Beware of the Greeks for they bare gifts

BluntmaN · Mar 6, 2004, 01:21 PM

I just read an article about Greek investments in the Balkans and I must say I dont know what to think.

Greeks bearing gifts

Do you think that economic conquest is an acceptable way of conquest?
Considering that we have issues with some of the Balkan countries like the name for FYROM is it just an innocent oppening to new markets or are we trying to take over their country?
Should this form of conquest be employed in other situations?
And finally do you think that buying politicians is a good practice or is it going to backfire?

raid517 · Mar 17, 2004, 04:22 AM

Sorry man.... This is a non American topic, so clearly none of our American members really give that much of a f@ck.

Kinda like the Spain thing. 200 dead - one of Americas closest alies during the gulf war - and not a single damn thread here even as much as mentioning it.

Now that sucks!

GJ

digerati · Mar 17, 2004, 05:11 AM

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Originally posted by raid517
Sorry man.... This is a non American topic, so clearly none of our American members really give that much of a f@ck.

Kinda like the Spain thing. 200 dead - one of Americas closest alies during the gulf war - and not a single damn thread here even as much as mentioning it.

Now that sucks!

GJ

That's just rude. Why the HELL would we open up a DEBATING THREAD about a terrorist attack!? I wouldn't even imagine opening up a 9/11 debate thread. I would have replied but I personally just do not know enough about this topic to open my mouth about it. Greece isn't covered extensively in our books.

raid517 · Mar 17, 2004, 05:48 AM

I just thought it was worth noting that no one had mentioned it. Oh and there was a TON of threads opend up everywhere about 9/11, with everyone expressing their sympathy. I just got the impression that this forum seemed somehow oddly silent after this attack.

GJ

digerati · Mar 17, 2004, 08:35 AM

Those threads still aren't debating. And I wouldn't post in those threads if they were in here. And it has been mentioned in the Off Topic Forum.

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/showthre...threadid=40392

mainman · Mar 17, 2004, 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by raid517
Sorry man.... This is a non American topic, so clearly none of our American members really give that much of a f@ck.

Kinda like the Spain thing. 200 dead - one of Americas closest alies during the gulf war - and not a single damn thread here even as much as mentioning it.

Now that sucks!

GJ

Its sad, but i have to agree...Americans just dont give a damn...if its not in America...they dont care...of course not all Americans are like that..but still...most of them are...please dont flame me because of this, this is just my opinion...atleast respect it like i respect yours...

Be good,

mainman

raid517 · Mar 17, 2004, 09:38 AM

Well why not talk about it in the political forum? After all it had devastating political concequences, both for the people of Spain and for the so called alliance on terror. Spain was a corner stone of that alliance - and now it seems that the Spanish people have decided that terrorism can be allowed to win - and can even make them change their government for one that now fully intends to withdraw all its forces from Iraq. In the whole scheme of things, this counts as a major defeat in the war on terror - as it demonstrates to the terrorists that they can win and can effect change through violence and through the use of bombs agaisnt large civilian targets.

Now if that isn't a political topic and isn't worth discussing in a political forum I don't know what is.

But then, that's just my opinion. Someone here once complained about all the Europeans starting topics on American subjects. It would be nice for a change if just maybe an American started a thread on a European (or any other national) subject. Maybe it's just me, but somehow I get the impression that that's unlikely to ever happen.

I could always be wrong though.

GJ

bird chest · Mar 17, 2004, 08:08 PM

I will just for you Raid

raid517 · Mar 17, 2004, 08:43 PM

Lol... Good stuff...

GJ

bird chest · Mar 18, 2004, 02:24 AM

Also I read your article but I have to plead to much ignorance on the entire situation. Because even though it contained a lot of detail, there is a lot of background that I am ignorant of. If it were not for this I would comment. You already schooled me bad enough on greece a ways back lol.

~~BMG_Cya=-~~ · Mar 25, 2004, 12:15 AM

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Kinda like the Spain thing. 200 dead - one of Americas closest alies during the gulf war - and not a single damn thread here even as much as mentioning it. Now that sucks!
GJ

So all American members of a PC enthusiast site should come here and apologize for the actions
of some Middle Eastern based Terrorists?

Man that is the about the stupidest s**t I have ever heard.

I think I mentioned that I hate politics, but that is just amazing.

Get a life dude.

raid517 · Mar 25, 2004, 01:06 AM

Man what planet are you on? Do you see anyone here asking for America to apologise for the actions of some terrorists? Please read the line back to me that says this - or even implies it. It was simply noted that when America got hit with a terrorist attack, the political threads were full of topics discussing it and its political consequences. But when it happens to another country - in this case Spain - not one American seems interested - which looks almost as though many Americans are too selfish and self obsessed to care about anyone other than themselves.

That in any case is how it looked - and it took perhaps two weeks after the event before it was even mentioned. I personally waited to see how long it would take before anyone did - and my impression is that unless I had eventually said something, no one here would have bothered discussing it.

Now if you can read into that that anyone here is asking anybody to apologise for the actions of terrorists - you are going to have to spell it out for me, because I'm afraid I can't see it.

