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what exactly are these things?



theyre not contrails



theres numerous reports of these 'spraying' worldwide

read up on it
http://www.rense.com/politics6/chemdatapage.html
http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=fp...t&p=chemtrails

Dom

Well...I hope whatever is going on it's nothing bad, because I've seen these things in my own neighborhood several times, including today.

Nacht

"spraying"?

how are they not contrails?

plus if it was chem spraying...wouldnt it be in a much wider path? it had better be, because a line like that would be rather useless.

Dom

Well, upon reading through the posted links, these "chemtrails", unlike contrails, don't dissipate with in several minutes like contrails do. They last hours and turn in to what look like clouds. I, myself can verify this because these trails are all over the sky above me and have been for a few hours now. I could take a picture, if you'd like?

Nacht

look at the picture i posted, it's from observatory photos...and they are described as specifically "contrails", with cirrus clouds surrounding them. they continue off into the distance for a good distance, indicating that they have been there for longer than several minutes.

besides in this picture:

it is impossible for those cirrus clouds to be from the trail anyways. they are on clearly different altitudes as the "chemtrail" has not been wavered at all, while the clouds have been blown a good bit.

Dom

Okay, but why do these planes make several passes over the same spot? I just find it more than a little disconcerning 'cause after reading this thread (a couple of hours ago) I went and watched these things spread out just like in the pictures above.

Nacht

i honestly cant answer that...where do you live? you might happen to live near one of those aircraft navigation radio beacons...thus they would cross over you often.

im just trying to find a rational explanation, as tthis to me seems a little irrational.

Dom

Queens, NY. I've been seeing these things for a few years now, I just figured they were nothing. BTW, there's nothing over here but residential places.

Nacht

the VORs (what aircraft use to navigate) are located near you. you have Laguardia and JFK both taking in flights, and issuing holding patterns. given your location from the airport, it is not suprising that there are aircraft criss crossing over your location.

Dom

Oh, you meant airports? Okay, yeahs those are near me.

ToshiroOC

What says a contrail cannot act as a nucleation point for a new cloud?

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Dom

I don't know what can do what but I wanna make sure this is just contrails.

pr0digal jenius

they definately exist, as these can't be contrails, nor 'saint elmo's fire'

ToshiroOC

Good luck finding funding for a weather balloon and spectrometers to check the composition of the air up there.

In response to pr0digal's post above me... that looks like a flight testing plane specifically designed to throw smoke out of its back so they can see the airflow behind the plane. Where did you get the picture? 10bux says it came from a flight R&D center.

edit: Here, look at a few NASA/Dryden pictures of Boeings doing the smoke thing:

http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/Gallery/Photo/B-727/index.html

http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/Gallery/Photo/B-747/index.html

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The_Neon_Cowboy

oh god not another conspiracy theory...my god people are saying it's everything from the USA to control the world weather enviroment to mind control how lame, and that it's showed up and become more and more frequnt with the bush administantion... and that the celluar towers are going to be used to control us hogwash
http://www.rense.com/general53/yourlifeasahuman.htm

you guys realize the amount of moisture in the air determines how long and large the I don't know the proper names I’ll call them "jet trails" through the sky from jet engines...

when you see them and they are larger usually it rains in the next few days.. It’s an indicator of how much moisture is in the atmosphere…

just ask a meteorologist

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Originally Posted by Dom Okay, but why do these planes make several passes over the same spot? I just find it more than a little disconcerning 'cause after reading this thread (a couple of hours ago) I went and watched these things spread out just like in the pictures above.

plane flys on thing called flight paths... they pre determand common routes they often fallow to multiple destinations it's likely done for thier resons..
ecpeally if you live anywre near an air port you see them take the same pathsover and over and over....

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Dom

Spare me, Neon. I wasn't the one whom posted this thread. I merely asked a question regarding what was happening in the sky above my home.

Thanks you Tosh, for the clarification.

The_Neon_Cowboy

not picking on you...

I just find it odd the people that see conspericy everywere at fist it may make since.. then i started reading the links then it was appaerent i was reading page written by loons

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Dom

Calling my opinion and question "lame" is criticizm, in my opinion. Especially when I am asking a legitimate question with photographic evidence. Just because you don't believe in "conspiracy theories" and classify this as one, doesn't mean it is one. Doing such is ignorant.

pr0digal jenius

notice the smoke is comign from the jets and the tip of the wings. the jets produce exhaust, and the tip of the wings creates a rippling phenomenon referred to as st. elmo's fire, here is the encylopedia definition:

Saint Elmo's fire, luminous discharge of electricity extending into the atmosphere from some projecting or elevated object. It is usually observed (often during a snowstorm or a dust storm) as brushlike fiery jets extending from the tips of a ship's mast or spar, a wing, propeller, or other part of an aircraft, a steeple, a mountain top, or even from blades of grass or horns of cattle. Sometimes it plays about the head of a person, causing a tingling sensation. The phenomenon occurs when the atmosphere becomes charged and an electrical potential strong enough to cause a discharge is created between an object and the air around it. The amount of electricity involved is not great enough to be dangerous. The appearance of St. Elmo's fire is regarded as a portent of bad weather. The phenomenon, also known as corposant, was long regarded with superstitious awe.


and neon - conspiracy keeps you on your toes and makes sure you don't become complacent and senile in the ways of the world

The_Neon_Cowboy

when did i ever use the world "lame" or call it such, I moved you quote from the top an made another comment... below my orgional one


as what i quoted before...

have you read what these people are saying....
here's just one page of many... fact or fiction it's as far fecthed
as any tale of fiction...

