Mellon

I found this browsing around for news. Very funny stuff and it shows how unreliable Kerry is.

The list is very very long.

the list

Guidoo

Checked your link, interesting read. I noticed at bottom of page..

Paid for by the Conservative Media Fund. Not Authorized by any candidate or committee.

The Conservative Media Fund is a PAC that creates and runs political ads to challenge liberal organizations.
Flipflopper.com provides creative, internet, and consulting services.

Try this link for a slightly more centrist bit of info.

Time magazine story

The link you provided, while it is funny is far from being the truth....much as the ads being run by President Bush and the 527 pac adds against Bush. I cant comment on Kerry's adds as I have not seen any of them. We would be far better off without the tripe being offered up by the far left and the far right. Unfortunately all too many people are swayed by the mountains of BS. Many votes are cast due to the BS instead of how well a candidate would actually do the job and represent those who elected them and even those that didn't.

Guido

The_Neon_Cowboy

Yep that man has tooken both sidees on every single debate...


no backbone ....

bluelight

Well he isn´t republican.

No need for anything more to become president next time is there?

Bluelight

zerodamage

Gudoo, dispite where Mellon's link came from, there is nothing there not true. Kerry actually has flipflopped on many issues and that site actually shows that. Time is far from centrist. They are as left as any media publication can be.

bluelight

Hardly since there is no such thing as a relevant left orientated party in Usa.

Bluelight

Guidoo

Zero if you think that "Time Magazine" is left wing the I believe your perspective is quite narrow.
I have often heard (usually from far right individuals) about how "liberal" the media is. The fact of the matter is that the major media outlets in the US are owned by major coprorations, like Disney, GE, Westinghouse and Time Warner. So I can assume from your statement that much of corporate America is "liberal". I have a diferent perspective..to me the media is worried about ratings because ratings=money. For example: In the time leading up to the Iraq war and during short few days it took our troops to occupy Iraq, the airwaves and printed press were filled with stories of WMDs possible WMD attacks , heroic troops and our militaries vast superiority. Not one major media outlet questioned the act. Not one questioned our pre-war intel. These stories had people glued to their tv. Later these same outlets reported that the WMDs did not exist, that the story of Jessica Lynch heroicly fighting till she was out of bullets wasn't "accurate". All of this was aimed at ratings.

As for flip-fopping...read the article I linked to. The site Mellon linked to does contain "true" stories....just not the whole story. Sins of ommission. Which both the far right and far left are guilty of. I don't give much creedance to organizations that are so blatantly politcally motivated.
I do give more to the major outlets, but find myself having to read/watch different reports on the same story to get a more accurate view.

Guido

bird chest

Man if you do not think certain media outlets have political slants you are in a dream world.

Guidoo

Oh...they all have slants....just some more than others. Also I must correct myself...in an earlier post I reffered to a link by Mellon as a news source....it is not. It is PAC (political action commitee)

Guido

Falstaff

those who served with Kerry are speaking out now, his platform as a war hero will no longer endear him to his constituents, like a Kennedy, he will be revealed by his past...

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bluelight

Yeah they haver released his papers.

They confirm that he was given the Purple heart three times.

They also released hundreds of documents of Bush serving "At home" , ...papers that dont even verify if he even actually showed up.

Which of course is in Kerrys favour.

Bluelight

The_Neon_Cowboy

why the purpale hart becouse her was "wounded" "presumably" by enemy fire woopy freaking do..
the guy gets a reward for not moveing or thinking fast enough or someone getting the drop on him.

Lets just put it this way they have handed out an afull lot of purple hearts... way to many

for exaple lets use DH, to be a gold members is someing the elite few so to speak... now if 95% of dh had gold medals would they be worth/ valued as much ? no!

I didn't see kerry getting no medals of honor or nothing. He was what? a u boat capain? ROFL


when come down to it a man who's served is a man who's severd and both treated well. only treating one more then another if they had given thier all (life) or commited some overly heroic act

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Guidoo

Your right Kerry didn't get any medal of honor, but he did get a silver star and a bronze star.
Guess he didn't spend too much time on his uboat after all.

Bronze star

Silver star

Guido

bluelight

He was wounded through service in the military IN VITENAM. That is why he got his purple hearts.

Bush did ( well did he or did he not... we still dont know do we at what ....pace...) do his time AT HOME.Most of the time he should have spent there is as far as i rwead ....un accounted for.


There is also things pinting in the direction that his alchohol abuse was already at this time nicely developed.

I figure that is the main difference. Between the two.......at...this.....time.

So i figure the bullshit about Kerrys whereabouts in Vietnam should stop there for anyone that i capable of logical reasoning even if it hurts not to be able to proove that Bush has an advance when it comes to his military efforts.

HE HAS NO SUCH ADVANCE.






So...where did the nice picture you had posted on Kerry go?? The one that placed him in comapny with a couple of the worst dictators?

Im disappointed because i was planning to post an exactly similar with Bush, Pinochet, Papadopoulos and, Mussolini..

Well ..next time i will.