GJ

bird chest · Mar 25, 2004, 02:26 AM

but he has a point if the people from spain want to start a thread they can.

raid517 · Mar 25, 2004, 06:23 AM

So if everyone else had ignored September the 11th and never mentioned it, you wouldn't have thought that Europeans (and everyone else) were ignorant and didn't care?

Besides which he hasn't got a point. He said someone asked Americans to appologise for the actions of some terrorists.

No one here said anything like that. So where is his point? I'm glad you can see it because I can't.

GJ

Mar 6, 2004, 01:21 PM	#1
BluntmaN DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: I have no idea Posts: 229 Rep Power: 0	Beware of the Greeks for they bare gifts I just read an article about Greek investments in the Balkans and I must say I dont know what to think. Greeks bearing gifts Do you think that economic conquest is an acceptable way of conquest? Considering that we have issues with some of the Balkan countries like the name for FYROM is it just an innocent oppening to new markets or are we trying to take over their country? Should this form of conquest be employed in other situations? And finally do you think that buying politicians is a good practice or is it going to backfire? __________________ 'Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns — the ones we don't know we don't know.' Donald Rumsfeld (And then they say that the White House knows what it's doing)

Mar 17, 2004, 04:22 AM	#2
raid517 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,518 Rep Power: 0	Sorry man.... This is a non American topic, so clearly none of our American members really give that much of a f@ck. Kinda like the Spain thing. 200 dead - one of Americas closest alies during the gulf war - and not a single damn thread here even as much as mentioning it. Now that sucks! GJ

Mar 17, 2004, 05:48 AM	#4
raid517 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,518 Rep Power: 0	I just thought it was worth noting that no one had mentioned it. Oh and there was a TON of threads opend up everywhere about 9/11, with everyone expressing their sympathy. I just got the impression that this forum seemed somehow oddly silent after this attack. GJ

Mar 17, 2004, 08:35 AM	#5
digerati Everyones life has worth Join Date: May 2003 Location: My Yellow Bug Posts: 3,779 Rep Power: 0	Those threads still aren't debating. And I wouldn't post in those threads if they were in here. And it has been mentioned in the Off Topic Forum. http://www.hardwareheaven.com/showthre...threadid=40392

Mar 17, 2004, 09:38 AM	#7
raid517 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,518 Rep Power: 0	Well why not talk about it in the political forum? After all it had devastating political concequences, both for the people of Spain and for the so called alliance on terror. Spain was a corner stone of that alliance - and now it seems that the Spanish people have decided that terrorism can be allowed to win - and can even make them change their government for one that now fully intends to withdraw all its forces from Iraq. In the whole scheme of things, this counts as a major defeat in the war on terror - as it demonstrates to the terrorists that they can win and can effect change through violence and through the use of bombs agaisnt large civilian targets. Now if that isn't a political topic and isn't worth discussing in a political forum I don't know what is. But then, that's just my opinion. Someone here once complained about all the Europeans starting topics on American subjects. It would be nice for a change if just maybe an American started a thread on a European (or any other national) subject. Maybe it's just me, but somehow I get the impression that that's unlikely to ever happen. I could always be wrong though. GJ

Mar 17, 2004, 08:08 PM	#8
bird chest DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 454 Rep Power: 0	I will just for you Raid

Mar 17, 2004, 08:43 PM	#9
raid517 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,518 Rep Power: 0	Lol... Good stuff... GJ

Mar 18, 2004, 02:24 AM	#10
bird chest DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 454 Rep Power: 0	Also I read your article but I have to plead to much ignorance on the entire situation. Because even though it contained a lot of detail, there is a lot of background that I am ignorant of. If it were not for this I would comment. You already schooled me bad enough on greece a ways back lol.

Mar 25, 2004, 01:06 AM	#12
raid517 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,518 Rep Power: 0	Man what planet are you on? Do you see anyone here asking for America to apologise for the actions of some terrorists? Please read the line back to me that says this - or even implies it. It was simply noted that when America got hit with a terrorist attack, the political threads were full of topics discussing it and its political consequences. But when it happens to another country - in this case Spain - not one American seems interested - which looks almost as though many Americans are too selfish and self obsessed to care about anyone other than themselves. That in any case is how it looked - and it took perhaps two weeks after the event before it was even mentioned. I personally waited to see how long it would take before anyone did - and my impression is that unless I had eventually said something, no one here would have bothered discussing it. Now if you can read into that that anyone here is asking anybody to apologise for the actions of terrorists - you are going to have to spell it out for me, because I'm afraid I can't see it. GJ

Mar 25, 2004, 02:26 AM	#13
bird chest DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 454 Rep Power: 0	but he has a point if the people from spain want to start a thread they can.

Mar 25, 2004, 06:23 AM	#14
raid517 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,518 Rep Power: 0	So if everyone else had ignored September the 11th and never mentioned it, you wouldn't have thought that Europeans (and everyone else) were ignorant and didn't care? Besides which he hasn't got a point. He said someone asked Americans to appologise for the actions of some terrorists. No one here said anything like that. So where is his point? I'm glad you can see it because I can't. GJ