I'm sure you'll be able to find something that will enlighten you on the subject.

Arguing by lowering yourself to the point of name calling is the sign of a person who knows they are defeated and have no other recourse, so I guess I'll take your insults the same way I would someone waving a white flag. You're all out of ammo, you have no further points to make, so you just start throwing insults. Typical. That form of "debate" is however characteristic of people who don't like Bush or Republicans though, so I guess it goes with the territory.

Do you think former Pres. Reagan was "dumb"too? Do you thing Bill O'reilly is "dumb" because you don't agree with him on some views? He is one of a multitude of people who have spoken to Pres. Bush and in his opinion, like most other people that look beyond his occasionally misspoken word, is that Pres. Bush is a very bright, intelligent individual who just doesn't happen to be the most gifted when it comes to public speaking. Not that he doesn't get his point across, that's not what I'm saying at all because he does.

Furthermore an intelligent person would rather have a leader that is honest and forthcoming rather than one that is a liar and untrustworthy such as Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Nixon, Saddam, and all your other political heroes. That is in fact one of the things those "leaders" have in common, they are untrustworthy- see a pattern?

So go ahead and take the low road, take the cheap shot. Go ahead and insult him, it just proves you have no other valid arguments to back up your false claims.

It also makes proving you wrong a much easier job, thanks

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raid517

Well I'm sorry but I just plumb cannot be assed to read that (probable) tirade of hogwash. If I insult someone it is generally because I plumb don't like them, not because I have run out of arguments. It also gives me some considerable pleasure to come here and rattle your cages once and a while. It's an easy and fun thing to do.

Besides which friking Nixon and Saddam are not my heroes you pompas runt (I originally thought of words that rhymed with these) so quit putting words in my mouth. I don't know what you think gives you the right to presume.

The only comment I made about Nixon was that he was relatively clever compared to modern standards.

Undoubtedly he was morally bankrupt. But he didn't earn his reputation as 'tricky Dicky' undeserving.

You ought to read up on your own history once in a while. It makes for interesting reading.

As for my own educational credentials, I studied physics and engineering at Durham university in the UK - which along side Oxford and Cambridge is among the top three Universities in the country.

Of course I didn't have a rich and powerful Senator as my father - and I wasn't born with any kind of silver spoon in my mouth. What I did I did on my own. Can the same be said for George Bush? If he had come from some poor Mid Western family, with no rich and powerful contacts that can help him pull the right strings, would he really still have gone to Harvard and then one day gone on to become president? Call me a skeptic if you want, but somehow I doubt that.

What gets me about Bush is his arguments against intellectualism.

When you argue against evolution, the environment, stem cell research, aids prevention, the lowering of water purification standards and the growing litany of ignorant absurdities that this guy spouts almost every day, it is hard for anyone who has taken a keen interest in these topics to find anything to like.

And if what I have said isn't enough for you, take a look at this site: http://www.house.gov/reform/min/politicsandscience/ Clearly your beloved Bush it intent on turning the world of science on its head - and like some medieval Pope, he is ripping pages out of countless years of research, because he finds it inconvenient and does not want the American people to be influenced by it.

And if that my friend is not anti-intellectualism, then I will eat my hat.

GJ

crapman777

well Bush is undoubtably a man playing for his own political career, but then who isnt, here in australia after prime minister Howard decided to support Bush he can now no longer back down, they have dug themselves a big hole after uncovering very little. The main disgrace about Bush is he, as has been done countless times before, is trying to impose a democracy upon a country that cannot sustain one. Iraq is a divided nation and with the downfall of its leader no doubt there will be another Hussein in the wings, or some warlord bent on ruling and fighting. One problem leads to another, and the only good thing to come out of this war has been to show up the weaknesses within our so called, civilised society. As if War was a last resort here... the UN barely had a chance to act, once again the US has tried to impose its own "ideas" upon others. There can be no good from this...

This is just my opinion

zerodamage

What I perceive from your post here is typical anti-Bush. There isn't anything positive about Bush that will phase you. You just hate the man with such rabbid hatred that nothing else matters. The man dispite his poor speaking skills, which have greatly improved over the past couple of years, is a very intelligent man. Anyone not blinded by pure hatred can see that. I hope one day that you let go of the hatred and see that for yourself.

BWX

Yeah, I bet the truth hurts doesn't it. I guess you would rather look the other way rather than face the facts.
Ok, like I believe you didn't read it, no I think you just want to disregard it, so you tell me you didn't read it.
Well, if you didn't read it, why did you day the the things quoted below?

Hmm lets see... Lying, name calling, throwing insults, refusing back up accusations with facts, loosing one's cool- It all sounds like a man defeated to me.




Tsk tsk tsk now.... deep breaths, just take deep breaths- I wouldn't want you to blow a gasket or pop a vessel.

For your info- You rattled no cage here -DUDE.




But wait. what's this?

Name calling again? You just cannot seem to make a post without an insult attached.
Again, more hot air, no facts to back any of the false claims.

It is obviously an attempt in vain to have a mature, intelligent conversation with you.




Jealousy is an unhealthy emotion.
I'll leave you alone now so you can be more comfortable in your Bush-hatred, maybe some other Bush haters can come comfort you in your time of need..

I'll pray for you.

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BWX

Do you take your hat with horseradish or vinegar?

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zerodamage

Off topic and too much flaming. Closed.