Dom

The main reason that people don't believe a 757 hit the Pentagon is because immediately after it was attacked, pictures that were taken at this time apparently don't show a massive hole from a 757 hitting it. When The Twin Towers were hit it was evident what hit them, planes, big planes. We saw the gaping holes the impacts left from the attack and even saw the second attack on live television, we also later saw the first attack.

The inconsistancies concern people deeply. The Government has told us (Americans) that no country that poses a ligitmate threat to us could lauch a missile attack. If a missile hit the Pentagon it would either prove them wrong, or indicate possible Government in the attack on the Pentagon, not to mention the World Tade Center.

All these things and other inconsistancies, such as reports of Government prior knowledge which the Government said they didn't have then later said the did know Osama was planing on using planes to attack large buildings. And there are other things: people saying they saw the 757 at the Pentagon hit the ground first then skid in to the building (something which the Government's own conclusion on how the plane hit the building contradicts, as well as no photographic evidence to support this happening).
The 757 supposed flew two feet off the ground and then hit the Pentagon, all while going around 450MPH, a seeming impossibility, especially for poorly trained pilots.

There are many, many other things that concern people about this. So-called "consparicy theorists" have a ligitimate point. It's hard to imagine Government involvement, I know. But remember, what can happen, will happen.

Borealis

I'm in agreement with this theory on the pentagon. in the first link that fallang posted above there is absolutely nothing that would indicate to me a plane was ever there.

If you never knew 9/11 happened and never knew that a "plane hit the pentagon" would you really be able to say that "yes, a 757/commercial airliner did IN FACT hit the pentagon" in that picture?

I'm not going to speculate on exactly what hit it, but I highly doubt it was a plane. If it was, why have we not seen any security footage from ANY cameras in the local area that show the plane hitting it?

You look at all this and look and look and look, yet something just does not feel right about the final outcome.

Then you read further into things like this and it kinda freaks you out. Read this article about an "Operation Northwoods".

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/Da...fs_010501.html
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/northwoods.html

BMG_Cya=-

I'm working on a little research project for some of the Conspiracy sites listes in two of these type threads.

This Pentagon theory, I can immediately throw a wrench into.
Just by my own real life experience.

If you had ever been to a Defense Department building in REAL LIFE,and/or an associated Commercial developer for the Defense/Military of the U.S., you would know that they construct these buildings, not only differently than your average County Courthouse or local bongshop,but in layers and sections,..etc.

There are things I can't divulge atm,
(Else I get a family member or two in trouble)
but these building have re-inforcements...even blockades and barriers that to the casual person...look like decor,
natural parts of the landscape, like bushes or pots for planting flowers.

Overall, it's a bit like looking at a Rorscach work...you initially don't
see it, then you're all "Ohhhh...yeah...yeah I see"

These few little things by themselves could have easily caused the deformation of a plane, and the subsequent percieved "discrepancies" of the Pentagon "5"...

Just hang loose...

I'm working on something I'm gonna post here, and a coupla' more places And it will have real resources...not some guy named,
(insert non-Jewish, non-Arabic sounding, and if possible, make his name as Midwest as possible name here....like Jimmy Green"...<---(who?) who has nothing else to do and no other proof than his own theories about questionable "Official" photos.

Ol' painless is comin'...

OpusP.Gladiator

OK, gotta add my 2 cents...lol Ist off, don't make comparisons of the wtc and the pentagon.... What is interesting about the pentagon is that there's probably very little steel in the structure of the building itself .... Have to laught at the various theories because even though a lot of us 'saw' what happened we still question it. 'Wag that Dog' baby...
So throw out all images since they can be manipulated....and rely on eyewitnesses....
There are still too many variables because even eyewitness accounts will be different...
It would be horrific to find out our own government used us as pigeons to initiate further controls over civil liberties... Like the fourth amendment...

oops, damn gotta stop daydreaming again bmg where are the links?

