The_Neon_Cowboy

But there are more votes comeing from bushes side...
I'm not wong i'm going by polling's numbers....

bush vs nader vs kerry [color=red]=[/color] kerry wins by a few percent=likely bush loose
bush vs kerry [color=red]=[/color] bush wins by several percent=clean win

NADER IS ONLY ON 11 STATE BALLOTS...

NADER IS ONLY ON 11 STATE BALLOTS...

NADER IS ONLY ON 11 STATE BALLOTS...

he didn't even bother to meet his obligations in the other 39 states!!!
Now tell me there isn't an alterior motive to nader running...

Tell me again how nader helps bush? except to help him to loose??? To kerry...

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pr0digal jenius

alterior motive or not the man has every right in the world to run...i'm not gunna vote for him, but i am gunna stand by the fact that others should have the option to if they so choose


question for ya neon.....would you be digging up facts and calling foul on ross perot if he ran again, or are we only mad at those who split the almighty W's votes?

ToshiroOC

Yes you can.

Lets say you get 40% that say they voted for Bush, 40% that say they voted for Kerry, and 20% that refused to respond. You have a confidence level of 100% that the votes for Bush are between 40% and 60%, and that the votes for Kerry are between 40% and 60%. As you slide that range down, your confidence level goes down, and indeed if you really wanted you could just assume that DNR responses were not biased towards either party, letting you get an even better statistical picture of the outcome.

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pr0digal jenius

"And if someone comes out and gives an inaccurate answer, you just mark it as "did not respond" and add them to the error margin, not that big of a deal."

you said innacurate answer, not 'refused to respond'...i agree with the marking of non response as DNR..i thought you emant people who you thought lied you were gunna mark or something...lol

but still...statistics is the art of lying with numbers, so i put about as much faith in polls as i do in weather forecasts

Dom

This is how, Neon.

ABC News
Ralph Nader, the independent presidential candidate most Democrats would like to go away, arrived in the party's convention city Friday and complained that the party is thwarting his White House bid.
Nader, whom many Democrats blame for costing Al Gore the presidency in 2000, called on Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry to disavow party tactics that have entangled his campaign in costly legal fights to get on ballots.

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Yahoo! News
Despite Nader's much-publicized failure to get his name on the November ballot in major states like California, Illinois and Texas, the independent presidential candidate is still on track to make the ballot where he could hurt Democrats most — in key battleground states.
A full picture of exactly which states will list Nader might not emerge for another month as petitions are examined, signatures certified and Democrats pursue legal challenges to weaken the candidate they believe draws precious votes away from John Kerry, their nominee.

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The Washington Post
The Michigan Republican Party submitted more than 40,000 signatures last week in a bid to get independent presidential candidate Ralph Nader on the state's November ballot.
Of course, this is not really about helping Nader. It is all about helping President Bush and hurting Democratic presidential candidate John F. Kerry's campaign in a closely contested state.

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USA Today
Ralph Nader's bid to get on the state ballot in November apparently got some help from Republicans who gathered to see President Bush during a campaign stop Friday.
David Carney, a founder of Norway Hill Associates, a Hancock consulting firm, said an intern in his office had hired between 10 and 15 temporary workers to gather signatures for Nader near Bush's campaign stop in Stratham.

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ABC News
Consumer advocate Ralph Nader's quixotic presidential campaign says it submitted about 5,400 signatures to get on the Michigan ballot, far short of the required number of 30,000. Luckily for him, approximately 43,000 signatures were filed by Michigan Republicans on his behalf, more than meeting the requirement.
This week in Michigan, state Democrats filed a complaint to challenge a majority of those signatures, which they say are invalid. It is one chapter in an odd but potentially history-altering side story of this presidential election: Pro-Nader Republicans and anti-Nader Democrats may now be waging more aggressive Nader campaigns than even Nader's own effort.

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MSNBC
Among the notable: Richard Egan, Bush's former ambassador to Ireland. Egan raised more than $100,000 as a Bush Pioneer in 2000 and at least $200,000 this cycle as one of the Rangers, the Bush campaign's most elite fund-raising circle. In 2001 Egan contributed $100,000 of his own money to help pay for Bush's Inauguration, while he and his family rank among the biggest contributors to the Republican Party in general, giving nearly $1 million to the GOP since 1999, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. And according to Nader's campaign-finance reports, Egan, his son John and his daughter-in-law Pamela each contributed the maximum $2,000 donation to Nader's effort. Egan declined to comment to NEWSWEEK.

HawgsHead

Let ALL the left wing whocko tree hugging libs run!!!It just takes votes away from John Kerry.

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The_Neon_Cowboy

if kerry wins pass the cigars
least i'd be in a better place then ...


so your saying the polls are wrong? i'm going by the number refurd to by CNN and fox news wich clearly indicate most the vote come from bushes side of the fence...lowering the gap between a bush win kerry lose, meaning kerry needs less to win with nader on the ballot...

either way hes in a postion to unfairly and greatly infulence the election result
I'd rather the next president not be picked by one person wouldn't you?

I'd guess i'd be called a republican, though i'm more independant I'm for what i'm for agenst what i'm agenst i could care less what a party or group belives or says. the "party" crap is not for me regardless of party some people sem better for some jobs that who should be voted for...

I beleave under bush america will be better (it will in some ways, others not)

you may beleave under kerry america will be better (it will in some ways, others not)

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HawgsHead

You know what scares the hell outta me???08,then we have to deal with BILLary Clinton!

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Dom

Yes, I'm saying they're wrong, and so do the links I posted. Polls don't mean much, it's averages. A few thousand people don't represent the millions that vote.

Nacht

that scares me too. possibly the only human more liberal than john kerry himself (that has a chance of winning).

Eurotrash

Ralph Nader's Speech -- right in president Bush's backyard in Crawford, Texas

http://www.sacredcow.com/media/sourc...ical/nader.wmv
http://www.sacredcow.com/media/links...l/nader_sm.ram (dialup)

http://www.sacredcow.com/allnew/inde...p?n=multimedia