Farenheit 9/11, Micheal Moore is opening another can of worms

~~JoyStick~~ · Jun 9, 2004, 07:10 PM

Beh.. I was hoping I wouldn't have to prove myself, but I'll DL BFC tonight, and do some breakdowns on it. I thought his manson gig was especially funny, though.

BUT WHILE YOU WAIT!

http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html

http://www.andrewsullivan.com/main_a...rtnum=20021208

http://www.lfcnews.com/welcomecruelworld.htm

Just some interesting things other people have said.

Nacht · Jun 9, 2004, 07:40 PM

I dont have an real 'explanation' for this...how could I. I do not know the real reason this was allowed to happen, and neither do you. All im doing is speculating, and giving possible explanations. What I mean is that I believe my theory is a lot more logical and makes more sense than all of this unfounded anti-bush stuff.

~~bluelight~~ · Jun 9, 2004, 09:15 PM

Yeah i understand that ands it would have been logic if it had not been for the business connections between the Bush family and the Saudi royal family.

This was widely covered in Us media even before the Invasion of Iraq.

Bluelight

~~bluelight~~ · Jun 9, 2004, 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JoyStick
Beh.. I was hoping I wouldn't have to prove myself, but I'll DL BFC tonight, and do some breakdowns on it. I thought his manson gig was especially funny, though.

BUT WHILE YOU WAIT!

http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html

http://www.andrewsullivan.com/main_a...rtnum=20021208

http://www.lfcnews.com/welcomecruelworld.htm

Just some interesting things other people have said.

Yeah...Moore doesnt like the American way of handling guns...So what?

Bluelight

Nacht · Jun 9, 2004, 10:51 PM

What do you mean by 'business connections'? Are you referring to oil or what?

~~JoyStick~~ · Jun 9, 2004, 11:01 PM

Read some of the info on that first link, bluelight. It's actually not too bad. Moore DID try to form the opinion that the NRA and the KKK were linked. That's hardly true. David Duke has even cleared the KKK of relations with the NRA. Also, I find his hackjob of Heston's words was pretty lame, too. What do you think about that?

Nacht · Jun 9, 2004, 11:06 PM

This is what the New York Times said about the removal of Bin Laden's extended family:

Quote:

In the first days after the terror attacks on New York and Washington, Saudi Arabia supervised the urgent evacuation of 24 members of Osama bin Laden's extended family from the United States, fearing that they might be subjected to violence.

This is my idea exactly, taken from mooreexposed.com (thanks for the link man, very interesting)

Quote:

Okay--two dozen people who know nothing of use, have a very realistic fear of being lynched (a Sikh was murdered around this time for no greater reason than that he wore a turban), and the ambassador, a major friend of the US, is requesting their evacuation. If any do get killed, it'd create a major rift with an ally whom you're going to need very much in the near future. What do you do? Round them all up where they can't be killed, verify that they haven't seen Osama in years and don't have the foggiest idea which cave he's living in, and get them out of the country. Sounds like a plan to me.

On another page is says the Saudi ambassador had floods of calls from members of the family begging him to do something because they were terrified of being lynched.

~~JoyStick~~ · Jun 10, 2004, 06:49 AM

Yeah, no problem finding the link. Seems a lot of people don't like him. =)

PoopyTheJ · Jun 10, 2004, 07:10 AM

I think the fact that standard security protocols were not followed on the 11th of september speaks volumes. As well as all the Put/call options were traced back to Buzzy Congard, EX CIA director.

Judas · Jun 10, 2004, 07:53 AM

just watch discovery...tlc...for a good few years... they oventually will cover pretty well all the facts... and allow you to give somewhat an idea of wtf is going on... Unfortuneatly... to many people thought that was this guy made for a movie was nothing but the facts straight out... he meerly was providing what most miss.... don't look at.... don't notice... kinda like those shows were a finer detail in the background is missed, isn't needed at the moment... but fills the whoe picture in later on...

~~bluelight~~ · Jun 10, 2004, 07:54 AM

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Originally posted by rob13800
What do you mean by 'business connections'? Are you referring to oil or what?

Yes there are close ties between the Saudi royal family and the Bush family in terms of business.G.Bush father (your former president) has been having (and probably still has) LARGE scale business in Saudi Arabia handled by James Baker who also worked for him in his government.

Again...i say...this is no leftwing propaganda.It is a FACT and it has been in Us media.

Bluelight

~~bluelight~~ · Jun 10, 2004, 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by rob13800
This is what the New York Times said about the removal of Bin Laden's extended family:

This is my idea exactly, taken from mooreexposed.com (thanks for the link man, very interesting)

On another page is says the Saudi ambassador had floods of calls from members of the family begging him to do something because they were terrified of being lynched.

