Some facts on Leftists and Racism

malkor

Hehe, I think it started that way.

raid517

Ahh you caught me, hands up I use a spell checker...

I just wasn't quick enough for you.

But what the hey.

You appear to have a somewhat different perspective - I will say that for you.

But there you are, it takes all sorts I guess.

GJ

bluelight

You are not ahead of me in ANY aspect.


Bluelight

Falstaff

threads dont get bizarre...they just change direction..lol....Blue, dont get suckered into this one...lol

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JoyStick

Blue. I have 4,325$ in my pocket right now. How much do you have in yours?

Falstaff

this thread may have officially died.....lol

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JoyStick

Yeah.. No one is refuting anyone's claims, it died a while ago...


So, Jeff...

Warstories. C'mon, let's hear 'em.

bluelight

I have a tulip in one ear and a dog attached round my neck.Im drinking milk from an adidas shoe while reciting the koran and no...having money ...on the internet....never made any difference to anyone.

As far as im concerned each and everyone here might just as well be garbagetrucksdrivers....

This is the internet.Not a coctail party.

Bluelight

raid517

Erm... that's it I'm off... It's all getting a bit too weird for me...


GJ

Falstaff

my war stories....ugggh....have to give it some thought...maybe in echoes...not here...to inflammatory...lol

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JoyStick

Not a cocktail party? Then what the hell am I doing here?

raid517

Mmm... You possibly mistook it for a Woodstock type drugs fest?

GJ

JoyStick

WTF are you talking about?

raid517

Mmm... maybe at last we are thinking alike after all.

GJ

Falstaff

The 25 Points of Hitler's Nazi Party

1 We demand the union of all Germans in a Great Germany on the basis of the principle of self-determination of all peoples.
2 We demand that the German people have rights equal to those of other nations; and that the Peace Treaties of Versailles and St. Germain shall be abrogated.
3 We demand land and territory (colonies) for the maintenance of our people and the settlement of our surplus population.
4 Only those who are our fellow countrymen can become citizens. Only those who have German blood, regardless of creed, can be our countrymen. Hence no Jew can be a countryman.
5 Those who are not citizens must live in Germany as foreigners and must be subject to the law of aliens.
6 The right to choose the government and determine the laws of the State shall belong only to citizens. We therefore demand that no public office, of whatever nature, whether in the central government, the province, or the municipality, shall be held by anyone who is not a citizen.
We wage war against the corrupt parliamentary administration whereby men are appointed to posts by favour of the party without regard to character and fitness.

7 We demand that the State shall above all undertake to ensure that every citizen shall have the possibility of living decently and earning a livelihood. If it should not be possible to feed the whole population, then aliens (non-citizens) must be expelled from the Reich.
8 Any further immigration of non-Germans must be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans who have entered Germany since August 2, 1914, shall be compelled to leave the Reich immediately.
9 All citizens must possess equal rights and duties.
10 The first duty of every citizen must be to work mentally or physically. No individual shall do any work that offends against the interest of the community to the benefit of all.
Therefore we demand:

11 That all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished.
12 Since every war imposes on the people fearful sacrifices in blood and treasure, all personal profit arising from the war must be regarded as treason to the people. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits.
13 We demand the nationalization of all trusts.
14 We demand profit-sharing in large industries.
15 We demand a generous increase in old-age pensions.
16 We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle-class, the immediate communalisation of large stores which will be rented cheaply to small trades people, and the strongest consideration must be given to ensure that small traders shall deliver the supplies needed by the State, the provinces and municipalities.
17 We demand an agrarian reform in accordance with our national requirements, and the enactment of a law to expropriate the owners without compensation of any land needed for the common purpose. The abolition of ground rents, and the prohibition of all speculation in land.
18 We demand that ruthless war be waged against those who work to the injury of the common welfare. Traitors, usurers, profiteers, etc., are to be punished with death, regardless of creed or race.
19 We demand that Roman law, which serves a materialist ordering of the world, be replaced by German common law.
20 In order to make it possible for every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education, and thus the opportunity to reach into positions of leadership, the State must assume the responsibility of organizing thoroughly the entire cultural system of the people. The curricula of all educational establishments shall be adapted to practical life. The conception of the State Idea (science of citizenship) must be taught in the schools from the very beginning. We demand that specially talented children of poor parents, whatever their station or occupation, be educated at the expense of the State.
21 The State has the duty to help raise the standard of national health by providing maternity welfare centres, by prohibiting juvenile labour, by increasing physical fitness through the introduction of compulsory games and gymnastics, and by the greatest possible encouragement of associations concerned with the physical education of the young.
22 We demand the abolition of the regular army and the creation of a national (folk) army.
23 We demand that there be a legal campaign against those who propagate deliberate political lies and disseminate them through the press. In order to make possible the creation of a German press, we demand:
(a) All editors and their assistants on newspapers published in the German language shall be German citizens.
(b) Non-German newspapers shall only be published with the express permission of the State. They must not be published in the German language.
(c) All financial interests in or in any way affecting German newspapers shall be forbidden to non-Germans by law, and we demand that the punishment for transgressing this law be the immediate suppression of the newspaper and the expulsion of the non-Germans from the Reich.
Newspapers transgressing against the common welfare shall be suppressed. We demand legal action against those tendencies in art and literature that have a disruptive influence upon the life of our folk, and that any organizations that offend against the foregoing demands shall be dissolved.

