New amendment proposed......

raid517 · Mar 4, 2004, 09:13 AM

They are not genetic books as such lol - they are books designed for the ordinary reader and are written in clear and simple terms. They are designed to make people aware of the issues and they do this in a clear factual and entertaining way.

How can you know that any conviction you hold to God or to anything else is valid, if you are unaware of just what the opposing arguments are? By 2015 the world could end, or you, or I could die. Who was it that said, the only thing to fear is the truth itself?

Perhaps this holds true in this instance, perhaps you are a little afraid of what you might learn - and that all those comfortable notions that you hold might very easily be dispelled?

In any case whatever you decide, my offer holds. If you read one of these books and it doesn't utterly change your life and your perspective on almost everything that you previously imagined or felt, then I will refund 4 times the books value including any postage costs that you may have incurred as a result of buying it. This way you will loose nothing - and will stand to gain so much more.

The truth as they say is 'out there' - it may not quite be everything that you would want it to be; not as kind, not as pristine, not as forgiving - but it is out there for anyone who is prepared to read.

People usually make up their minds on most things by their mid twenties - I can only hope you choose to search before finally you close you mind and seek to comfort yourself with only the things that you think you know.

GJ

digerati · Mar 4, 2004, 09:16 AM

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Originally posted by raid517
They are not genetic books as such lol - they are books designed for the ordinary reader and are written in clear and simple terms. They are designed to make people aware of the issues and they do this in a clear factual and entertaining way.

How can you know that any conviction you hold to God or to anything else is valid, if you are unaware of just what the opposing arguments are? By 2015 the world could end, or you, or I could die. Who was it that said, the only thing to fear is the truth itself?

Perhaps this holds true in this instance, perhaps you are a little afraid of what you might learn - and that all those comfortable notions that you hold might very easily be dispelled?

In any case whatever you decide, my offer holds. If you read one of these books and it doesn't utterly change your life and your perspective on almost everything that you previously imagined or felt, then I will refund 4 times the books value including any postage costs that you may have incurred as a result of buying it. This way you will loose nothing - and will stand to gain so much more.

The truth as they say is 'out there' - it may not quite be everything that you would want it to be; not as kind, not as pristine, not as forgiving - but it is out there for anyone who is prepared to read.

People usually make up their minds on most things by their mid twenties - I can only hope you choose to search before finally you close you mind and seek to comfort yourself with only the things that you think you know.

GJ

My view of life is simple. I see, I hear, I touch, I smell, I taste, and I feel. What I do is true, no one can tell me it's not, I can be wrong about everything else, about politics, God, anything. But I will always have those things to guide me.

bird chest · Mar 5, 2004, 07:29 AM

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/se...275060-7995355

I suggest a short history of nearly everything it is very well written.

raid517 · Mar 5, 2004, 07:53 AM

The link is dead. What is it? The bible? I already told you I read that anyway. Indeed I tried for a couple of years to understand and make sense of the things that it said - which I supect is more than you guys would ever attempt to do when trying to understand issues like this.

If it was the bible, it wasn't a very imaginative stunt. Read any other books recently I wonder?

If it wasn't the bible then I appologise unreservedly in advance.

Best regards,

GJ

digerati · Mar 5, 2004, 07:55 AM

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Originally posted by raid517
The link is dead. What is it? The bible? I already told you I read that anyway. Indeed I tried for a couple of years to understand and make sense of the things that it said - which I supect is more than you guys would ever attempt to do when trying to understand issues like this.

If it was the bible, it wasn't a very imaginative stunt. Read any other books recently I wonder? If it wasn't the bible then I appologise unreservedly in advance.

Best regards,

GJ

He wouldn't link to the bible, he doesn't like using it as a reference.

raid517 · Mar 5, 2004, 08:02 AM

Well I noticed that his Amazon search string had obidos in it - so a quick search of Amazon reveals:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...44059?v=glance

Maybe a coincience?

