Russia, Beslan

DirtyRussian · Sep 6, 2004, 04:33 AM

I don't know if anyone was following the developments in town of Beslan, Russian. I sure have. I suppose i am sad and dissapointed, and somewhat angry at the whole thing:

The russian military fucked up.
The russian presedend and ministers are mute.
The whole country is in uproar.

But the f*ckin terrorists, god damn, those were just kids!! for cryin out loud. Jesus.

DirtyRussian · Sep 6, 2004, 04:34 AM

Goto www.pravda.ru for info (available in english)

ToshiroOC · Sep 6, 2004, 08:04 AM

I have been, and I have to say, Putin is taking the wrong tack here. What the right tack is, I have no clue, since neither side will give up Chechnya, but when a thousand children are taken hostage for multiple days, you must suspect something is not being done right.

Falstaff · Sep 6, 2004, 02:23 PM

I managed to get some good news from the DW news out of Berlin, nothing but photos of charred bodies and the burned out building where the children were housed, this rivals Waco in scope and parallels the techniques used by the FBI during that siege as well. Putin's address stressed that he would not comprimise in the battle against the Chechin terrorists. Wont they didnt mention is that these terrorists are Muslim or not.

~~squall Leonhart~~ · Sep 6, 2004, 02:31 PM

anyone with msn messenger put a rose in front of their name, its something me and my gf and her freinds have started,

ToshiroOC · Sep 7, 2004, 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by fallang_jeff

I managed to get some good news from the DW news out of Berlin, nothing but photos of charred bodies and the burned out building where the children were housed, this rivals Waco in scope and parallels the techniques used by the FBI during that siege as well. Putin's address stressed that he would not comprimise in the battle against the Chechin terrorists. Wont they didnt mention is that these terrorists are Muslim or not.

The Chechens in a previous bid for independence managed to install their own government in the area (though they didn't have full control of the place), and tried to impose Sharia law, Muslim religious law. I would guess that many of the separatists tied to the same faction that brought that government to power are Muslim, if not all of them.

Nacht · Sep 7, 2004, 04:55 AM

this is not the first time that russia has done such things. remember the sub incident a few years back where they refused aid? it costs the sailors their lives. it's insane..they try to save face, and end up sacrificing their own people.

ToshiroOC · Sep 7, 2004, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Nacht

this is not the first time that russia has done such things. remember the sub incident a few years back where they refused aid? it costs the sailors their lives. it's insane..they try to save face, and end up sacrificing their own people.

The Kursk was also a nuclear sub - there were other reasons in them refusing help, including them fearing US submariners going in and getting a good look at relatively undamaged state of the art Russian nuclear sub tech.

Nacht · Sep 7, 2004, 02:05 PM

Yes, that's true...but the Cold War is/was over, and has been over...so I dont quite understand the vehement reaction to such a rescue plan. I mean we're talking about the entire submarine crew here, each with a wife and possibly children. It's horrid to think of such things.

lenchmob · Sep 7, 2004, 04:36 PM

Anytime children are lost be it in Palestine, Gaaza, Belsan Russia, Baghdad or anywhere for that matter it is a tragic day for all of humanity..

ToshiroOC · Sep 8, 2004, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Nacht

Yes, that's true...but the Cold War is/was over, and has been over...so I dont quite understand the vehement reaction to such a rescue plan. I mean we're talking about the entire submarine crew here, each with a wife and possibly children. It's horrid to think of such things.

We still are installing anti-ICBM systems to forestall a nuclear ICBM threat - which at the moment ONLY comes from Russia (though China in the future may pose an ICBM threat). We still have a nuclear arsenal on high alert ready to blow Russia out of the water... just in case. Cold war may be over, but our military sure as hell doesn't act like it in some major ways, and I don't doubt Russia's military (which controlled the Kursk) is still half fighting the Cold war like ours.

Nacht · Sep 8, 2004, 06:15 PM

no, we have threats from many nations with ICBMs. Russia's are uncontrolled right now...they've had so many political and economic problems that those things can end up in the hands of just about anybody. North Korea is probably very high on the list...India and Pakistan are looking to duke it out between themselves, so we might be safe there...but still.

the main reason we still have all of them aimed at russia is because thats where they were programmed...and just havent been changed. russia also have nearly the arsenal we have. it doesnt surprise me that the nukes are still aimed at russia...where are you supposed to aim over 1k warheads?

ToshiroOC · Sep 9, 2004, 04:02 AM

NK, India, and Pakistan may all have nuclear bombs, but they aren't capable of shooting them over to the continental USA on a rocket.

Alistair · Sep 9, 2004, 03:07 PM

Actually from what I understand NK could hit the West Coast.

RDoggy · Sep 11, 2004, 03:58 AM

Funny no blame placed on the Islama Facists.
Let's call them what they are and quit pussyfooting around. The terrorists who are kidnapping and bombing and hijacking around the world are Islamic fascists. They are a minority who have hijacked one of the world's great religions and now besmirch the tenets of that noble faith. They are ready to kill anyone they find who doesn't believe in the same extreme doctrines they've had pumped into their heads.

