Do you believe in......

Zelig · Feb 25, 2005, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by [)arkNova

Tells me nothing about how matter and light just appeared from no where.

Okay then, I won't.

The big bang theory doesn't hold that matter and energy appeared from nowhere, just that it was compressed into an extremely dense space before the big bang, the theory doesn't account for anything before that.

The ekpyrotic universe theory provides for matter and energy having existed indefinitly into the past, with or without big bangs, and takes entropy into account. (Too bad I don't understand string theory yet.

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[)arkNova · Feb 26, 2005, 05:07 PM

[color=blue]Theories after theories. There is one thing we both will agree to. Those theories will be changed and abandoned. History will tell us that. It all goes back to faith. Faith in your theories that hold no proof. Or faith in a being that needs no creation to be created that also holds no proof to many people. I just think it takes a smaller leap of faith to believe in a creator than your god,science. Science that can't proove something came from nothing. Matter and energy just didn't appear.[/color]

hordaktheman · Feb 26, 2005, 06:07 PM

Voted no. I have a bit of a problem with the whole free-will thing, in that I don't choose what I believe.

Sandok · Feb 26, 2005, 06:27 PM

You know, no one will ever be able to prove that god and stuff exists or if he doesn't. I mean, life most probably started by a random metoer strike but we will NEVER find out. God might have pointed his big finger in the ocean and started life but we will never know (but just typing that sounded silly

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That's my I am neither religous or atheist but agnostic.

nitrousoxide52 · Feb 26, 2005, 06:45 PM

If there is a god (which I don't think there is) why would he (would "he" even be male?) be in human form? In greek mythology the human form was not dominant in their stories until the later years of the culture, when the stories had snowballed into humans killing all cyclopes and putting them on an island, or something like that. My point is would god really be a human form, or have a gender?

Zelig · Feb 27, 2005, 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by [)arkNova

[color=blue]Theories after theories. There is one thing we both will agree to. Those theories will be changed and abandoned. History will tell us that. It all goes back to faith. Faith in your theories that hold no proof. Or faith in a being that needs no creation to be created that also holds no proof to many people. I just think it takes a smaller leap of faith to believe in a creator than your god,science. Science that can't proove something came from nothing. Matter and energy just didn't appear.[/color]

Not all theories get abandoned, some get investigated fully and become recognized as laws.

Science is not my god, it is the process through which humans understand the universe.

Science doesn't need to prove that anything came from nothing. Check out some articles on ekpyrotic universes, matter/energy could have existed forever.

Duranix · Feb 27, 2005, 03:02 AM

no, and here is why

www.evilbible.com

also, it just doesnt fit in with my mind.

Zelig · Feb 27, 2005, 03:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Duranix

no, and here is why

www.evilbible.com

also, it just doesnt fit in with my mind.

Although you may have noticed from my posts that I don't have any belief in a higher power, I don't think anything like that is a good reason to think badly of religions or systems of belief.

The majority of religious people are no worse than non-religious people in their actions, and very few would claim common ground with the bible presented by that website.

TJ- · Feb 27, 2005, 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Duranix

www.evilbible.com

Warpy · Mar 3, 2005, 02:32 AM

I believe in God, and heaven, but I think the understanding is a little blurred by some groups when it comes to hell and the devil.

Since the words devil and satan are mentioned in the Bible during the time when Jesus Christ was on the earth its important to note the context of each verse.

Old Testiment was written is Hebrew
New Testiment was written in Greek

Hebrew word for devil: adversary

Hebrew word for Hell: Hades - The grave, not a community of demons and evil people living together underground, put there by God becuase of sinful acts, planning the next wave of attacks to make people sin with the help of some crazy super demon called Satan.

[)arkNova · Mar 3, 2005, 03:12 AM

Good job warpy,I don't agree with you on political things but I agree that there is a God. For you unbelievers, aren't you scared to die? You will be gone forever.Why not try to investigate another avenue of life?Will it hurt?You might discover some happiness or some hope.Hope is a powerful thing. Death is also.

Warpy · Mar 3, 2005, 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by [)arkNova

Good job warpy,I don't agree with you on political things but I agree that there is a God.

You must note that my view on politics is mearly a game of devils advocate, there is a member on DH that is obessed with his country and seems to get very uptight when his gov is questioned, hence my comments my posts

Warpy · Mar 3, 2005, 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by [)arkNova

For you unbelievers, aren't you scared to die? You will be gone forever.Why not try to investigate another avenue of life?Will it hurt?You might discover some happiness or some hope.Hope is a powerful thing. Death is also.