GJ

bird chest · Mar 6, 2004, 02:13 AM

I already posted I do not know why it did not show up? But the book is called "A Short History of Nearly Everything." by bill Bryson. It covers all the sciences in a non-scientific way. In a way that anyone can understand and he does it in a very entertaining way I suggest it.

bird chest · Mar 6, 2004, 02:15 AM

Hey Raid since you have a Phd in physisics can I ask you some questions about physics?

kp59583 · Mar 11, 2004, 02:33 PM

If the gays are allowed to marry then your going to have to allow polygamy also. Then it will be Bi-sexual polygamy, then gay polygamy. Lets also lower the marriage age to 13. Then we can also add 1st cousins to the marriage list. While were at it lets throw out the statutory rape laws because its only sex between to consenting people. What I'm getting at is if you try to appease everyone with a different lifestyle or agenda, this country is lible spit right down the middle.

digerati · Mar 11, 2004, 03:36 PM

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Originally posted by kp59583
If the gays are allowed to marry then your going to have to allow polygamy also. Then it will be Bi-sexual polygamy, then gay polygamy. Lets also lower the marriage age to 13. Then we can also add 1st cousins to the marriage list. While were at it lets throw out the statutory rape laws because its only sex between to consenting people. What I'm getting at is if you try to appease everyone with a different lifestyle or agenda, this country is lible spit right down the middle.

Your going to extreme, I remember hearing some KKK guys in interviews saying almost the same thing when the debate about interaccial marriage was brought up.

kp59583 · Mar 11, 2004, 07:38 PM

''Your going to extreme, I remember hearing some KKK guys in interviews saying almost the same thing when the debate about interaccial marriage was brought up.''

I'm not being extreme. Think about it polygamy used to be legal and if I'm not mistaked girls marrying at 13 or near 13 wasn't that uncommom. The people who support polygamy have the same argument as gays. People who think polygamy couldn't happen are just fooling themselfs. Once the door is open you can be sure that every lifestyle will dry to get there foot in the door. I'm not saying it will happen overnight but when you give an inch sometimes you end up giving a mile. I'm all for civil unions but not marriage.

digerati · Mar 11, 2004, 11:18 PM

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Originally posted by kp59583
''Your going to extreme, I remember hearing some KKK guys in interviews saying almost the same thing when the debate about interaccial marriage was brought up.''

I'm not being extreme. Think about it polygamy used to be legal and if I'm not mistaked girls marrying at 13 or near 13 wasn't that uncommom. The people who support polygamy have the same argument as gays. People who think polygamy couldn't happen are just fooling themselfs. Once the door is open you can be sure that every lifestyle will dry to get there foot in the door. I'm not saying it will happen overnight but when you give an inch sometimes you end up giving a mile. I'm all for civil unions but not marriage.

As am I. But polygamy used to be legal, not gay marriage. So the fact that they outlawed it says something as to what the general public feels.

bird chest · Mar 12, 2004, 01:56 AM

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Originally posted by ^_^
As am I. But polygamy used to be legal, not gay marriage. So the fact that they outlawed it says something as to what the general public feels.

Alchohol also used to be outlawed. Peoples opinions change.

Guidoo · Mar 12, 2004, 02:30 AM

I tried to find some reference as to polygamy ever being legal...the only thing I found was in Utah when it was still a territory. I dont think polygamy was ever actually "legal" in the US. Although I'm not entirely sure of this.

Alchohol/Prohibition was an oddball case. Many temperance groups(i e church groups) banded together and managed to push through prohibition. It didnt work very well, It created a huge underground and lots of money for organized crime. It's probably best to run like hell when a religious group suggests a Constitutional Amendment .

The more arguments I hear for an Constitutional Amendment banning gay marriage the more I think it's a bad idea. Most of the arguments being used sound just like bigoted arguments used to try and keep interacial marriage illegal. Some of the arguments sound just like a lot of the anti-civil rights proganda around in the 60's......