Bluelight

The_Neon_Cowboy

btw. he was also given those purple harts for that becouse he was hurt thats my main point there.
heck i didn't know about the stars...

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ROFL He got the bronze and sliver star and 3 purple hearts from the one incadent that wasn't that bad ROFL... as they said on the new He cought a little pice of shapnel. both the bronze and sliver are the same doc's lol why are there two... lol

more then likely I'd bet that wasn't sniper fire but someone trying to get a good shot @ long range with a machine gun.. (wich is nearly impossable their in acuarte as they come) excpt mabe a hand gun but the range is heck of alot shorter.

anyways buy what u linked to i didn't see anything above the call of duty and that any other person in his place would of did.

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bluelight I dunno, but i din't yank it let me look I wonder if someone edited it out other then me.
or it's in another thread, hey i just grabbed it from the flip floper site at the top of this thread

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Guidoo

If you read through the records you would realize that these are actually 3 different occasions.

1st purple heart 2 dec 1968

silver star action feb 28 1969
2nd purple heart 28 feb 1969


bronze star action 13 mar 1969
3rd purple heart 13 march 1969


I'm not claiming Kerry is like a super-hero or anything.....but how many medals does a man have
to earn a little respect. I'll lay you odds that if Kerry's and Bush's records were reversed that you would be calling Kerry a draft dodger or something of the sorts and Bush a war hero.

Guido

The_Neon_Cowboy

but like it said it's all for like the same event
just becouse the awards weren't offerd at the same time
for all we know it was a claerical error wich they
had alot of in those days...

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bluelight

For the same event?

Specify.

Bluelight

Guidoo

Ok....now it'all a "clerical error"...lol

Neon your just too much...........

Guido

The_Neon_Cowboy

anyways keey thew away his medals after the war and protested aginst it. You like to thos his service to the country up , then you must also thow his DIS-service to his country.

This is on video tape interview with kerry back at the time and there are witnesses! now he's twisting it as kerry the flip flopper does ... but it's on tape no pass go mr kerry the lean my BS makeing machine.


Also key says not to attack bushes record of service in the natinal grard, then turns and said or lack there of.

so basiaclly he said dont attack bush and attacked bush with the same breath....


The guy is the biggest filp flopper I ever known or herd or read about. make when he gets a back bone i'll like him more.


ROFL i read the other day he ripped a rotator coup in his sholder when his campain bus stopped a little short ROFL I laughing becouse i've never gotten hurt on a buss even with it locking the breaks while i was standing walking towds the frount. Was kery seated? or standeing lol.. why do our canadates have to such physical wusses, old men. Yes the mind is important but so is the body. I know thier older but heck bush almost bit the farm on a pretzel rofl:

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bluelight

New York Times today.

I figure this pretty much sums it up and hopefully this total waste of time will end soon since it is a completley irrelevant discussion. I does in no way adresss what is going on...NOW..... and Usa is not gonna vote for a president retroactively in time ..(spelling sucks i know)






Bluelight
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Kerry Questions Bush Attendance in Guard in 70's
By ADAM NAGOURNEY and JODI WILGOREN

Published: April 27, 2004


ULTON, Mo., April 26 — In a day of piercing and personal exchanges, John Kerry questioned on Monday whether President Bush skipped National Guard duty 30 years ago, while Vice President Dick Cheney disparaged Mr. Kerry as an opportunist unfit to lead the nation in wartime.

Mr. Kerry had previously declined to join other Democrats in raising questions about Mr. Bush's National Guard attendance record. But during a contentious interview on national television on Monday, when pressed on whether he threw away his Vietnam war medals in a protest in 1971, he defended himself and attacked the president.




"This is a controversy that the Republicans are pushing," Mr. Kerry said on "Good Morning America" on ABC. "The Republicans have spent $60 million in the last few weeks trying to attack me, and this comes from a president and a Republican Party that can't even answer whether or not he showed up for duty in the National Guard. I'm not going to stand for it."

Later in the day, Mr. Kerry challenged what he called attacks on his military record from Republicans who did not fight in Vietnam.

"I did obviously fight in Vietnam, and I was wounded there, and I served there and was very proud of my service," Mr. Kerry said. "To have these people, all of whom made a different choice, attack me for it is obviously disturbing."

Falstaff

Kerry is just as bad as all the Kennedys in terms of skeletons in the closet, I cant ignore his desire to run on his Veteran status, such as it is. But Bush engaged Al Quaida, and the Repulican Guard, so he measures up much better than Kerry ever will. I cannot stand the milktoast Irish Catholic persona he wants us all to embrace, Kerry is boring, 2 dimensional and ineffective. Forget him, Bush for 4 more......wah hoo

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BiGBrOwNPimpsta

kerry's stance is so confusing and if i was an american citizen i dont think i would even vote for anyone. he needs a straight answer, bush has given straight answers but i do not agree with many of his policies and now the war has become useless.

kerry needs to make a clear stand with the war and we will see what happens.

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bluelight

Ok guys....


If that is so...give me some relevant info that shows how much Bush ACTUALLY showed up for his duties (at home NOT in Vietnam) during his service.