I assumed mabe you had also read some of the posted links as I did..
I only expessed my openion that this is some supposed covert conspericy thery appers to be bogas...


Your Life As A Human
Test Subject - Chemtrails
CMAQ
6-8-4


You Are Now Electro-Sensitive

The spraying of powdered materials throughout the skies of the world is happening on a daily basis everywhere. This has been going on with increasing frequency since the so-called "Election" of the bush crime family to leadership positions in America. Hardly a day goes by now where jets do not lay down chemical trails in grids and canopies. This is support for technology being used against the population of the world. Its main goal is control of food and water through weather modification, but the vast vast expense of this program, as well as the classified technology of corporations such as Time Domain Corporation, suggest even greater goals are being obtained in conjunction with the attempt to lock down food and water. Monsanto Corporation is also deeply involved in this illegal take-over, and many others. Electro-sensitivity of the soil itself will only allow GM crops to crow eventually. Get it? I knew you would.


Ionization of these sprayed particles also causes many forms of radiation to rain down upon the as yet unsuspecting populace of the world, as well as lensing programs to dehydrate land and dry up water sources. The first lie of the NWO animals is that a shield is needed because the atmosphere has been depleted -- it is too bad that THEY themselves can now deplete the atmosphere at any time and thus CREATE THAT NEED.


The true crux of the program is to create conductivity within all life on the surface of the planet, by spraying conductive materials which inevitably end up in the soil, the water, the air, and the food. Great inroads have been made in the last few decades concerning electronic coercion through thought entrainment and other electronic stimulus; some examples of this include Paperclip, MK-ULTRA, Pandora, and the work of the so-called Doctor Delgado.


Spraying of conductive materials was preceded just slightly with the widespread use of cell phones, and it is a fair and reasonable contention that the cell phones are just a cover for the deployment of broadcast towers everywhere, a necessary adjunct to electronic mind control and automated law enforcement. Look around yourselves, the evidence is before your eyes. Towers everywhere and daily spraying of chemicals in American skies, as well as all over the world, will give you a fair clue of just what the new world order with its nazi connections is all about. Electro-sensitivity is being created so that the populace will respond in a predictable way to various forms of broadcast energy being used for control and coercion. There are also implants being used on a broad scale, in places such as veterans hospitals, and dental labs, and these are used also for coercion, and act as tracking devices too. Finally, the two bush gulf wars were nothing but testing fields for biotech infections that react to electronic broadcast fields. Now, enemies of the State in the US are systematically targeted by The Brethren Operation within the bush CIA for coercion through direct pain. It is more than unfortunate that most of the medical records pertaining to the first bush gulf war have now been destroyed. They were stored in the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, when it was demolished by individuals possessing all the symptoms of advanced nazi mind control science. Broadcast towers are simply the means to control the mass. The hard cases are targeted with handheld and airborn fields which cause accelerated growth of funguses and cancers these freedom fighters have been intentionallly infected with. No one can escape this attack on the world by a few degraded non-human animals, and only mass awareness and violent removal will end this depredation against humanity



And remember this: Russia perfected and used this Tesla-Like technology long before the United States. It was in fact that happening which caused Reagan to go into an orgy of spending once that fact was discovered.

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pr0digal jenius

*slaps neon with a fish*...big fonts are evil

there are radicals for both sides, must we dwell on them?

and i must say i would rather be over scrutinous then lay down and accept everythign told to me

The_Neon_Cowboy

lol I know but I disn't want to monkey with it and people are more likely to read it in it orgional large font...

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ToshiroOC

If you'll excuse me for saying so, I think that bringing in phenomena such as St. Elmo's fire isn't valid at all. This plane was specifically rigged to release SMOKE from ports on the wings. It isn't coming out of the jets, the smoke nozzles were put behind the jets so the air coming out of the jets would be visible in the movement of the smoke.

Does the smoke coming out of those wingtips look even remotely like a "luminous discharge of electricity"?

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Nacht

in that picture it is released smoke. In flight, no exhaust can be seen behind the engines, and no contrails are apparent directly behind the engine. they form a little distance back as the air cools again. so that is definately smoke for air flow testing.

Sandok

Way too much consiracys I find.... Comon, at that altitude, u spray CHEMS and what? They get dissapated to the tiniest amount possible making them harmless... It's as if you drink a 0.01ml of mercury... Though very dangereous, it won't do a thing to you at that concentration... These are all over here in CH and I'm not that far from an airport... And if you watch carefully, they start to get dissapated in certain areas (wind and all)

EDIT: I just read that guys site (the first one posted) and I must say, the guy is a paranoid fool blaming everyone but himself...

Matth

Who knows what pollution rains down on us, even if it isn't deliberate - and with the transport, power, fuel and other industreis being worth millions, and having many political friends, just how independent can any research be.

Not convinced that anything deliberate is being done, but I'd be amazed if potential problems were not being covered up.

As far as I can see, true contrails come from the wingtips, and dissipate quickly.
Dirty trails come from the engines, with combustion products from the hydrocarbons and additives - the hydrocarbons will result in only CO2, CO, and H20, but the complex additives will be of trade secret composition, and may well be toxic in sufficient quantity.

Nacht

combustion products dont make trails though...the trails seen behind planes are from the engines, but i believe its from condensation forming because of the rapid heating/cooling of the air.

Sandok

Most surely.... Nothing else is happening or can happen!

GutterPunk

you can see these trails on a cear sky, never turning to clouds

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Judas

weather changing.. possible... and the test are being run.. chemtrails... bah......

you don't need to do it that way....

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