Guido

digerati · Mar 12, 2004, 02:42 AM

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Originally posted by bird chest
Alchohol also used to be outlawed. Peoples opinions change.

I doubt the majority of people wanted it outlawed. Was just a stupid prohibition thing. Look how long that lasted. There were so many speakeasies it wasn't even funny.

bird chest · Mar 12, 2004, 05:51 AM

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Originally posted by ^_^
I doubt the majority of people wanted it outlawed. Was just a stupid prohibition thing. Look how long that lasted. There were so many speakeasies it wasn't even funny.

Not to mention the violence caused. But the point remains the same peoplc change their minds

kp59583 · Mar 12, 2004, 12:11 PM

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Originally posted by Guidoo
I tried to find some reference as to polygamy ever being legal...the only thing I found was in Utah when it was still a territory. I dont think polygamy was ever actually "legal" in the US. Although I'm not entirely sure of this.

Alchohol/Prohibition was an oddball case. Many temperance groups(i e church groups) banded together and managed to push through prohibition. It didnt work very well, It created a huge underground and lots of money for organized crime. It's probably best to run like hell when a religious group suggests a Constitutional Amendment .

The more arguments I hear for an Constitutional Amendment banning gay marriage the more I think it's a bad idea. Most of the arguments being used sound just like bigoted arguments used to try and keep interacial marriage illegal. Some of the arguments sound just like a lot of the anti-civil rights proganda around in the 60's......

Guido

I found this on a web site. I didn't know there are organizations that are try to bring back polygamy.

In most of the world polygamy is an acceptable social practice and is never a crime. In much of the Western world, including Britain and most of the United States, the practice of polygamy is not illegal. As long as the marriages are not registered with the state, there is no offence, although there is also hardly any legal recognition of the relationship. In a few states, the bigamy law is used together with a "common-law marriage" law to define polygamy as illegal. These laws also tend to make same-sex partnerships and cohabitation by unmarried couples illegal as well. They are the subject of debate and are expected to lead to constitutional challenges in the US Supreme Court.

In fact, to be absolutely accurate, it is not polygamy, but bigamy, that is sometimes illegal. Bigamy is the criminal offence of registering a second marriage when a first marriage is still recognised. Polygamy can be practiced without breaking the law simply by registering no more than one of the marriages.Where bigamy is illegal, polygamy can often be practiced lawfully. This site does not support the criminal practice of bigamy or any related form of deception

digerati · Mar 12, 2004, 11:29 PM

There's also the NAMBLA. You know what that is? Man-boy love association. Men, wanting to have sex with, minors, boys. Are they going to get any laws changed? Heeeell no. Just because there's an organization doesn't mean jack.

NAMBLA was also put on America's most wanted.

Source: http://www.angelfire.com/tx/reachme/NAMBLA.html

kp59583 · Mar 13, 2004, 12:10 AM

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Originally posted by ^_^
There's also the NAMBLA. You know what that is? Man-boy love association. Men, wanting to have sex with, minors, boys. Are they going to get any laws changed? Heeeell no. Just because there's an organization doesn't mean jack.

NAMBLA was also put on America's most wanted.

Source: http://www.angelfire.com/tx/reachme/NAMBLA.html

Really, you could have said the same thing about gays years ago.

kemet64 · Mar 13, 2004, 12:31 AM

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Originally posted by Guidoo
I tried to find some reference as to polygamy ever being legal...the only thing I found was in Utah when it was still a territory. I dont think polygamy was ever actually "legal" in the US. Although I'm not entirely sure of this.

Alchohol/Prohibition was an oddball case. Many temperance groups(i e church groups) banded together and managed to push through prohibition. It didnt work very well, It created a huge underground and lots of money for organized crime. It's probably best to run like hell when a religious group suggests a Constitutional Amendment .