Nacht · Sep 11, 2004, 06:46 PM

That is true, RDoggy, but these are Cechen (sp?) rebels...they arent so much fighting for their religion as they are for their independence. it's the same problem that the UK has with the IRA

Sep 6, 2004, 04:33 AM	#1
DirtyRussian DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Ohio Posts: 80 Rep Power: 0	Russia, Beslan I don't know if anyone was following the developments in town of Beslan, Russian. I sure have. I suppose i am sad and dissapointed, and somewhat angry at the whole thing: The russian military fucked up. The russian presedend and ministers are mute. The whole country is in uproar. But the f*ckin terrorists, god damn, those were just kids!! for cryin out loud. Jesus.

Sep 6, 2004, 08:04 AM	#3
ToshiroOC Unbiased. Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 4,812 Rep Power: 0	I have been, and I have to say, Putin is taking the wrong tack here. What the right tack is, I have no clue, since neither side will give up Chechnya, but when a thousand children are taken hostage for multiple days, you must suspect something is not being done right. __________________ [img][/img] [color=White]Peace be with you, Joe.[/color] Driverheaven Staff Member (Supermoderator)

Sep 6, 2004, 02:23 PM	#4
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	I managed to get some good news from the DW news out of Berlin, nothing but photos of charred bodies and the burned out building where the children were housed, this rivals Waco in scope and parallels the techniques used by the FBI during that siege as well. Putin's address stressed that he would not comprimise in the battle against the Chechin terrorists. Wont they didnt mention is that these terrorists are Muslim or not. __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Sep 7, 2004, 04:36 PM	#10
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Sep 9, 2004, 04:02 AM	#13
ToshiroOC Unbiased. Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 4,812 Rep Power: 0	NK, India, and Pakistan may all have nuclear bombs, but they aren't capable of shooting them over to the continental USA on a rocket. __________________ [img][/img] [color=White]Peace be with you, Joe.[/color] Driverheaven Staff Member (Supermoderator)

Sep 6, 2004, 04:34 AM	Thread Starter #2
DirtyRussian DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Ohio Posts: 80 Rep Power: 0	Goto www.pravda.ru for info (available in english)

Sep 6, 2004, 02:31 PM	#5
~~squall Leonhart~~ The Gunblade Master Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: um.... here Posts: 938 Rep Power: 0	anyone with msn messenger put a rose in front of their name, its something me and my gf and her freinds have started,

Sep 7, 2004, 04:55 AM	#7
Nacht ein Krieger Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Clemson Uni Posts: 3,127 Rep Power: 0	this is not the first time that russia has done such things. remember the sub incident a few years back where they refused aid? it costs the sailors their lives. it's insane..they try to save face, and end up sacrificing their own people.

Sep 7, 2004, 02:05 PM	#9
Nacht ein Krieger Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Clemson Uni Posts: 3,127 Rep Power: 0	Yes, that's true...but the Cold War is/was over, and has been over...so I dont quite understand the vehement reaction to such a rescue plan. I mean we're talking about the entire submarine crew here, each with a wife and possibly children. It's horrid to think of such things.

Sep 8, 2004, 06:15 PM	#12
Nacht ein Krieger Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Clemson Uni Posts: 3,127 Rep Power: 0	no, we have threats from many nations with ICBMs. Russia's are uncontrolled right now...they've had so many political and economic problems that those things can end up in the hands of just about anybody. North Korea is probably very high on the list...India and Pakistan are looking to duke it out between themselves, so we might be safe there...but still. the main reason we still have all of them aimed at russia is because thats where they were programmed...and just havent been changed. russia also have nearly the arsenal we have. it doesnt surprise me that the nukes are still aimed at russia...where are you supposed to aim over 1k warheads?

Sep 9, 2004, 03:07 PM	#14
Alistair Spoos Join Date: May 2002 Location: State College, PA, USA Posts: 435 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Actually from what I understand NK could hit the West Coast. __________________ - Alistair

Sep 11, 2004, 03:58 AM	#15
RDoggy DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 106 Rep Power: 0	Funny no blame placed on the Islama Facists. Let's call them what they are and quit pussyfooting around. The terrorists who are kidnapping and bombing and hijacking around the world are Islamic fascists. They are a minority who have hijacked one of the world's great religions and now besmirch the tenets of that noble faith. They are ready to kill anyone they find who doesn't believe in the same extreme doctrines they've had pumped into their heads.

Sep 11, 2004, 06:46 PM	#16
Nacht ein Krieger Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Clemson Uni Posts: 3,127 Rep Power: 0	That is true, RDoggy, but these are Cechen (sp?) rebels...they arent so much fighting for their religion as they are for their independence. it's the same problem that the UK has with the IRA