bluelight

The real world

Seems they are entering the dim zone from which you dont escape without counting the votes three times.

The_Neon_Cowboy

that funny this last week acrding to cnn was the 1st time kerry is ahaed in the polls

and i've seen the numbers allmost daily bush in the lead

and also the mention that a lage proportion are not voteing for kerry but against bush.... and the fact the the genral public is prerry dumb and doesn't see kerry is a retard

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bluelight

Well it didnt take for people to have a brain to get Bush into his seat ..

The important is that they are VERY equal in figures as opposed to the massive support Bush used to have before he messed up totally and since the torture business isnt finished yet and will even more reduce his figures when the whole thing is revealed..

Bam!...Kerry wins.

Bluelight

zerodamage

Funny, I've been following politics for most of my life and this is the first time I've ever heard of that site. I am skeptical of such a site.

bluelight

I have been following poitics since 1966 1967 and im not sceptic.


Bluelight

zerodamage

That is because you only go for what you want to believe and what fits your political ideology. I've noticed for example how the U.S. found WMD in Iraq over the weekend and not ONE SINGLE mention of it here. Is that because it counters everything you've been saying since day one? Absolutely. Everyone on the left and the rabid Bush haters have said "Bush Lied" over and over. Foot in mouth anyone?

bluelight

Well you should not be to sorry fort that but since you bring it up...

The shell you found is most likely more than 20 year old and stems from the time when your intelligence supplied Saddam Hussein with Iranian troop movements information.

Information that he then used to fire sarine shells on them.

Ok?

He killed thousand of Iranian ....that way...and it was known ..globally...both that you supplied him with intelligence and that he used this type of arms.

Ok?

Further more...The sarine..which always has a "best before date" is most likely in the same state as 20 year old conserved spinach today ...and thus...more or less harmless.

I never had any doubts that there would be the odd shell coming up out of the sand but this one s hardly what the Lizards led about is it?

Maybe if it is fired against London within 45 minutes as they said ..the Londoners could have some spinach stew?

Bluelight

bluelight

Another thing...Are you trying to tell me that your political wiews are based on some kind of universal truth?

Dont.

And ..yes ..Bush lied.

Even Powell has admitted that the information given about the WMD´s were deliberatley messed with to look as something else than the real situation. Just a couple of days ago.

Stop dreaming.Reality is reality and you have lost that issue for good.

With a bit of luck you might still win the elections but i wouldnt bet my last buck on it if i were you.

Bluelight

zerodamage

lmao. Please give me a source where Powell said that the information on the WMD's was "messed with". And please make that a reliable source and not some junk left wing site.

Reality my friend is that Bush said there were WMD's in Iraq, and they were found in Iraq. I've said time and time again patience was required when Saddam had so much time to hide them.

And on your first part, yes, my political belief's are based on common sense and fact. I do not let emotion and feeling cloud my judgement on matters of politics. Common sense is one of those things that can not be learned. You either have it or you do not. Time and time again those of you on the left will be shown that you are wrong. Finding Sarin and Mustard gas in Iraq is just one example of this. You all said "Bush lied, blah blah" and "Bush mislead everyone" blah blah ignoring the fact that the U.N. said the same thing as well. Now they have been found and you really have nothing to say to dispute this. You can NOT dispute fact.

bluelight

Well.......

Another thing...

Claiming that you as opposed to me..base YOUR POLITICAL WIEWS on common sense whereas i do not (that is what you are saying right?) is nonsense.

It is on the limit of being a personal insult .


"Common sense is one of those things that can not be learned. You either have it or you do not."


This part is of course in the context nothing but pure bullshit and a direct personal insult.


So..enjoy Powells statement.

Bluelight

bluelight

I read your post again...and yes your statement about having common sense it or not is a deep insult and im looking forward to your explaination.

Bluelight

bluelight

The UN said the same thing?

Same what?

One thing that is 100 percent sure and A FACT is that the UN did not claim that Iraq with 100 percent certaintey has got WMD´s.