Yeah but why is it that these people were the only muslims out of probably tens of thousands at that moment traveling to and from Usa were allowed to go?

Nobody ...NOT even government representatives from ANY OTHER NATION were allowed to move their ass ANYWHERE.....AT ALL during several days.

Apart from Bush buddies...

´Bluelight

~~JoyStick~~ · Jun 10, 2004, 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by bluelight
Yeah but why is it that these people were the only muslims out of probably tens of thousands at that moment traveling to and from Usa were allowed to go?

Nobody ...NOT even government representatives from ANY OTHER NATION were allowed to move their ass ANYWHERE.....AT ALL during several days.

Apart from Bush buddies...

´Bluelight

Maybe they were smuggling drugs

~~bluelight~~ · Jun 10, 2004, 03:25 PM

Yeah maybe...

You ask Bush....so far he has not given any reply as to why they were allowed to leave while police were interrogating thousands and thousands of other muslims coming to..and going from...Usa..

Ask George.Maybe he will tell you why.

Bluelight

Nacht · Jun 10, 2004, 04:51 PM

Well, you KNOW that it would be bad to be an arab on those days following 9/11. BUT it would be even WORSE to have the last name BIN LADEN. that is something you could seriously get hurt for. Also, the bush family does have alot of business in the middle east. they play a big role in that company (forget the name) that does alot of construction and business in the middle east. there is nothing 'wrong' with that. These people were let out because they were in danger from americans.

It also interviews the last of the bin-laden family to leave the country. He was in boston at the time, and stayed longer than the rest of the family. (about 10 days i believe). He tells how he received 1 call from the FBI. he told them he had no more idea the location of Osama than anybody else. They said thank you, and that was it. does that sound like an organization desperate and 'mad' because they were let out of the country? no...it doesnt. It shows you that there was no reason to keep them in the country, and they were at a significant risk being here. can you imagine the PR issues if one of the saudi royals was killed by an american mob?

~~bluelight~~ · Jun 10, 2004, 06:43 PM

Yeah we all make our choices.

Either we question our leaders acts or we dont.

If you feel better by not questioning the dubious acts of your government or even agree to them...then go ahead.It´s a freedom you have.....so far.
Personally i question all elected leaders acts no matter what political leanings they have.

Its best for them and its best for me.

Politicians tend to do very strange things if you dont keep your finger in their eye continually.

Bluelight

bird chest · Jun 10, 2004, 07:59 PM

but then you get poiticians who do things just to ger reelected and not things that are better for the country

Nacht · Jun 10, 2004, 08:02 PM

It's also bad when you criticize their every move. Questioning is not the same as making a public mockery...espcially doing so with materials that you have twisted out of the originator's original intentions.

It seems to be a 'fad' right now to criticize bush...he is blamed for everything from the economy, to lies concerning WMDs in Iraq.

~~JoyStick~~ · Jun 10, 2004, 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by rob13800
It's also bad when you criticize their every move. Questioning is not the same as making a public mockery...espcially doing so with materials that you have twisted out of the originator's original intentions.

It seems to be a 'fad' right now to criticize bush...he is blamed for everything from the economy, to lies concerning WMDs in Iraq.

*COUGH* ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT AMNESTY *COUGH*

Patriot Act II, etc etc.

~~bluelight~~ · Jun 10, 2004, 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bird chest
but then you get poiticians who do things just to ger reelected and not things that are better for the country

I believe you get politicians that do what you tell and pay them them to do instead of politicians that do what the lobbyists tell and pay them to do.

Bluey

Nacht · Jun 10, 2004, 09:20 PM

I didnt say he was without fault.

~~bluelight~~ · Jun 11, 2004, 10:45 AM

No he has loads of faults.Nr one: is that he is a total looser when it comes to public appearances.

But ...that isnt really relevant...Bush does not rule America.His advisors does.He is their parrot and he does what he is told to do.

Thats why they choose him.

Bluelight

bird chest · Jun 11, 2004, 07:57 PM

But Kerry is not any better.

Jun 9, 2004, 07:10 PM	#31
~~JoyStick~~ Banned Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 160 Rep Power: 0	Beh.. I was hoping I wouldn't have to prove myself, but I'll DL BFC tonight, and do some breakdowns on it. I thought his manson gig was especially funny, though. BUT WHILE YOU WAIT! http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html http://www.andrewsullivan.com/main_a...rtnum=20021208 http://www.lfcnews.com/welcomecruelworld.htm Just some interesting things other people have said. Last edited by JoyStick; Jun 9, 2004 at 07:37 PM.

