The problem with politics and religion.

**dj_stick** · May 30, 2004, 07:12 AM

The problem is that everyone who has a view point on an issue thinks that they are right, and that every other viewpoint is wrong.
And when someone challenges that view, they feel that it is a personal attack, and then go on the offensive against the other person.
This is why there are so many religious/political conflicts raging across the world

Discuss.

kemet64 · May 30, 2004, 07:24 AM

Well, in debates, I do not take things personally. THat is how these....to put it nicely, flame wars start. I think you are right, however I often just laugh at things that are said, and just know that its only a debate online. If you let things get to you, then you will loose.

Anyways, yes, I do think that I am right, however, it is possible for me to change my mind on some things. But, for example, my political view as you said, is unmoveable. I will not change what I believe.

As for religion, I am agnostic. I just "dont know". I am not saying that it is impossible for God to exist, however I do not go to church and I tend to believe science/tangible things.

I do not think that the reason of all the debates around is that people are taking it personally....however I do think that effects some debates. Both in the real world, and in this forum. It is a shame, though, because it is those debaters who take things personally, and respond with personal attacks, who ruin it for the rest of the people who enjoy debating. But, lets not go off topic once again, heh.

So in terms of me, no, I do not take things personally and that is not why I do the political/religous debates.

Vampyromaniac · May 30, 2004, 07:56 AM

Well I don't think religion is a right-or-wrong type of issue, usually religious people think that way.
I think it's a little silly to get angry at all over something someone said on a forum to you.
It's like the most impersonal form of communication, you shouldn't take it personally.
Personally, I can't get offended or insulted by anything anyone says, I don't care about what people say in those cases.
As for the political stuff, well if people aren't going to at least listen to what others say, then there's no point in discussing anything with them.

mainman · May 30, 2004, 08:04 AM

*Off Topic*

Hope this one gets a proper end. Behave.

**dj_stick** · May 30, 2004, 08:07 AM

yes i hope there is no flaming here eitherâ€¦
respect other people's opinions
DON'T attack the person, attack the view constructively (if you say something is BS, prove it)
If someone attacks your view, don't take it personally, but defend your view constructively (again with proof)
If you follow that then this place will be much more civil, and maybe you can even learn from others

bird chest · Jun 1, 2004, 06:02 AM

but in here lies the problem it is hard to find a source that both parties agree is acceptable. Example I pull one from fox news and then everyone says find a non right wing news source. Or visa versa.

**dj_stick** · Jun 1, 2004, 06:04 AM

that is why you try to find as many sources as possible, to corroborate evidence and see which things are played up/suppressed

pr0digal jenius · Jun 1, 2004, 10:07 AM

yea...i usually don't trust anything I can only find ohe place, even if that one place is CNN or Fox or AP....i try and find it multiple places and hear ALL sides of a story b4 i make a choice onw hat i believe....and ym opinion is usually a compromise of sorts between the extremists of both sides

bird chest · Jun 2, 2004, 07:23 AM

yeah but if you are talking about a cotrovertial topic like the Iraq war you will only find articles for from the right and articles against from the left. So there comes a point where sources are considered bad because they may be moderatley on one side or the other. And I am not talking about forming opinions I am talking about backing up already formed opinions.

PoopyTheJ · Jun 7, 2004, 02:05 AM

People fight over religion because their not very bright and it's easy to whip the populace into a frenzy when God is on your side, Ala Catholisicm and all it's crusades. After all it's so much easier to kill someone when God tells you to.

May 30, 2004, 07:24 AM	#2
kemet64 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 457 Rep Power: 0	Well, in debates, I do not take things personally. THat is how these....to put it nicely, flame wars start. I think you are right, however I often just laugh at things that are said, and just know that its only a debate online. If you let things get to you, then you will loose. Anyways, yes, I do think that I am right, however, it is possible for me to change my mind on some things. But, for example, my political view as you said, is unmoveable. I will not change what I believe. As for religion, I am agnostic. I just "dont know". I am not saying that it is impossible for God to exist, however I do not go to church and I tend to believe science/tangible things. I do not think that the reason of all the debates around is that people are taking it personally....however I do think that effects some debates. Both in the real world, and in this forum. It is a shame, though, because it is those debaters who take things personally, and respond with personal attacks, who ruin it for the rest of the people who enjoy debating. But, lets not go off topic once again, heh. So in terms of me, no, I do not take things personally and that is not why I do the political/religous debates. __________________ Inspiron XPS Intel 3.4 ghz 1gb Corsair XMS DDR PC3200 60gig 7200 HD 128mb Radeon Mobility 9700 Creative Soundblaster Audigy 2 NX Logitech z680 Speakers

May 30, 2004, 07:56 AM	#3
Vampyromaniac confutatis maledictis Join Date: May 2002 Location: somewhere dark Posts: 5,974 Rep Power: 74 System Specs	Well I don't think religion is a right-or-wrong type of issue, usually religious people think that way. I think it's a little silly to get angry at all over something someone said on a forum to you. It's like the most impersonal form of communication, you shouldn't take it personally. Personally, I can't get offended or insulted by anything anyone says, I don't care about what people say in those cases. As for the political stuff, well if people aren't going to at least listen to what others say, then there's no point in discussing anything with them. __________________ *Digitalis 3.3* Athlon 64 3000 // ASUS K8V SE Deluxe // 1024MB PC3200 (2-2-2-10 1T) ATI All-In-Wonder 9700 Pro // 20" Dell 2005FPW (DVI) M-Audio Revo 7.1 + Philips Acoustic Edge // Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 320/16 Western Digital WD3200KS + 120/8 Seagate 7200.7 NEC ND-3550A 16x DVD±RW + Lite-On 52x24x CD-RW Antec Sonata case // 480W Antec TruePower personal bests \|\| Aq'3: 46796 \| 3D'01: 20461 \| 3D'03: 6336 \| 3D'05: 2677 \| PC'04: 4605 \| PC'02: 7691,9092,1250

May 30, 2004, 08:04 AM	#4
mainman Mr. Nobody Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: OmniPresent Nightwatcher Posts: 5,961 Rep Power: 69	Off Topic Hope this one gets a proper end. Behave. __________________

Jun 7, 2004, 02:05 AM	#10
PoopyTheJ DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,588 Rep Power: 64	People fight over religion because their not very bright and it's easy to whip the populace into a frenzy when God is on your side, Ala Catholisicm and all it's crusades. After all it's so much easier to kill someone when God tells you to. __________________ [COLOR=Blue]“Alright boys, let’s start her up and see why she doesn’t work.” - John Fritz "I aim to misbehave" Malcolm Reynolds ATI Catalyst Beta Tester[/COLOR]

Jun 1, 2004, 06:02 AM	#6
bird chest DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 454 Rep Power: 0	but in here lies the problem it is hard to find a source that both parties agree is acceptable. Example I pull one from fox news and then everyone says find a non right wing news source. Or visa versa.

Jun 1, 2004, 10:07 AM	#8
pr0digal jenius Delete Me Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 14,648 Rep Power: 0	yea...i usually don't trust anything I can only find ohe place, even if that one place is CNN or Fox or AP....i try and find it multiple places and hear ALL sides of a story b4 i make a choice onw hat i believe....and ym opinion is usually a compromise of sorts between the extremists of both sides

Jun 2, 2004, 07:23 AM	#9
bird chest DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 454 Rep Power: 0	yeah but if you are talking about a cotrovertial topic like the Iraq war you will only find articles for from the right and articles against from the left. So there comes a point where sources are considered bad because they may be moderatley on one side or the other. And I am not talking about forming opinions I am talking about backing up already formed opinions.