America #1 ? not after reading this....

mike2h · Mar 7, 2005, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Turtle

Twenty percent of Americans think the sun orbits the earth

i would love to know were they got their info. could go downtown & ask everybody that comes by for the next 2 days & not get that awnser.
i could get some silly answers to other questions though.

i will grant that education is declining in this country. & it scares me. but i still think a lot of these 'facts' are suspect. & contrived.

raid517 · Mar 8, 2005, 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by [)arkNova

1. Yes,if Europe is so innocent, why do they create monsters like Hitler? Also,why do they let the Iraqi women and children starve because of the oil for food program. They knew very well saddam was using that money to make his palaces. That's why they didn't what to go to war ,they would be found out. Because of their own greed. Also Saddam owed money,especially to France. They wanted their money back, then in turn keep Saddam there. While Saddam killed ,raped women,made more mass graves,tortured innocent men.
2.If Europe is soooo great why is America the leading economic force in the world? Always if the American economy slumps,the whole word's economy slumps.
3. Today,France's unemployment hit another high. Over 12% and Germany 10%. Crap with all that education you would think you all would have jobs. AMERICANS ONLY NEED HALF THE BRAIN TO GET 5.3%. Hahahahah. Face it,you Europians will never get to the level we are,never.

What is your problem with Europe? I think you will find that it was the whole world - and not just Europe who agreed to the oil for food program. AND it was an American instagated program to begin with - as it seemed at the time that the sanction regime was too harsh and young children were dying because of it. We all remember Madeline Albrights comments when asked if the death of 100,000 Iraqi children due to the sanctions regime was worthwhile. She said 'yes', that ultimately 'if it helped to contain Saddam, it was worthwile.' So your own country is just as guilty as anyone for what has happend in these last 13 years.

And the let's not forget that the only reason Bush went into Iraq was because there was a massive US energy deficit (read oil) projected to bring the country pretty much to it's knees over the next 25 years or so, unless something radical was done about it. (Read 'oil execs were shit scared they were all going to go bust').

I will never buy it that any of this was about making Iraq a better place. Maybe it was on the agenda somewhere, but it was a long long way down the list.

And as has been pointed out, the US is no longer the greatest economic zone in the world. That privlidge now goes to Europe and the EU. And how can it not be? There are 150 million more people in Europe than there are in the US, it constitues 36 different countries and stradles an area 1/3rd larger than that of the US. Moreover Europe is only set to grow - with several other new countries joining the EU in the very near future. So were are hardly the poor cousins that you appear to imagine us to be.

And yes, the US may be able to 'kick our butts' with all your guns and bombs and tanks and so on. So long that is if you come to Europe and ask us first if you can borrow the money to allow you to do so. Ordinarily for a country that is supposed to be so wealthy, you might imagine that you could pay for all your toys yourself. But it seems that this President is so busy giving all your tax money away to his rich friends that he forgot to leave enough to take care of the economy - or to pay for your clearly oversized armed forces.

Best regards,

GJ

~~Turtle~~ · Mar 8, 2005, 05:35 AM

"1. Yes,if Europe is so innocent, why do they create monsters like Hitler? "

And why does Europe create the greatest mind that ever lived, [color=#003399]Albert Einstein[/color], I guess we will just never know.

Koolaid · Mar 8, 2005, 06:22 AM

I remember playing a few online games where the bulk of the gamers were 'non americans' mostly malaysians and various others. When they found out I was an american they were quick to let me know how much they hated 'us'. It is kinda sad when nationalities clash. I was never real up on history. I have never been in the military. But what seems strange to me is that you never see (or I have not seen) americans start throwing the political feces about how bad some other country is and how much we hate people from said country. It always seems to me that its mostly people from other countries 'getting in our face' about how much they hate us. I guess it is human nature to be jealous of others. That is the only thing I can think of that causes peoplefrom other places to voice thier extremely one sided opinions about how bad Americans / America is.

My son has recently started school. It is almost the end of the year here and he is expected to be able to read some and do picture math.

I remember not having to do any of this until maybe the first or second grade.

Kindergarten was just a place to go during the day and learn to write my name and color between the lines. So-- I would say that our education system is not as high as some places like Japan. But we are not going down hill for sure. My uncle 'rest his soul' used to be the coordinator for the foreign exchange students from Japan to his college he taught at. Often we would have a student stay in our home. There is no doubt that their education system is much more advanced than ours. But if we were so dumb how did we get to be a super power?

As far as who's gonna nuke who. We all should know by now that if just one of us throws a nuke on someone else. The other will be retaliated upon. Missiles cant stop every nuke. And it will probably be the end of life as we all know it upon the earth if even one missile hits its mark as the reprocussions around the world would be staggering.

the end of my 2cents.

~~Turtle~~ · Mar 8, 2005, 06:42 AM

"But if we were so dumb how did we get to be a super power?"