24 We demand freedom for all religious faiths in the state, insofar as they do not endanger its existence or offend the moral and ethical sense of the Germanic race.
The party as such represents the point of view of a positive Christianity without binding itself to any one particular confession. It fights against the Jewish materialist spirit within and without, and is convinced that a lasting recovery of our folk can only come about from within on the principle:
COMMON GOOD BEFORE INDIVIDUAL GOOD
25 In order to carry out this program we demand: the creation of a strong central authority in the State, the unconditional authority by the political central parliament of the whole State and all its organizations.
The formation of professional committees and of committees representing the several estates of the realm, to ensure that the laws promulgated by the central authority shall be carried out by the federal states.
The leaders of the party undertake to promote the execution of the foregoing points at all costs, if necessary at the sacrifice of their own lives.

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JoyStick

Yar.. What were those crazy bastards thinking? That'd drive the civis insane long before they ever got anywhere.. I had a good refute to most of the points done by a guy I know, but I can't seem to find the paper.. Might be amusing to watch a country try to enact those points, though.

raid517

Mmm... they already did... And it was called Nazi Germany. And as we know from what happened, it really wasn't much 'fun' at all. It's pretty clear to see where you are comming from mate - and to be honest it's getting pretty boring.

Anyway Jeff, I don't really have time to study all of these. The only thing worth noting is the one you thought worth printing in caps, - which was "THE COMMON GOOD BEFORE INDIVIDUAL GOOD"

However you really should read the link I printed. It gives a real insight and background to where a lot of these policies came from. It really is a very enlightening read.

As I said, above anything Hitler was a populist. It is too easy to mistake that for something else - for something that perhaps you might find more convenient to deal with. Germany was a horribly divided country before Hitler took power, with revolutions and coups virtually every other week. Hitler saw his main objective as 'uniting the nation' (more to a common purpose than to a common cause) and given the other influences that dominated at that time it was imperative if he was to succeed that he adopted policies that appealed to all segments of German society.

But what he said an what he did ultimately proved to be very different things.

Again however, that can't be understood without an appreciation of the political realities of the German nation at that time - or what it would take for someone to pull all of these different ideologies together.

Hitler craved one thing first before all else - and that was power. Once he had this power and once he had succeeded in uniting Germany, only then would his true objectives become clear to everyone.

But like I said, read the link. It's not leftist propaganda - it's what's taught in schools and colleges across the world. It's pretty much identical to the stuff I had to do as a project at primary school when I was 12.

People on the left don't have a problem with the idea that Stalin was a 'leftist', why should anyone on the right want to deny history by suddenly denying that Hitler's ideas belong to the far right? You keep your monsters and we'll keep ours.

They are both extremes, extremes that hopefully none of us here identify with.

GJ

JoyStick

"yeah, nazi germany, we saw it, blah blah, joystick you're a nazi, blah blah, *skip the rest"


Err.. At first you were slightly interesting, but now you've taken up some kind of bluelight-influenced attitude that's really quite undesirable.

Where'd the worthy neutral that used to make some semi-decent posts go?

Are you his brother?



If not.. I'd ask that you either A.) Stop being so anti-me, or B.) Stop being so repetitive.



I'm all for a little competition, but man.. I've already heard this before. It's old news, and if you don't drop the "OMG RACIST NAZI, OR I GUESS.. I THINK HE IS" act, I'll be forced to stop responding to your arguments, no matter how well thought out they are.

Falstaff

sorry RAID I am in concert with your remarks, just pointing out with some twist or somantics the ideas of one man have a certain power of an entire nation, and polarized the state. It is simply I still cannot understand why anyone would discharge the mantel of democracy for a totalitarian state...and yet it happened......Joy, some of your remarks are best entertained in the flaming warzone, it simply is inflammatory regardless of the humour in your delivery, I recommend caution from this point on, I am sure you can express yourself without aiming personal attacks against other members for the sake of a personal vendetta

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bluelight

Originally posted by JoyStick B]Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't liberals consist solely of Stupidity, and a distinct lack of reality?




WHY? What is so wrong about questioning things? What the hell is wrong about having a different opinion?





Am I insane for seeing the holocaust tallies go from 12 million, to 10 million, to 8 million, to 6 million, to 4 million, to 1.5 million,




to maybe not even AT ALL over the course of just a few short years?



Am I insane for doubting my politicians credibility when they say they are going to war in Iraq to stop an evil madman who has mass amounts of Nuclear war, for our "Staunchest Ally, Israel, the Vibrant Jewish State"?"


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Ok our man here claims that the holocaust didnt happen.

Now i dont care WHAT he is...left right up or down...and since i am an openminded person i have looked up some proof to support his theory.

Here is a link to te stuff that didnt happen



Auschwitz Birkenau

AS you can see there is a lot of photoshop done with these images and the buildings are in fact icecream factories where the kids were eating ice craem all day long.

If you want me to ill post a link to a scientist who has been in Germany and Poland last year measuring...... using a hightech toothbrush and he has come to the conclusion that the holocaust is a hoax.


Im openminded in debates.


Furthermore im thoroughly convinced that the earth is flat.

Bluelight

BMG_Cya=-

Hitler, was a devout drug addict. Morphine and Methamphetamine being the drugs of choice, not only
with him, but with the SS...and in fact the majority of Nazi regime.

Look around...read...listen...GOOGLE.

raid517

Pah... if you Google you can find web sites claiming that Elvis is living in an igloo on Mars. Let's see a reputable source - not just some whacked out nutjob's ravings based on some poorly formed idological bias he may or may not have.

GJ