Nick Berg Video - A deeper look.

~~JoyStick~~ · Jun 8, 2004, 08:50 AM

First off...

I PMed ToshiroOC, and was approved

ToshrioOC - " It would be acceptable to start a new thread, but keep in mind that if it takes a turn for the worse with different posters attacking each other, then it will be closed, just like any other thread."

Be civil, and tell me what you think after reading what I have to say.

Ok - To start off, I will suggest that all who do not have a copy of the video at hand please go

http://www.removed.org/berg/

here, and download it (NOTE: The opening site does not contain any images of the video, there is a link on the homepage. The author of the page requests that you refer to the homepage of the "Berg" video, rather than link to the download link directly. So, just find the video, there's big brown text that says, "Click here for VIDEO!")

You may read the site all you want, but a lot of the information is not correct, so don't take it as the "gospel" truth.

What I want you to do is to watch the video.

Pay close attention to the hands of the "terrorists" and, take the color into account.

After you've done that, then visit this site.

http://www.removed/berg_abu_ghraib_video.htm

And this one

http://www.removed/fake_video.htm

And finally, this one.

http://www.removed/nick_berg_how_done.htm

Now.. I've watched the video more times than I can count (and I can count pretty high), and I have noted that everything said on these sites, though they are somewhat biased, is almost completely accurate.

The gun at the beginning, the terrorist in the white hood, is carrying a Galil assault rifle produced by Israeli Military Industries. It is quite reliable in most cases, but lacks the overall greatness that the AK-47 posesses, and thus, the arabs would have 2 reasons right off the bat to NOT use that IMI weapon.

#1 being that it is produced, and manufactured by their natural enemies - The Israelis, and #2 being that it's not as good in most cases, as the AK-47.

The decapitator that starts off has white hands, and is wearing some trendy sneekers, too.
The decapitator in the white hood, that, at the beginning, had the Galil takes over after the video resumes, and he waves the head around.

Also, the ring on the hand is highly noticeable, and apparently is against the Islamic faith. So, one could conclude that these diehard spiritual avengers would not video themselves and desecrate "allah's" wishes. Et Cetra et cetra et cetra, you people are smart, you can figure out the rest..

BTW - For those who did not know. Nick Berg is jewish. Also, the media says that he was flown back to the states via federal transportation. That is PROHIBITED for civilians in foreign countries. The states WILL ASBOLUTELY NOT transport civilians from one place to another, regardless of wether they're dead, dying, in pain, or just plain board. NEVER will they do that.

Also, the media says that the Berg family was not allowed to see the body once it arrived. Convinient, aye?

Have fun with this one, I'm sure it'll provide a very different outlook on the whole incident than what most people are used to.

[color=red]Edit: Links removed due to content[/color]

Proper Gander · Jun 8, 2004, 09:01 AM

I will not watch the video, it is sick to watch a human be murdered. what is your point/theory/whatever?

~~JoyStick~~ · Jun 8, 2004, 09:07 AM

Well... Wether or not he died at all, or if he was dead at the time, or if he was fully conscious and really did die is irrelevant..

The thing pushed by the media was not the fact he died, but the fact arabs killed him...
Well, looking at it closer, those arabs aren't very arabic in appearance.

So, the point/theory/or whatever is that it wasn't arabs that did it, it was our own, or some Israelis.

That would mean that arabs were not the cause of the mans death, but rather, our own Americans.

Then, we were DIRECTLY lied to, and told to believe that arabs are sadistic evil SOBs, when really, they had no part in it at all.

Or, it could all just be the tip of the iceberg, and arabs really are behind it..

Who knows, but it did strike me as extremely akward for the guys hands to be WHITE.

Also, when taking a look at the benefactors of such a video, the evidence is simply overwhelming..

Not to mention the fact the arabs are adept executioners.. I really doubt that they would have violated an Islamic law forbidding proper execution, and proper treatement of prisoners for the sake of being mean.

Y'know?