Jun 10, 2004, 07:10 AM	#39
PoopyTheJ DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,588 Rep Power: 66	I think the fact that standard security protocols were not followed on the 11th of september speaks volumes. As well as all the Put/call options were traced back to Buzzy Congard, EX CIA director. __________________ [COLOR=Blue]“Alright boys, let’s start her up and see why she doesn’t work.” - John Fritz "I aim to misbehave" Malcolm Reynolds ATI Catalyst Beta Tester[/COLOR]

Jun 10, 2004, 04:51 PM	#45
Nacht ein Krieger Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Clemson Uni Posts: 3,127 Rep Power: 0	Well, you KNOW that it would be bad to be an arab on those days following 9/11. BUT it would be even WORSE to have the last name BIN LADEN. that is something you could seriously get hurt for. Also, the bush family does have alot of business in the middle east. they play a big role in that company (forget the name) that does alot of construction and business in the middle east. there is nothing 'wrong' with that. These people were let out because they were in danger from americans. It also interviews the last of the bin-laden family to leave the country. He was in boston at the time, and stayed longer than the rest of the family. (about 10 days i believe). He tells how he received 1 call from the FBI. he told them he had no more idea the location of Osama than anybody else. They said thank you, and that was it. does that sound like an organization desperate and 'mad' because they were let out of the country? no...it doesnt. It shows you that there was no reason to keep them in the country, and they were at a significant risk being here. can you imagine the PR issues if one of the saudi royals was killed by an american mob? Last edited by Nacht; Jun 10, 2004 at 04:58 PM.

Jun 9, 2004, 07:40 PM	#32
Nacht ein Krieger Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Clemson Uni Posts: 3,127 Rep Power: 0	I dont have an real 'explanation' for this...how could I. I do not know the real reason this was allowed to happen, and neither do you. All im doing is speculating, and giving possible explanations. What I mean is that I believe my theory is a lot more logical and makes more sense than all of this unfounded anti-bush stuff.

Jun 9, 2004, 09:15 PM	#33
~~bluelight~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,328 Rep Power: 0	Yeah i understand that ands it would have been logic if it had not been for the business connections between the Bush family and the Saudi royal family. This was widely covered in Us media even before the Invasion of Iraq. Bluelight

Jun 9, 2004, 10:51 PM	#35
Nacht ein Krieger Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Clemson Uni Posts: 3,127 Rep Power: 0	What do you mean by 'business connections'? Are you referring to oil or what?

Jun 9, 2004, 11:01 PM	#36
~~JoyStick~~ Banned Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 160 Rep Power: 0	Read some of the info on that first link, bluelight. It's actually not too bad. Moore DID try to form the opinion that the NRA and the KKK were linked. That's hardly true. David Duke has even cleared the KKK of relations with the NRA. Also, I find his hackjob of Heston's words was pretty lame, too. What do you think about that?

Jun 10, 2004, 06:49 AM	#38
~~JoyStick~~ Banned Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 160 Rep Power: 0	Yeah, no problem finding the link. Seems a lot of people don't like him. =)

Jun 10, 2004, 03:25 PM	#44
~~bluelight~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,328 Rep Power: 0	Yeah maybe... You ask Bush....so far he has not given any reply as to why they were allowed to leave while police were interrogating thousands and thousands of other muslims coming to..and going from...Usa.. Ask George.Maybe he will tell you why. Bluelight

Jun 10, 2004, 06:43 PM	#46
~~bluelight~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,328 Rep Power: 0	Yeah we all make our choices. Either we question our leaders acts or we dont. If you feel better by not questioning the dubious acts of your government or even agree to them...then go ahead.It´s a freedom you have.....so far. Personally i question all elected leaders acts no matter what political leanings they have. Its best for them and its best for me. Politicians tend to do very strange things if you dont keep your finger in their eye continually. Bluelight

Jun 10, 2004, 07:59 PM	#47
bird chest DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 454 Rep Power: 0	but then you get poiticians who do things just to ger reelected and not things that are better for the country

Jun 10, 2004, 08:02 PM	#48
Nacht ein Krieger Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Clemson Uni Posts: 3,127 Rep Power: 0	It's also bad when you criticize their every move. Questioning is not the same as making a public mockery...espcially doing so with materials that you have twisted out of the originator's original intentions. It seems to be a 'fad' right now to criticize bush...he is blamed for everything from the economy, to lies concerning WMDs in Iraq.

Jun 10, 2004, 09:20 PM	#51
Nacht ein Krieger Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Clemson Uni Posts: 3,127 Rep Power: 0	I didnt say he was without fault.

Jun 11, 2004, 10:45 AM	#52
~~bluelight~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,328 Rep Power: 0	No he has loads of faults.Nr one: is that he is a total looser when it comes to public appearances. But ...that isnt really relevant...Bush does not rule America.His advisors does.He is their parrot and he does what he is told to do. Thats why they choose him. Bluelight

Jun 11, 2004, 07:57 PM	#53
bird chest DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 454 Rep Power: 0	But Kerry is not any better.