The more arguments I hear for an Constitutional Amendment banning gay marriage the more I think it's a bad idea. Most of the arguments being used sound just like bigoted arguments used to try and keep interacial marriage illegal. Some of the arguments sound just like a lot of the anti-civil rights proganda around in the 60's......

Guido

I think this is a really good point. On a debate several weeks ago, the person who was talking who was for anti-gay laws, the things he was saying was EXACTLY what was being said during the 60s...only rather than equal treatment among races, it is sexual preference.

Guidoo · Mar 13, 2004, 02:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ^_^
There's also the NAMBLA. You know what that is? Man-boy love association. Men, wanting to have sex with, minors, boys. Are they going to get any laws changed? Heeeell no. Just because there's an organization doesn't mean jack.

NAMBLA was also put on America's most wanted.

Source: http://www.angelfire.com/tx/reachme/NAMBLA.html

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Originally posted by kp59583
Really, you could have said the same thing about gays years ago.

With one major difference. The gay community today is pushing for legal recognition of unions(marriage)between adult members of the same sex. Not sex between adults and minors.

Guido

bird chest · Mar 13, 2004, 02:10 AM

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Originally posted by kemet64
I think this is a really good point. On a debate several weeks ago, the person who was talking who was for anti-gay laws, the things he was saying was EXACTLY what was being said during the 60s...only rather than equal treatment among races, it is sexual preference.

Notice how you said sexual prefrence. They prefer to love somone of their same sex. Thus they are asking for extra rights not equal rights. They could marry somone of the opposites sex it is just that they don't like it for whatever reasons.

Now following the same train of thought I am curious what if from birth I am attracted to horses should that be allowed cause in all respects it is the same thing as homosexuality and if not provide me with a reason why not besides one is a human and the other is a horse. I am not under the impression that there will ever be a law saying it is ok to marry a horse but I am just saying. The difference between a man who likes kids and a gay person? It is there preference. This is what I think about homosexuality that it is the same kind of mental disorder as the two above that I have said but it is becoming socially exceptable which I do not agree with.

digerati · Mar 13, 2004, 02:19 AM

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Originally posted by kp59583
Really, you could have said the same thing about gays years ago.

I could have said they were on America's most wanted for raping little boys?

Guidoo · Mar 13, 2004, 04:49 AM

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Originally posted by bird chest
Notice how you said sexual prefrence. They prefer to love somone of their same sex. Thus they are asking for extra rights not equal rights. They could marry somone of the opposites sex it is just that they don't like it for whatever reasons.

Now following the same train of thought I am curious what if from birth I am attracted to horses should that be allowed cause in all respects it is the same thing as homosexuality and if not provide me with a reason why not besides one is a human and the other is a horse. I am not under the impression that there will ever be a law saying it is ok to marry a horse but I am just saying. The difference between a man who likes kids and a gay person? It is there preference. This is what I think about homosexuality that it is the same kind of mental disorder as the two above that I have said but it is becoming socially exceptable which I do not agree with.

Actually your comparing homosexuality with beastiality and pedophelia......pedophelia involves abuse of a minor be it heterosexual or homosexual. Beastiality ...shudder.....lets not touch this one.....PETA may start breathing down our necks.....

We can bandy semantics as to whether homosexuality is a "preference" or "orientation"
I dont know if it's actually a mental disorder but I do believe that 95% it is a genetic disposition. The other 5% it is case of experimentation or even "lez be fashionable" . It seems in our society that lesbian sex doesnt carry quite the stigma of gay male sex. Quite a few young women today , mostly college age, try lesbian sex......in fact it's usually encouraged...not so much by the gay community but more by their heterosexual partners. Some even venture into it for the "cool factor" just remember that each generation has had it's cross to bear. The 60's ans 70's (mine) were free sex and drugs. The 80's were the punk rockers...the 90's brought tribal tattoo s , body pearcing etc.