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CaptinSxb

Saw something on TV a while back about the government renovating the pentagon or somthing. Said they had like kevlar lined walls and bullet proof windows. (dont know if its true just telling you what I heard).If what i saw was true than a smaller planes wings might not have been able to make large holes before they were knocked off and the impact could have widened the hole eliminating any signs of the wings hitting. The wings might have folded back along the plane and then burned up in the fire that the crash caused.

Planes cant just drop down to ground level and fly horizontal to the ground instanteously so it would have had to have been flying straight for at least a little while. With no broken lamp posts or whatever maybe it came in at an angle, therefore it wouldnt have hit the lawn or the surrounding objects.

Unless our government is launching missles at its own multi-million dollar buildings they would have didtected any missles long before they got there and taken preventative measures. Furthermore where would the missle have come from and if you were going to take the hassle to launch a missle at the pentagon dont you think they would have used one that might have caused a little more damage.

I agree with BMG_Cya=-. The gov isnt going to make there defenses stick out like a sore thumb.

As for unreleased video, if they revealed where all the cameras were then someone could .

Just my thoughts. Whatever actually happened doesnt matter. Actions have already been taken and unless theres a way to go back in time theres no way to change them.(pretty sure theres a *theory* out there that says we can but its a just an assumption based on limited information or knowledge; a conjecture.)
deff gotten from dictionary.com

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It may be a week or two, as I want to do this about...mmm..1 time.

Nacht

one of the times i agree whole heartedly with you.

digerati

So then what happened to the people who died in that plane O.o Are they still alive? Did they never exist? That makes no sense to me.

Nacht

yea...i like the explanation for that. They were mystically shuttled off by fairies!

Borealis

I had a comp. programming teacher back in school, used to work for boeing and lockheed back in the day (waaaay back in the day) he said he supposedly worked on the SR-71 Blackbird on something like the airfoils or similar.

He was dead set that it was possible to jump the space-time continum(sp), said he also worked on some sort of joint project with lockheed and boeing to achieve it, obviously didn't succeed. He also claimed he was abducted by aliens called "binky bears" . Strange guy, maybe he spent too much time cooped up in a lab, for being a such a weirdo he was a friggin genius though.

Sorry to go off topic, just read what captinSxB wrote and had to mention it.

Falstaff

I think what your referring to is using the earths magnetic field or any energized magnetic field to manipulate matter or change the path of an electron so as to make something disappear, rather than actually folding space. Rather like using magnets to focus a beam of electrons past or onto a screen like a television set. I was stationed at Fallon AFB in the Nevada desert and what I have seen would make jaws drop even today. The technology that we see on the news and in our magazines is pale in comparison to what is out there. If you think this is old news, then look up Mr. Tesla's bio and his experiments, he was really on to something a hundred years ago.

by the way, a passenger jetliner really did hit the Pentagon...sigh.
people just wont give that argument up at all. My 2nd ex wife works there, she knows better than anyone what happened, she was there.

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Dom

That's the obvious question but it doesn't discredit anything. It's not unlike Governernments to kill their own citizens, it is?

Dom

Yes, Jeff, it is extemely unlikely for a Government employee to lie.

ToshiroOC

No more likely than any other human being. People seem to dehumanize the government, talk about the BIG NASTY IMPERVIOUS GOVERNMENT, but the fact of the matter is the government is made up of human beings, and its suprising how far you can get by treating the people on the other end in the government as such, instead of treating them like they're some implacable force behind the curtain.

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Dom

Well of course they're human, that's exactly it. They have inherent human traits. Like being corruptable and capable of evil, just like anyone else. They're the ones with immense powers, able to do most anything, and the higher up the chain; the more power they have.

Remember, "power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely".

Borealis

Yeah, like you said fallang. He fried my brain too much in class to rememeber half the other things he said.

So jeff.....tell me what you've seen.

I don't believe for a minute though that the gov't is being completely up front with what happened at the pentagon, regardless of what anyone says. Not after seeing and reading so much more into it.

When I see clear video footage of the plane actually slamming into the pentagon then maybe I'll change my tune. Until then....hell no.