Eurotrash

Hello,

After having read lots of posts in this forum,
I can only say ,I'm really happy to be European and not to live in such a self destructive country as America.
The right wing views some of you here expressed would in my region be rightfully labeled fascist.

Concerning US foreign policy, I now understand why they didn't and still don't recognize the international criminal court and even threatened to remove jailed Americans by force from a fellow NATO founding ally ,because the US are abusing human rights left and right wherever they go.(PS. They still have deals with most countries not to extradite Americans to the international criminal court, in other words they might pretend to be going along but in reality nothing has changed)

Concerning freedom, I live in a country where if I wanted I could use drugs without legal consequences, where prostitution is legal and where if you really wanted to you could euthanaise yourself. Now that's freedom folks, not that supposed freedom you all seem to be relishing.

Nacht

The ban on drugs is to protect the future of America. Otherwise, you would have a bunch of IDIOTS running around, high as kites, and making nothing of their lives, living off of welfare (money put forth by hard working individuals), and dragging the country down. Like you said, you live in Europe. I dont know what it is like where you live, and you apparently have no idea what it is like here.

Eurotrash

Actually I have been visiting the US since I was 4 years old. I grew up all over the globe and often in between Americans and have had many personal relationships with American citizens. I just never thought they would accept a coup as easily as they did. Myself I live in a Monarchy so I can honestly say I'm Republican. On the note of drugs, you already have idiots running around high as a kite, only difference now is instead of them costing money by having to apprehend
them then put them through the court system and then being incarcerated which cost a lot of tax payer money,
you simply could give them an option to get clean or not and let them live their lives paying taxes. Also most musicians and artists and scientists even the so called clean cut ones use drugs, yet most of them pay taxes unlike many self made men who think just because they worked their asses off they don't owe other people anything.

BMG_Cya=-

Euro...I can tell by your posts, especially the last one that you are "partaking of drugs" which
I myself would not want. Weed? Glue? Huffing paint? Those 3 drugs I mentioned are brain fryers,
and actually make people in general stupid and/or paranoid.

When/if you sober up one day...come back and read this post and see if it still makes
any kind of sense to you.

Until then, wish you well and wish you to stay in Europe.

Eurotrash

No can do(stay in Europe), travel all the time also to the US.

Also you shouldn't fear what is unknown to you.
The drug thing is about money, It takes more money to fight drugs then it takes to cure people on drugs, most people who are addicted to drugs don't actually want to use drugs anymore but have a hard time getting off it, some never get of it because of their genes they were born with. Educating people about the dangers of drugs instead of just scaring them would be more productive in keeping them away from drugs. I understand from your reaction you actually believe the propaganda you've been brought up with. And I'm happy for you it managed to keep you away from drugs, but not every one is as gullable and will experiment for themselves exposing themselves to all the dangers as a result. Not all drugs are equally dangerous, alcohol for example is a very dangerous substance more so than for example weed or even extacy but heroin or the likes would clearly have to be put higher on the scales of danger. The war on drugs is just a huge waste of money for which you don't get to see any results (locally and abroad), educating people without the scare tactics would give you immediat feedback and a positive response, the few people that would fuck up would be smaller and less expensive to assist them in rebuilding their lives.

Remember a person in jail is not paying taxes but costs money. And what was his or her crime, being weak?

OldBuzzard

Eurotrash:

Just remember, you live FREELY in that country, and you AREN'T speaking GERMAN because a hell of a lot of Americans, died in 2 World Wars.

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digerati

Russia would've moved in and won anyways. They got their act together in the end. But that's not the point.

America, with all its laws, against drugs and prostitution, is still considered the most well off nation on Earth. Also a leader in technologies, and with nice rovers on the moon.

So apparently we must be doing something right that you're not Eurotrash.

OldBuzzard

Actually, in WWII, the Russians would have, at best, stalemated the Germans. The massive influx of arms from the USA , along with the Allied invasion of 'Fortress Europe' (which pulled German resourses away from the Eastern Front) gave the Soviets the 'edge' that they needed to go on the offensive against the Germans.

Even then, by the end of the war in Europe, the Soviets were still in very bad shape, and if Roosevelt and Churchill would have given Patton his 'wish' and allowed him to invade Russia, the world as we know it today would be a very diffferent place, as the Soviet Union would have been defeated. One can only speculate just WHAT it would look like today, but it would surely be a lot different that it is now.

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BMG_Cya=-

That is about the most ingratious and...just plain bad statement I have ever heard.

I don't know why I subject myself occasionally to political forums, as nothing pisses me off quicker.

*MUST STAY AWAY...MUST STAY AWAY....*

Eurotrash

Actually it's eighth, that's three behind mine.

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=5678362

dj_stick

and my country is rated third, woop dee doo

anti-drug, anti-gun laws are designed to keep the general populace safe

as for freedom to take drugs, freedom to hire a prositute and freedom to commit suicide… is that really great?

a. drugs - totally f*ck you up, cause dependence on the drug, making the addict steal in the end to feed his/her habit - and then live on welfare the dole or whatever there is in that nation.

b. prostitutes - do you have any feeling for what they are going through, why they have been forced to sell there body and the irreparable damage caused to their mental health. read a diary entry of someone forced into this life one day and i hope you would feel disgusted at what you do

c. euthanasia - yeh go kill yourself, f*ck what your family and friends think of you, what your death will cause them to feel. you obviously don't care of the guilt, remorse and grief you will cause them - often never knowing why you took the action and whether it was their fault or not

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Eurotrash

I agree with you on all three issues, but at least we try to prevent it from happening and when it does go wrong for some individuals, they are not afraid to come to the authorities for help, seeing it isn't our way to treat them as criminals

digerati

That article is including educational levels and life expectancy. I can downright admit we got A LOT of stupid spoiled people and too much junk food eaters which plummits our life expectancy waaaay down.