Back in the old days if I preffered to love someone of a diff race would it mean that if demanded the right to marry that person would I be asking for extra rights. After all we love those we preffer , for whatever reason.
Be it hair color , height or whatever.

kp59583 · Mar 13, 2004, 04:00 PM

All right what I'm trying to say is this. Once the moral fabric starts to erode it will continue. You see it everyday. Something that was unceptable behavior a decade ago is normal now days. Things like this happen and will continue to happen because people are to complacent. They just want to hide in there own little shell until something like 9/11 happens to wake them up and by then its usually to late to do anything.

digerati · Mar 13, 2004, 05:44 PM

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Originally posted by kp59583
All right what I'm trying to say is this. Once the moral fabric starts to erode it will continue. You see it everyday. Something that was unceptable behavior a decade ago is normal now days. Things like this happen and will continue to happen because people are to complacent. They just want to hide in there own little shell until something like 9/11 happens to wake them up and by then its usually to late to do anything.

Who are you to say it's morally wrong? It's wrong for two people who love each other to want to get married?

kp59583 · Mar 13, 2004, 06:21 PM

I'm not saying whats moraly wrong. Society does that. Its been that way forever. When the society morals start to slip from what they were formed on then bad things can happen. Look at the Roman Empire as a prime example.

Guidoo · Mar 13, 2004, 08:22 PM

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Originally posted by kp59583
I'm not saying whats moraly wrong. Society does that. Its been that way forever. When the society morals start to slip from what they were formed on then bad things can happen. Look at the Roman Empire as a prime example.

The Roman Empire is but one example of what can happen when morals decline. But I seriously doubt Rome's fall had anything to do with morals regarding sexuality. Rome's downfall was the result of years of both a moraly corrupt society and a politically corrupt govt. Both Rome's people and govt thought they had the right to impose their will on others. Rome conquered , then installed their govt and religiuos/societal beliefs upon the conquered.....thus spreading their corruption. You see Rome didnt care that they enslaving others or raping natural resources...all that mattered was their comfort.....And that folks is what is happening in our world today.
Forget about the comparitive minor issue of gay marriage....worry and do something about real problems. The whole gay marriage thing has become way to large a distraction for some.

kp59583 · Mar 13, 2004, 11:14 PM

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Originally posted by Guidoo
The Roman Empire is but one example of what can happen when morals decline. But I seriously doubt Rome's fall had anything to do with morals regarding sexuality. Rome's downfall was the result of years of both a moraly corrupt society and a politically corrupt govt. Both Rome's people and govt thought they had the right to impose their will on others. Rome conquered , then installed their govt and religiuos/societal beliefs upon the conquered.....thus spreading their corruption. You see Rome didnt care that they enslaving others or raping natural resources...all that mattered was their comfort.....And that folks is what is happening in our world today.
Forget about the comparitive minor issue of gay marriage....worry and do something about real problems. The whole gay marriage thing has become way to large a distraction for some.

I agree gay marriage is a minor issue but you have to agree that sometimes minor issues turn into big issues by the way they pit people against one another. Yes but in the beginning Rome was the power house in the Med and then declined because as you put it they became moraly and politicaly corrupt. Corruption can start anywhere. Its like a person thats lives in pain due to a bad back because he doesn't want to go to the doctor. He gets used to the pain were it doesn't bother him until it gets worse and then he get used to that pain. But in the end he either has to have a operation or is put into a wheel chair because he didn't take care of the problem in the beginning. Its not gay marriage that bothers me its what comes after.

digerati · Mar 13, 2004, 11:22 PM

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Originally posted by kp59583
I agree gay marriage is a minor issue but you have to agree that sometimes minor issues turn into big issues by the way they pit people against one another. Yes but in the beginning Rome was the power house in the Med and then declined because as you put it they became moraly and politicaly corrupt. Corruption can start anywhere. Its like a person thats lives in pain due to a bad back because he doesn't want to go to the doctor. He gets used to the pain were it doesn't bother him until it gets worse and then he get used to that pain. But in the end he either has to have a operation or is put into a wheel chair because he didn't take care of the problem in the beginning. Its not gay marriage that bothers me its what comes after.