Because of the kinds of people that stayed at your uncles house.

The pakistanis the Japenese, chinese and the list goes on and on. Alot of the great american minds were (are) Imports.

raid517 · Mar 8, 2005, 06:49 AM

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I was never really up on history.

No well maybe you should be. No wonder you are so bemused about why so many people express a distaste for your country. Do you perhaps just think it's an accident that so many people from such a diverse range of countries profess to not liking the foreign policies of your government? You complain about your education system, but do me a favour and without looking it up, name me the leaders of France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Malaysia and Iraq.

Can you do it? I know I can. Don't you think it's odd that you don't know the names of possibly the vast majority of these people? Particularly if for example you can't even name the leader of Iraq - since after all - this is the country you have supposedly been fighting to free for so long. Do you even think you could point to Iraq on a map of the world even if such a map didn't have any writing printed on it? (Military guys are excluded from this, as they are made to learn).

No my friend, the reason you don't see a lot of Americans starting topics discussing the issues occurring in other countries is because the vast majority of Americans are utterly ignorant of any of the issues or events occurring in these other countries. If it doesn't involve any direct US interests, it might as well not exist to you at all. This is also why you are so unaware of all of the things that have been done in your name over the last 60 years or so, which on the whole is what has caused the degree of animosity that exists towards your country today. As wrong as it was, possibly the only people who were really surprised when the twin towers were attacked were a lot of people like you, who had never really taken the time or the trouble to look at what was happening in the world beyond their own front porch.

So maybe you should look a little harder - and maybe you should take those rose tinted glasses that you view your country's history through for a little while - because clearly they are not allowing you to view the full picture.

GJ

Gabriel_Etranil · Mar 8, 2005, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Turtle

"But if we were so dumb how did we get to be a super power?"

Because of the kinds of people that stayed at your uncles house.

The pakistanis the Japenese, chinese and the list goes on and on. Alot of the great american minds were (are) Imports.

All of americas were (are) Imports, no news there. We are the great "melting pot" of the world, but the world hates us. I am so mixed it's not even funny, it seems that the majority of the country's (Europe, etc.) are rasict against mixed races.

Gabriel_Etranil · Mar 8, 2005, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by raid517

What is your problem with Europe? I think you will find that it was the whole world - and not just Europe who agreed to the oil for food program. AND it was an American instagated program to begin with - as it seemed at the time that the sanction regime was too harsh and young children were dying because of it. We all remember Madeline Albrights comments when asked if the death of 100,000 Iraqi children due to the sanctions regime was worthwhile. She said 'yes', that ultimately 'if it helped to contain Saddam, it was worthwile.' So your own country is just as guilty as anyone for what has happend in these last 13 years.

The Europe's UN is not all holy either, they were driving the "oil for guns" program, not to mention all the country they had the "sex for food" programs going.

~~Turtle~~ · Mar 8, 2005, 07:05 AM

(Europe, etc.) are rasict against mixed races.

Where you getting this from? and what do you mean by etc?

Every country/race "hates" another country/race in one way or another, its just the way it is. Its not only against America.

I can tell you Poland "hates" Ukraine they never seamed to get along. I was born in Poland, I know. Then I came to Canada (as a litlle baby lol) and I still see the same dislikes the Poles have against the Ukrainians and vice versa.

Gabriel_Etranil · Mar 8, 2005, 07:09 AM

If you don't understand where I get this from there is no need explaining it.

I lived in Europe for a few years and I was spit at as a kid, and nearly ran over multiple times? So just STFU.

~~Turtle~~ · Mar 8, 2005, 07:13 AM

I was spit at as a kid, and nearly ran over multiple times?

HAHA
Good you dumb Fuck!!

Gabriel_Etranil · Mar 8, 2005, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Turtle

I was spit at as a kid, and nearly ran over multiple times?

HAHA
Good you dumb Fuck!!

Hahhahahahah, damn you assumed it was my fault, shows your personallity right there.

I was spit at by other kids because I was a 6-8 year old kid and wanted to play with the locals.

Second I crossed the street 200+ meters in front of a car and and after I was across he swerved towards the sidewalk and stuck his head out cursing at me calling me a f*cking yank.

So just STFU you dumb f*ck!

Koolaid · Mar 8, 2005, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by raid517

... You complain about your education system, but do me a favour and without looking it up, name me the leaders of France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Malaysia and Iraq.

Can you do it? I know I can. Don't you think it's odd that you don't know the names of possibly the vast majority of these people? Particularly if for example, you can't even name the leader of Iraq - since after all - this is the country you have supposedly been fighting to free for so long. Do you even think you could point to Iraq on a map of the world even if such a map didn't have any writing printed on it. (Military guys are excluded from this, as they are made to learn).