People don't wish to believe - if they did responsiblity will have to follow, and the majority dont want restrictions in their life, the "I do what I want" attitude is more dominant, hence the "if it feels good then do it", which means forgetting what the Bible states as moral and immoral.

TJ- · Mar 3, 2005, 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Warpy

You must note that my view on politics is mearly a game of devils advocate, there is a member on DH that is obessed with his country and seems to get very uptight when his gov is questioned, hence my comments my posts

i wonder who that is..... oh well time to ride my bmx

Warpy · Mar 3, 2005, 07:40 AM

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i wonder who that is..... oh well time to ride my bmx

Falstaff · Mar 3, 2005, 07:42 AM

Oh I dont know, I think there are lots of patriotic and spiritual people that have no problem defending their positions.

YAYitsAndrew · Mar 3, 2005, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Warpy

People don't wish to believe - if they did responsiblity will have to follow, and the majority dont want restrictions in their life, the "I do what I want" attitude is more dominant, hence the "if it feels good then do it", which means forgetting what the Bible states as moral and immoral.

That's a pretty disrespectful statement. You can't assume that everyone who doesn't have religion is skirting responsibility or acting on animal instinct. Morality can exist without faith, it just takes a stronger person to do so. Who's the more responsible person: the one who is nice to others because it is the respectful thing to do, or the one who is nice to others because he doesn't want to burn for eternity? They should be equal; who cares why they do what they do, just that they do the right thing.

Typical religious attitude; everyone who's not with you is a lesser human being. The CAUSE doesn't matter, it's all in the RESULTS.

Warpy · Mar 3, 2005, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by YAYitsAndrew

Typical religious attitude; everyone who's not with you is a lesser human being. The CAUSE doesn't matter, it's all in the RESULTS.

ehh... what results?

Zelig · Mar 4, 2005, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by [)arkNova

Good job warpy,I don't agree with you on political things but I agree that there is a God. For you unbelievers, aren't you scared to die? You will be gone forever.Why not try to investigate another avenue of life?Will it hurt?You might discover some happiness or some hope.Hope is a powerful thing. Death is also.

I'm not really scared to die, I don't welcome the prospect but it's inevitable, so I might as well accept it.

I grew up in a mostly Christian family and used to believe in a god, but I don't any longer. I have investigated many avenues of life, and this appears to be the best one for now.

I doubt I'll discover any more happiness being religious. Seeing as how I believe I'll simply cease to exist when I die, I'm making sure I make the most out of my life.

Senor_Mota · Mar 4, 2005, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Zelig

I doubt I'll discover any more happiness being religious. Seeing as how I believe I'll simply cease to exist when I die, I'm making sure I make the most out of my life.

Wise words.

Did you derive your name from the Woody Allen movie of the same name?

Zelig · Mar 4, 2005, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Senor_Mota

Did you derive your name from the Woody Allen movie of the same name?

No, I needed a name to use on the internet, so I started flipping from the back in a dictionary.

I only learned of the movie after the fact, when I was first asked the question of its origin.

[)arkNova · Mar 4, 2005, 11:27 PM

You may say you aren't scared now. But, in your dying hour,will you be? You would be a fool not to be.I'm a little scared,but I believe it is only the begining to a new experience. If you believe in this world and demension of space,why not believe there may be another?

nitrousoxide52 · Mar 4, 2005, 11:51 PM

I'm not scared of death, it's inevitable, so why be scared of something that is going to happen no matter what we do?

Zelig · Mar 5, 2005, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by [)arkNova

You may say you aren't scared now. But, in your dying hour,will you be? You would be a fool not to be.I'm a little scared,but I believe it is only the begining to a new experience. If you believe in this world and demension of space,why not believe there may be another?

Because the evidence I have at my disposal points to the fact that there isn't any other.

I seriously am not afraid of death, and doubt that I will ever be. I understand why most people are but I don't see anything there to scare me.

I hope that I don't change my convictions when I'm close to my death, though I realize many people do so when they near their demise due to age. However, if I learned that I had very little time left to live in my life, I don't think I'd be scared, mostly angry at recieving so short a life when I live so much more healthily than the majority of people.

If by some fluke I turn out to be wrong, and there I do retain some sort of existance after I die, I'll be happily mistaken.