Proper Gander · Jun 8, 2004, 09:11 AM

thanks. I'll leave it to those who have seen the video to discuss with you.
but did you consider it could be non-religious Arabs?

bird chest · Jun 8, 2004, 09:22 AM

not going to watch somone get murdered.

~~JoyStick~~ · Jun 8, 2004, 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Proper Gander
thanks. I'll leave it to those who have seen the video to discuss with you.
but did you consider it could be non-religious Arabs?

Lol... By the text they were [trying] saying, it's impossible for them to be non-religious. If they weren't religious, then the media would clearly be directly lying to us.

bird chest · Jun 8, 2004, 09:43 AM

How would they be lying. They would be guessing and wrong. The media is wrong a lot of the time and that does not mean it is some conspiracy theory.

ToshiroOC · Jun 8, 2004, 11:41 AM

To be perfectly honest, I feel that these claims are pretty baseless and centered on evidence that means very little. Arabs aren't allowed to wear sneakers or have even remotely light skin? Al Qaeda members categorically do not use Galil rifles? I find these ideas to be based upon foolhardy assumptions; I would hazard a guess that if the rifle is a Galil rifle, that the person holding it is likely doing so because they either don't want to waste a perfectly functional rifle, or because they felt it would add some sort of symbolism to the video. Regardless, I see no damning evidence here that the video is faked, only minor incongruities that do not add up to a whole.

Falstaff · Jun 8, 2004, 11:46 AM

touche

malkor · Jun 8, 2004, 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JoyStick

Ok - To start off, I will suggest that all who do not have a copy of the video at hand please go

http://www.

-edited by malkor

Why is this site allowing a link to this video???

Zardon's own words

Dom · Jun 8, 2004, 12:02 PM

JoyStick, you can copy and paste the articles if you want, but I won't have any links to that video on this site.

Incidentally, if anyone wants a link to the articles and or the video, feel free to PM JoyStick, but there will be no more links posted to it on this site. If I see anymore, I will hand out promt bannings of any and all violators.

Closed.

Jun 8, 2004, 11:41 AM	#8
ToshiroOC Unbiased. Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 4,812 Rep Power: 0	To be perfectly honest, I feel that these claims are pretty baseless and centered on evidence that means very little. Arabs aren't allowed to wear sneakers or have even remotely light skin? Al Qaeda members categorically do not use Galil rifles? I find these ideas to be based upon foolhardy assumptions; I would hazard a guess that if the rifle is a Galil rifle, that the person holding it is likely doing so because they either don't want to waste a perfectly functional rifle, or because they felt it would add some sort of symbolism to the video. Regardless, I see no damning evidence here that the video is faked, only minor incongruities that do not add up to a whole. __________________ [img][/img] [color=White]Peace be with you, Joe.[/color] Driverheaven Staff Member (Supermoderator)