Nor did they claim these WMD´s has the capacity of targeting foreign nations as far away as Britain within 45 minutes which ois what your closest allie Tony Blair claimed .His claims were based upon something penned down by a University student...handed over to him..by your intelligence.For this he has excused himself saying it was a mistake.

That is a fact.

Powell DID SAY that Usa HAD PROOF of IraqÃ* wmd´s.He said that at the most crucial point in the UN before the invasion..

That......is what Powell today says ...WAS bullshit and that the evidence given to him was "deliberatley misleading"

These are FACTS.

So...who gave Powell deliberatley misleding info? And why?

Well the amswer to that i leave you to ponder on.

Bluelight

zerodamage

Bluelight, you are trying to pull something out of nothing.
Here is the whole news article:

Bluelight, for one, you did NOT believe Powell when he first stated what he did to the U.N. Why do you believe him now? Because it fits your agenda.

I can not comment on the "deliberately misleading" because I am not privy to that information and he is the only one in the administration that has said that. Reuters has a way of taking things out of context and I will wait before commenting on that.

As for the rest of what you said, notice what I put in bold. Let me repeat it for you: "When I made that presentation in February 2003, it was based on the best information that the Central Intelligence Agency made available to me," he said.

To top it all off, WE FOUND WMD IN IRAQ.

As for your concern about me personally insulting you. Not at all. Just stating the facts.

bluelight

Man this dude is insiting on that i lack common sense...

Hmmm..do i report his post or not?


Yeah...i think ill do that.


Bluelight



Qoute one:

"And on your first part, yes, my political belief's are based on common sense and fact. I do not let emotion and feeling cloud my judgement on matters of politics. Common sense is one of those things that can not be learned. You either have it or you do not. Time and time again those of you on the left will be shown that you are wrong"


Qoute Two:

"As for your concern about me personally insulting you. Not at all. Just stating the facts."

bluelight

Done.

Bluelight

bluelight

"It turned out that the sourcing was inaccurate and wrong and, in some cases, deliberately misleading. And for that, I am disappointed, and I regret it," he said.

As recently as January, Vice President Dick Cheney cited the discovery of two trucks as "conclusive" evidence of the mobile labs described by Powell. But CIA Director George Tenet later told Congress he had warned Cheney not to be so categorical about the discovery.




As far as the article concerns.....

I have already read it three times from three different sources.

Reuters, New York Times and washington post so i dont need it posted another time .


What Powell IS TALKING ABOUT...are the TECHNICAL REASONS USA GAVE IN THE UN AS TO WHY THEY COULD NOT WAIT FOR THE WEAPONINSPECTIONS TO BE FINISHED AND WHY THEY HAD TO ATTACK AT ONCE.

You are wrong.

I am right.

Bluelight

zerodamage

Here is the full text of the question and answer. Not the cut and hack job of Reuters and the press.


Thank you very much for FACTS. The SOURCING was inaccurate and deliberately misleading. He is referring to those captured and information from sources that the information is gathered from. He is talking about those that the CIA used to get the information from within Iraq. Those who were no longer a part of Saddam's Regime who were purposely giving the CIA and other intelligence agents incorrect information.
No Bluelight, you are wrong. As you can see (if you are willing to see), What Powell said was taken out of context. Typical of the bias media.

My source: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4992558/

bluelight

HE is talking about the speech he made to the whole world in the UN in which he presented undisputable PROOF of WMD´s in Iraq.

UNDISPUTABLE PROOF that was the technical reason for Usa to invade Iraq without approval from the UN.

PROOF that made it possible to CLAIM that the invasion was IN SELFDEFENSE.

Nothing else.


He now says that the information he gave the UN and the world was wrong and that it was DELIBERATLEY MISLEADING.

Ok.


Bluelight

zerodamage

lol, no he did not say that. I encourage you to read it again. He said some of the "SOURCES" were wrong and some were deliberately misleading. No where did he say that what he said was a lie.

bluelight

Well...that..in the context were it was initially said....was a lie.Yes.