Corruption isn't a pain in the back you don't treat. It's turning a blind eye, or paying someone off to gain something. It didn't hurt them when they'd take the lands from the people they conquered and make it their own.

Gay marriage isn't going to destroy the fabric of our people, our nation, or our pride. If it is then you're saying Canada should be going down the shitter. Well guess what? They still have less violence than we do, as well as many other things. And they've had gay marraige legalized for a while, and they aren't destroying themselves with corruption or lack of morality.

Mar 5, 2004, 07:53 AM	#124
raid517 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,518 Rep Power: 0	The link is dead. What is it? The bible? I already told you I read that anyway. Indeed I tried for a couple of years to understand and make sense of the things that it said - which I supect is more than you guys would ever attempt to do when trying to understand issues like this. If it was the bible, it wasn't a very imaginative stunt. Read any other books recently I wonder? If it wasn't the bible then I appologise unreservedly in advance. Best regards, GJ Last edited by raid517; Mar 5, 2004 at 03:10 PM.

Mar 11, 2004, 02:33 PM	#129
kp59583 DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 121 Rep Power: 0	If the gays are allowed to marry then your going to have to allow polygamy also. Then it will be Bi-sexual polygamy, then gay polygamy. Lets also lower the marriage age to 13. Then we can also add 1st cousins to the marriage list. While were at it lets throw out the statutory rape laws because its only sex between to consenting people. What I'm getting at is if you try to appease everyone with a different lifestyle or agenda, this country is lible spit right down the middle. __________________ ATHLON XP 2600+ K7N2G-LISR 512 SAMSUNG PC2700 ACER DVD DRIVE memorex DVD recorder WD 80GIG 7200 HARDDRIVE AUDIGY2 SOUND CARD 4 FANS, ANTEC 350W PWR SUPPLY ATI 9700 PRO

Mar 11, 2004, 07:38 PM	#131
kp59583 DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 121 Rep Power: 0	''Your going to extreme, I remember hearing some KKK guys in interviews saying almost the same thing when the debate about interaccial marriage was brought up.'' I'm not being extreme. Think about it polygamy used to be legal and if I'm not mistaked girls marrying at 13 or near 13 wasn't that uncommom. The people who support polygamy have the same argument as gays. People who think polygamy couldn't happen are just fooling themselfs. Once the door is open you can be sure that every lifestyle will dry to get there foot in the door. I'm not saying it will happen overnight but when you give an inch sometimes you end up giving a mile. I'm all for civil unions but not marriage. __________________ ATHLON XP 2600+ K7N2G-LISR 512 SAMSUNG PC2700 ACER DVD DRIVE memorex DVD recorder WD 80GIG 7200 HARDDRIVE AUDIGY2 SOUND CARD 4 FANS, ANTEC 350W PWR SUPPLY ATI 9700 PRO

Mar 13, 2004, 04:00 PM	#145
kp59583 DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 121 Rep Power: 0	All right what I'm trying to say is this. Once the moral fabric starts to erode it will continue. You see it everyday. Something that was unceptable behavior a decade ago is normal now days. Things like this happen and will continue to happen because people are to complacent. They just want to hide in there own little shell until something like 9/11 happens to wake them up and by then its usually to late to do anything. __________________ ATHLON XP 2600+ K7N2G-LISR 512 SAMSUNG PC2700 ACER DVD DRIVE memorex DVD recorder WD 80GIG 7200 HARDDRIVE AUDIGY2 SOUND CARD 4 FANS, ANTEC 350W PWR SUPPLY ATI 9700 PRO