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Feb 26, 2005, 05:07 PM	#62
[)arkNova DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 99 Rep Power: 0	[color=blue]Theories after theories. There is one thing we both will agree to. Those theories will be changed and abandoned. History will tell us that. It all goes back to faith. Faith in your theories that hold no proof. Or faith in a being that needs no creation to be created that also holds no proof to many people. I just think it takes a smaller leap of faith to believe in a creator than your god,science. Science that can't proove something came from nothing. Matter and energy just didn't appear.[/color] __________________ [color=blue]Barton 2500 @ 202 X 11 [/color] [color=red]@ 1.675V[/color] [color=deepskyblue]1Gb of 3200 cosair @ 404 [/color] [color=red]@ 2.7V[/color] [color=blue]AN35N Ultra[/color] [color=deepskyblue]9600xt 550/660[/color] [color=blue]Thermaltake pipe 101 @ 42C/31C[/color] [color=red]Fortron 530W[/color]

Feb 26, 2005, 06:45 PM	#65
nitrousoxide52 Driverheaven.com err .net Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,719 Rep Power: 0	If there is a god (which I don't think there is) why would he (would "he" even be male?) be in human form? In greek mythology the human form was not dominant in their stories until the later years of the culture, when the stories had snowballed into humans killing all cyclopes and putting them on an island, or something like that. My point is would god really be a human form, or have a gender? __________________ AMD Athlon64 X2 3800+ XFX Geforce 7800GT ABIT AN8-SLI BFG Tech 650w

Mar 3, 2005, 02:32 AM	#70
Warpy DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: USA Posts: 2,761 Rep Power: 0	I believe in God, and heaven, but I think the understanding is a little blurred by some groups when it comes to hell and the devil. Since the words devil and satan are mentioned in the Bible during the time when Jesus Christ was on the earth its important to note the context of each verse. Old Testiment was written is Hebrew New Testiment was written in Greek Hebrew word for devil: adversary Hebrew word for Hell: Hades - The grave, not a community of demons and evil people living together underground, put there by God becuase of sinful acts, planning the next wave of attacks to make people sin with the help of some crazy super demon called Satan. __________________ The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, "I'm from the government and I'm here to help."

Mar 3, 2005, 03:12 AM	#71
[)arkNova DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 99 Rep Power: 0	Good job warpy,I don't agree with you on political things but I agree that there is a God. For you unbelievers, aren't you scared to die? You will be gone forever.Why not try to investigate another avenue of life?Will it hurt?You might discover some happiness or some hope.Hope is a powerful thing. Death is also. __________________ [color=blue]Barton 2500 @ 202 X 11 [/color] [color=red]@ 1.675V[/color] [color=deepskyblue]1Gb of 3200 cosair @ 404 [/color] [color=red]@ 2.7V[/color] [color=blue]AN35N Ultra[/color] [color=deepskyblue]9600xt 550/660[/color] [color=blue]Thermaltake pipe 101 @ 42C/31C[/color] [color=red]Fortron 530W[/color]

Feb 26, 2005, 06:07 PM	#63
hordaktheman DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0	Voted no. I have a bit of a problem with the whole free-will thing, in that I don't choose what I believe.

Feb 26, 2005, 06:27 PM	#64
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 0	You know, no one will ever be able to prove that god and stuff exists or if he doesn't. I mean, life most probably started by a random metoer strike but we will NEVER find out. God might have pointed his big finger in the ocean and started life but we will never know (but just typing that sounded silly ) That's my I am neither religous or atheist but agnostic.

Feb 27, 2005, 03:02 AM	#67
Duranix DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 614 Rep Power: 0	no, and here is why www.evilbible.com also, it just doesnt fit in with my mind.

Mar 3, 2005, 07:42 AM	#76
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	Oh I dont know, I think there are lots of patriotic and spiritual people that have no problem defending their positions. __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Mar 4, 2005, 11:27 PM	#82
[)arkNova DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 99 Rep Power: 0	You may say you aren't scared now. But, in your dying hour,will you be? You would be a fool not to be.I'm a little scared,but I believe it is only the begining to a new experience. If you believe in this world and demension of space,why not believe there may be another? __________________ [color=blue]Barton 2500 @ 202 X 11 [/color] [color=red]@ 1.675V[/color] [color=deepskyblue]1Gb of 3200 cosair @ 404 [/color] [color=red]@ 2.7V[/color] [color=blue]AN35N Ultra[/color] [color=deepskyblue]9600xt 550/660[/color] [color=blue]Thermaltake pipe 101 @ 42C/31C[/color] [color=red]Fortron 530W[/color]

Mar 4, 2005, 11:51 PM	#83
nitrousoxide52 Driverheaven.com err .net Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,719 Rep Power: 0	I'm not scared of death, it's inevitable, so why be scared of something that is going to happen no matter what we do? __________________ AMD Athlon64 X2 3800+ XFX Geforce 7800GT ABIT AN8-SLI BFG Tech 650w