And Russia would've won, it would've taken a lot longer and cause more casualties.

Patton went in and cleaned house big time, but Russia would've eventually gotten their act together.

Still, why aren't you going off comparing Europe better to Japan? According to that they're even behind us hehe.

Nacht

I dont know where this stuff about the USA vs Russia comes from...but as far as THE WAR is concerned, The Soviets didnt really have a chance. America was so concerned about a missle gap that we failed to see realities. By 1960, we predicted the soviets would have 1000 ICBMs. When 1960 came, we thought they had around 56. They actually had 4. That's right. 4. We have the bombs

His point shows exactly why your "freedoms" to maim your own people dont put your country higher on the list. It is totally irrelevant. Drugs will screw you up. People all the time try to tell me that weed isnt as bad for you as tobacco. Go read some reports....tell me what you find.

GOG

This is the worst piece of American Propaganda so far in this forum.

When the allies invaded France, the Germans were practically already kicked out of the Soviet Union.

http://www.onwar.com/maps/wwii/eastf...1efrnt4344.htm

Or in other terms... Without the red army, you would have been crushed like bugs by the german army. They were superior to you in all areas, in military technology/tactics speaking. The russians had two things at their advantage that you didn't have.

1. Their numbers
2. The environment

Despite this enormous outnumbering vs. the german invader, they lost 10% of their population.

Please keep this propaganda and these outrageous lies to your history lessons in your schools in the future.

Noone outside your borders listen to you anyway.

digerati

Heeeeeey. I'm an American too you know =P lol

GOG

Yes, but I think you share the same view as me in this matter (well more or less), so you are excluded

Killiepete

such a bad state the soviet Union could feild over 90,000 artillery peices , 28,000 tanks mainly T34's Kv-1's & Josef Stalin 2 tanks all far superior tanks in comparison to the US/UK tanks not forgeting the fact that they could call upon 70,000 front line aircraft and 12 million fighting men , the Soviet union was capapble of producing 29,000 tanks a year as they had built a city who's sole purpose was to build tanks hence its name "Tankograd" and as for supplying the Soviet union with equipment ie tanks & planes they were deemed inferior mainly used in propaganda purposes , Patten & the UK forces would have got their asses kicked out the European mainland in no time as they had never faced anything like "Stalin's Organ" before imagine thousands of Rockets raining down on your positions wiping out every living thing over vast areas

Falstaff

The russian winter did Hitler and his army in, if he had not interceded and refused to withdraw from Stalingrad, the Germans could have resisted further counter attacks. Zuchov was counting on Hitler stepping and screwing things up.

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digerati

Just glad you recognize Patton's (American's) helpfulness in the war.

GOG

I do, don't misunderstand me at that point. But that's not the same as he won it by himself.

digerati

Of course not. But he scared the germans, more than any single general from any other nation. With Britain's general coming in at a close second hehe.

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w00t I love it when these posts turn into WWII ifs, so fun. (there have been several similar debates in other threads.) Anyway, both sides would have been severely %^@ed if the other wasnt there. It would have been a whole lot easier for the Germans to defend one front by either front than the united offensive. Oh, and Im glad Russia helped us defeat japan too....

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Falstaff

yeah....if we didnt drop the bombs and rebuild a democratic japan...russian would have invaded and took over, as it stands, they will not give back Kamchatka

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JavaFox

My favorite things about these diatribes is that the same people that complain that Americans are self-centered and arrogant concerning other cultures also mock Americans for running their country in a way they see fit. It's pompous, condescending, and intolerably annoying to be told that the European model of governance is the one-size-fits-all solution for every country in the world.

The United States of America is the third most populous nation on Earth. Our demographics are not like Europe's, our land is not like Europe's, and our sensibilities are not like Europe's. What works for you won't work for us.

Killiepete

remember that its works the other way as well , American goverments are constantly telling our goverments the best way to do things when they know nothing about what matters to people in Europe as it stands if Europe was to unite would it not make us the 3rd most populas country with over 500 million (probably not in my lifetime though) within unity their is strength , strength to withstand possible threats who can tell what the future holds

Nacht

Europe could never be united. On top of that, we're not talking about *if* this happened, or *if* that happened. what did happen was Hitler's troops were turned back from a stretched supply line, and the winter cold.

During the cold war, the United States believed that the Soviet Union was ahead of us in some regards. In hindsight, now knowing what the Soviet Union did, in fact possess, there was no severe soviet threat during the cold war. In the mid 1950s, they even stopped their testing of their nuclear arsenal.

JavaFox

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHA

digerati

Nice to see you taking the quiet approach. lol

ToshiroOC

MARS! They're on mars!

this is significant because i know work 40 hours a week with the damn things

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