Mar 13, 2004, 06:21 PM	#147
kp59583 DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 121 Rep Power: 0	I'm not saying whats moraly wrong. Society does that. Its been that way forever. When the society morals start to slip from what they were formed on then bad things can happen. Look at the Roman Empire as a prime example. __________________ ATHLON XP 2600+ K7N2G-LISR 512 SAMSUNG PC2700 ACER DVD DRIVE memorex DVD recorder WD 80GIG 7200 HARDDRIVE AUDIGY2 SOUND CARD 4 FANS, ANTEC 350W PWR SUPPLY ATI 9700 PRO

Mar 4, 2004, 09:13 AM	#121
raid517 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,518 Rep Power: 0	They are not genetic books as such lol - they are books designed for the ordinary reader and are written in clear and simple terms. They are designed to make people aware of the issues and they do this in a clear factual and entertaining way. How can you know that any conviction you hold to God or to anything else is valid, if you are unaware of just what the opposing arguments are? By 2015 the world could end, or you, or I could die. Who was it that said, the only thing to fear is the truth itself? Perhaps this holds true in this instance, perhaps you are a little afraid of what you might learn - and that all those comfortable notions that you hold might very easily be dispelled? In any case whatever you decide, my offer holds. If you read one of these books and it doesn't utterly change your life and your perspective on almost everything that you previously imagined or felt, then I will refund 4 times the books value including any postage costs that you may have incurred as a result of buying it. This way you will loose nothing - and will stand to gain so much more. The truth as they say is 'out there' - it may not quite be everything that you would want it to be; not as kind, not as pristine, not as forgiving - but it is out there for anyone who is prepared to read. People usually make up their minds on most things by their mid twenties - I can only hope you choose to search before finally you close you mind and seek to comfort yourself with only the things that you think you know. GJ

Mar 5, 2004, 07:29 AM	#123
bird chest DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 454 Rep Power: 0	http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/se...275060-7995355 I suggest a short history of nearly everything it is very well written.

Mar 5, 2004, 08:02 AM	#126
raid517 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,518 Rep Power: 0	Well I noticed that his Amazon search string had obidos in it - so a quick search of Amazon reveals: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...44059?v=glance Maybe a coincience? GJ

Mar 6, 2004, 02:13 AM	#127
bird chest DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 454 Rep Power: 0	I already posted I do not know why it did not show up? But the book is called "A Short History of Nearly Everything." by bill Bryson. It covers all the sciences in a non-scientific way. In a way that anyone can understand and he does it in a very entertaining way I suggest it.

Mar 6, 2004, 02:15 AM	#128
bird chest DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 454 Rep Power: 0	Hey Raid since you have a Phd in physisics can I ask you some questions about physics?

Mar 12, 2004, 02:30 AM	#134
Guidoo Guido Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 134 Rep Power: 0	I tried to find some reference as to polygamy ever being legal...the only thing I found was in Utah when it was still a territory. I dont think polygamy was ever actually "legal" in the US. Although I'm not entirely sure of this. Alchohol/Prohibition was an oddball case. Many temperance groups(i e church groups) banded together and managed to push through prohibition. It didnt work very well, It created a huge underground and lots of money for organized crime. It's probably best to run like hell when a religious group suggests a Constitutional Amendment . The more arguments I hear for an Constitutional Amendment banning gay marriage the more I think it's a bad idea. Most of the arguments being used sound just like bigoted arguments used to try and keep interacial marriage illegal. Some of the arguments sound just like a lot of the anti-civil rights proganda around in the 60's...... Guido

Mar 12, 2004, 11:29 PM	#138
digerati Everyones life has worth Join Date: May 2003 Location: My Yellow Bug Posts: 3,779 Rep Power: 0	There's also the NAMBLA. You know what that is? Man-boy love association. Men, wanting to have sex with, minors, boys. Are they going to get any laws changed? Heeeell no. Just because there's an organization doesn't mean jack. NAMBLA was also put on America's most wanted. Source: http://www.angelfire.com/tx/reachme/NAMBLA.html