Jun 8, 2004, 11:46 AM	#9
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,047 Rep Power: 206	touche __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Jun 8, 2004, 08:50 AM	#1
~~JoyStick~~ Banned Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 160 Rep Power: 0	Nick Berg Video - A deeper look. First off... I PMed ToshiroOC, and was approved ToshrioOC - " It would be acceptable to start a new thread, but keep in mind that if it takes a turn for the worse with different posters attacking each other, then it will be closed, just like any other thread." Be civil, and tell me what you think after reading what I have to say. Ok - To start off, I will suggest that all who do not have a copy of the video at hand please go http://www.removed.org/berg/ here, and download it (NOTE: The opening site does not contain any images of the video, there is a link on the homepage. The author of the page requests that you refer to the homepage of the "Berg" video, rather than link to the download link directly. So, just find the video, there's big brown text that says, "Click here for VIDEO!") You may read the site all you want, but a lot of the information is not correct, so don't take it as the "gospel" truth. What I want you to do is to watch the video. Pay close attention to the hands of the "terrorists" and, take the color into account. After you've done that, then visit this site. http://www.removed/berg_abu_ghraib_video.htm And this one http://www.removed/fake_video.htm And finally, this one. http://www.removed/nick_berg_how_done.htm Now.. I've watched the video more times than I can count (and I can count pretty high), and I have noted that everything said on these sites, though they are somewhat biased, is almost completely accurate. The gun at the beginning, the terrorist in the white hood, is carrying a Galil assault rifle produced by Israeli Military Industries. It is quite reliable in most cases, but lacks the overall greatness that the AK-47 posesses, and thus, the arabs would have 2 reasons right off the bat to NOT use that IMI weapon. #1 being that it is produced, and manufactured by their natural enemies - The Israelis, and #2 being that it's not as good in most cases, as the AK-47. The decapitator that starts off has white hands, and is wearing some trendy sneekers, too. The decapitator in the white hood, that, at the beginning, had the Galil takes over after the video resumes, and he waves the head around. Also, the ring on the hand is highly noticeable, and apparently is against the Islamic faith. So, one could conclude that these diehard spiritual avengers would not video themselves and desecrate "allah's" wishes. Et Cetra et cetra et cetra, you people are smart, you can figure out the rest.. BTW - For those who did not know. Nick Berg is jewish. Also, the media says that he was flown back to the states via federal transportation. That is PROHIBITED for civilians in foreign countries. The states WILL ASBOLUTELY NOT transport civilians from one place to another, regardless of wether they're dead, dying, in pain, or just plain board. NEVER will they do that. Also, the media says that the Berg family was not allowed to see the body once it arrived. Convinient, aye? Have fun with this one, I'm sure it'll provide a very different outlook on the whole incident than what most people are used to. [color=red]Edit: Links removed due to content[/color]

Jun 8, 2004, 09:01 AM	#2
Proper Gander DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 138 Rep Power: 0	I will not watch the video, it is sick to watch a human be murdered. what is your point/theory/whatever?

Jun 8, 2004, 09:07 AM	Thread Starter #3
~~JoyStick~~ Banned Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 160 Rep Power: 0	Well... Wether or not he died at all, or if he was dead at the time, or if he was fully conscious and really did die is irrelevant.. The thing pushed by the media was not the fact he died, but the fact arabs killed him... Well, looking at it closer, those arabs aren't very arabic in appearance. So, the point/theory/or whatever is that it wasn't arabs that did it, it was our own, or some Israelis. That would mean that arabs were not the cause of the mans death, but rather, our own Americans. Then, we were DIRECTLY lied to, and told to believe that arabs are sadistic evil SOBs, when really, they had no part in it at all. Or, it could all just be the tip of the iceberg, and arabs really are behind it.. Who knows, but it did strike me as extremely akward for the guys hands to be WHITE. Also, when taking a look at the benefactors of such a video, the evidence is simply overwhelming.. Not to mention the fact the arabs are adept executioners.. I really doubt that they would have violated an Islamic law forbidding proper execution, and proper treatement of prisoners for the sake of being mean. Y'know?

Jun 8, 2004, 09:11 AM	#4
Proper Gander DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 138 Rep Power: 0	thanks. I'll leave it to those who have seen the video to discuss with you. but did you consider it could be non-religious Arabs?

Jun 8, 2004, 09:22 AM	#5
bird chest DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 454 Rep Power: 0	not going to watch somone get murdered.

Jun 8, 2004, 09:43 AM	#7
bird chest DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 454 Rep Power: 0	How would they be lying. They would be guessing and wrong. The media is wrong a lot of the time and that does not mean it is some conspiracy theory.

Jun 8, 2004, 12:02 PM	#11
Dom DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 12,940 Rep Power: 0	JoyStick, you can copy and paste the articles if you want, but I won't have any links to that video on this site. Incidentally, if anyone wants a link to the articles and or the video, feel free to PM JoyStick, but there will be no more links posted to it on this site. If I see anymore, I will hand out promt bannings of any and all violators. Closed.