Whats more is..that Wolfwhack said just weeks after the invasion in an interwiew (no im not gonna look it up for you) "We needed the WMD issue to get to a point where kick off took place.

Yeah..A lie.

Thats right.

Why?

Because Powell (very reluctantly cause Powell isnt really in Rumsfeld or Wolfwhacks backpocket) said:

We have 100 percent proof that WMD´s exists.

That was the purpose of his speech.

To tell the world that WMD´s existed and that this was enough to form a coalition based on the UN and that through this the invasion would be sanctioned by the UN.

However..the plot didnt work.They didnt get a coalition based on the UN.They didnt get the escapade accepted by the UN whos members of ythe security council prefered to have the weapon inspections finished before a ny action were taken (very reasonable) and the 100 percent fool proof evidence was to thin for anyone to take them seriously.

And.....all of this is today so totally obvious (except for those with common sense of course) that Powell is forced to announce it publicly.

Do you seriuously thing he or his government would bother with that had it not been that they have to?

No hardly.Just as they would have bothered to send Taguba to this Bagdad prison had they known what would lead too.

Bluelight

zerodamage

lol. You are funny Bluelight. You claim something without posting a supporting link (Because it did not happen maybe?). You ignore the facts stated above. You folks on the left highly ammuse me.

bluelight

I am funny?


Well maybe that is because you ignore facts and lack common sense.

Which i figure by now is ok to tell you that you do since i haven seen anything written about the report i made.

You simply lack common sense.

As for the link...no i said i will not post it.I dont even remeber which magazin who interwiewed him.

It was the first major interwiew he gave after the invasion was done.

Now..i could not careless if you believe me..



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Bluelight

bluelight

Ahhh...Lets drop it...where heading towards a one way direction without exit..

Our whining is pointless...

Your right..im right..

Who cares? And seriously..i like you so why fight you for something as pointless as politics via internet?



Bluelight

zerodamage

I've been done. You were wrong about what Powell said, and it isn't your fault. You read a bias left leaning source (Reuters) who took what he said out of context. Just remember to verify sources like that. Always try to read the whole thing to make sure what is being quoted is correct.

If I lacked common sense, I would be a leftist.
I have never ignored the facts. Dispite the facts I posted here, you still claimed that Powell admitted to lying which he didn't do.
Oh well, moving on.

bluelight

Funny...you insist a third time that i lack common sense? Despite a reached out hand?

You do this a third time?


Well you may be a part of the administartion here...that gives me so much bigger reason to report your post.

You are harassing me.

Ill continue reporting this until i get a reply.

Bluelight

kp59583

Iraq is known to have manufactured about 800 tons of sarin between 1984 and the first Gulf war in 1991. A UN Special Commission set up to oversee Iraq's destruction of chemical and biological weapons was able to locate and destroy only 70 tons. The whereabouts of the missing sarin has never been established

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bluelight

So.... its done a second time.

This time i asked them to remove me in case they found it ok for people related to this site to claim that members that are not rightwing suffer from lack of common sense.


Bluelight

zerodamage

I am not on the administration here. You're being very hypocritical as well. Just above you plain and simply said "I have no common sense". I actually never said "You bluelight do not have any common sense." I said either people have it or they do not. Your assumption that I was referring to you and you getting into a fit over it means I must have hit a nerve somewhere. Any particular reason why?

bluelight

Nobody denies this.Nor does anyone deny that Usa gave Saddam Hussein got intelligence information from Usa about Iranian troop movements which he used to target them with aming other things Sarin.

Nor is it unknown that Usa continued their support for Saddam after his attack on the Kurdish village Halabja where 5000 mostly women and children and old people were killed with nervegas.

This despite that the US senate asked the government at the time to stop the support when the attack on the village became known.

The use of nervegas against Iran was also known all over the world at the time.

The support did not fully stop until the invasion of Kuwait by Saddam.

Bluelight

Asmoday

C'mon guys.....no need too act like a couple of kids in a sandbox, isn't this a place for civilzed discussion? Not a place for personal attacks....

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