I mean if the skeleton hunt is supposed to continue then for credibiltys sake im sorry but you will have to produce more than so far concerning this.

Unless i see any RELEVANT info on this(why he didnt turn up at service (AT HOME NOT IN VIETNAM) as much as he should have from the Republican side i will continue looking on your efforts to discredit kerry for having actually FOUGHT with arms in a war which all of you normally look upon as an HEROIC act....as somewhat............questionable.Normally it is enough for you guys that a man has set his foot in a military training camp to be considered a patriot.Here is a dude that has been in ACTUAL BATTLE.

What is your problem?



It actually becomes quite absurd to see the way you use this when he has ACTUALLY done something you normally salute on every occasion you have.Defended your flag with a gun.

If you want to attack Kerry and be credible....please...dont do it on an issue where Bush himself hasnt got his back fully covered.

This is directed to ALL of you that does dances this "Kerry in Vietnam Waltz"

I dont doubt that Kerry has his "issues"..unfortunatley....this is not looking to be one of them so you`ll have to dig some more won`t you?

Bluelight

bluelight

No the problem is that he has NOT given STRAIGHT answers.

They have released hayloads of papers but these papers rise just as many questions as they were supposed to reply....and these questions.....have not been replied.

Furthermore.

Bush obviously had his dad buying him out of service in Vitenam.

Kerry ...was....in Vietnam.

Not that i give a damn where they were 35 years ago but it seems that this is the worlds biggest issue right now for some.

Isnt the presidential election supposed to be about politics?

It seems not.Seem to me it has become soapopera.

Who hads most to gain from that.....is evident...and in the long run..the invented pseudoarguments about Kerrys persona will kick back right into the republican campaign causing them to loose more from their million dollar ads campaign discrediting Kerry for things they normally salute.



Bluelight

Falstaff

KERRY is all the democrats have, and you know why, because, because he was the only one that could capture the post Clinton voters, but Clinton is no gentleman in any respect, he was a scoundrel, and those that voted him into office, the media and the minorities and left wing wackos are having trouble with KERRY too. Kerrys past is actually classified up to a certain point, bet no body knew that! Those that served with him actually know what kind of officer he was, and he does not measure up, not even with a high school hall monitor. KERRY will find that this will eventually destroy his bid for the presidency. He might come close. but ooooooooooohhhhh no, he is not going to get elected.

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bluelight

Excuse me ..Clinton was no more a scoundrel than what Bush is or was.Being the industry man he is ..the csoundrel businnes is built into it automatically.....It is based.....on being a scoundrel.No scoundrelism....at that level..means ...no business.If being a man that uses his power...well then they both are guilty of this.

As for their private lifes.....they both have their sacks full.Being a man of God does not change the fact that he was an alchoholic for years.

The point im making is that the eternal fixation on the "person" in your presidential elections is a total mess.

The ideas is what is important.The ideas should be represented by the parties as such..not their leaders.I vote for ideas when i vote.

Why are the campaigns about old underwear instead of what really counts?

Ill tell you why...because the campaigns are run in the same manner as you sell icecream or laundry detergent.

Today these products dont sell due to what they contain.They sell if you manage to persuade people through publicity.This is a well known fact.

This publicity can be set up practically no matter which way.

If..its done in an efficent way it will sell.

That is also why so far the Bush side has spent 60 MILLION DOLLARS for the campaign anbd it hasnt even arrived at the middle of it.

Kerrys side plays the game ythe same way but gets their money from other powerful "investors" hoping to cash in if he wins.

Who´s paying that money?And why?

They do this ..for profit nothing else.

And ...that has very little to do with free choice.



Bluelight

zerodamage

You guys are really stretching. There is nothing on Bush's Guard Duty. This has been asked and answered. This site is the only place I've actually heard it brought up again. Kerry's service in Vietnam is not what's in question. It is his behavior upon his return here to the U.S. that people are questioning. Kerry is just desperate, which is why he is attacking Bush right now. Cheney did not attack Kerry's service in Vietnam. He attacked his horrible voting record where he's voted to cut defense spending including but not limited to the Black Hawk Helocopter which is a very important part of the current war. His throwing over his medals upon his return. He has been quoted as saying they were his medals, but now he is saying they were someone else's. Then he is saying they were not medals but ribbons. He not only flip flops but also lies again and again. He makes Gore look like a straight arrow in regards to his lying.

bird chest

Really blue I do not think anyone will argue with you that Bush is more courageous then Kerry. Kerry served and fought in Vietnam which I respect him for. But when he came back to the US he disgraced himself by isolating the troops who needed so much support. That is what I dislike about him. Then he also makes no stance on anything and says dumb stuff like "I will cut the national debt in half."

bluelight

Who stretching i`t?

Those that thows shit on someonbe for having done something they would normally raise to the sky and praise....and that does so purely for strategic reasons?...Or me?



Answered or not...

Was Bush in combat in Vietnam?

I figute that is the core of the issue.

Now i suggest that if the republican side wants to remain credible theyd better stop pushing THIS pathetic issue cause it isnt taking them anywhere is it?

Bluelight