I must admit .. I cannot give you the names of those leaders. I am not even aware of the leader of Iraq simply because I thought it was still up in the air on who their leader was going to be.

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Originally Posted by raid517

No my friend, the reason you don't see a lot of Americans starting topics discussing the issues occurring in other countries is because the vast majority of Americans are utterly ignorant of any of the issues or events occurring in these other countries. If it doesn't involve any direct US interests, it might as well not exist to you at all. This is also why you are so unaware of all of the things that have been done in your name over the last 60 years or so, which on the whole is what has caused the degree of animosity that exists towards your country today. As wrong as it was, possibly the only people who were really surprised when the twin towers were attacked were a lot of people like you, who had never really taken the time or the trouble to look at what was happening in the world beyond their own front porch.

I'd like to think that I am oblivious to these things simply they do not interest me. I am a US citizen not a diplomat/miltia. I vote for the president to hopefully take care of the America and our 'friends'. Maybe I am wrong but I don't have to worry about waking up in a place where I have almost zero rights.

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Originally Posted by raid517

So maybe you should look a little harder - and maybe you should take those rose tinted glasses that you view your country's history through for a little while - because clearly they are not allowing you to view the full picture.

GJ

This may be true. But I am certainly happy to live here. I have a nice house good family and if I want something bad enough I can work my way towards getting it. From what I understand there are many countries out there where you should simply be happy to be alive the next day. I think that America has room to grow in the diplomacy area with the rest of the world. But in all actuality we are just a baby nation still.

~~Turtle~~ · Mar 8, 2005, 07:23 AM

Hahhahahahah, damn you assumed it was my fault, shows your personallity right there.

I was spit at by other kids because I was a 6-8 year old kid and wanted to play with the locals.

Second I crossed the street 200+ meters in front of a car and and after I was across he swerved towards the sidewalk and stuck his head out cursing at me calling me a f*cking yank.

EXACTLY, you ignorant Imbread Fuck!

Makes me smile when I hear they spit on you.

Fuck up.

Koolaid · Mar 8, 2005, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Turtle

Hahhahahahah, damn you assumed it was my fault, shows your personallity right there.

I was spit at by other kids because I was a 6-8 year old kid and wanted to play with the locals.

Second I crossed the street 200+ meters in front of a car and and after I was across he swerved towards the sidewalk and stuck his head out cursing at me calling me a f*cking yank.

EXACTLY, you ignorant Imbread Fuck!

Makes me smile when I hear they spit on you.

Fuck up.

Damn bro your kinda harsh and its Inbred not Imbread... if your going to insult a person at least spell it right.

raid517 · Mar 8, 2005, 07:37 AM

Now now ease up Turtle... And Koolaid remember it was you who complained that so few Americans were passing comments on the various and diverse affairs of the world. Clearly the problem is not with other people from other county's ability to comment on the affairs of your own country, but with you and other people like you and their inability to comment on the affairs of nations other than their own. America often claims to know what is best for the world, yet very few Americans are aware of what is happening in the world. Don't you think that maybe this is at least an extremely lop sided state of affairs? Simply saying you don't care is at best irresponsible.

Anyway, this isn't the flamewarzone. So I hope some posters will reconsider their language - or that the mods will take steps to tone some of the more inflammatory comments down.

It doesn't take that much effort to try to be a little civil to each other - no matter how much we may dislike each others views on these topics.

GJ

Gabriel_Etranil · Mar 8, 2005, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Turtle

EXACTLY, you ignorant Imbread F*ck!

Makes me smile when I hear they spit on you.

F*ck up.

A. I'm not imbred, I'm mixed there is a difference
B. I was 6-8 years old
C. This shows that the problem is not with the Americans it is with you
D. I'm not a f*ck up
E. The only way you would say that bad stuff that happend to a kid is a good thing is if your father was a bad man towards you.

raid517 · Mar 8, 2005, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Gabriel_Etranil

The Europe's UN is not all holy either, they were driving the "oil for guns" program, not to mention all the country they had the "sex for food" programs going.

You had a few damn Nigerians and Free Congo peacekeepers misbehaving and trading food for whores. Now don't get me wrong, I'm the least racist person you are likely to meet, but the Nigerian Army and Congo armed forces hardly strike me as the most professional or disciplined forces in the world. Anyway they were soldiers. And soldiers do this kind of shit all the time. Or are you trying to tell me that it never happened in Vietnam - or that there isn't more or less an entire city in Korea at this time founded from the (largely abandoned) descendants of mixed American and Korean patents? How exactly do these things happen? Or is it possible that Women around the world somehow manage to fall pregnant at the mere sight of an American GI?

Like I said, one of the biggest proponents of the oil for food program was the US itself, it was pushed heavily by the Clinton administration and supported right up until the very last days before 9/11. So don't tell me that you guys had nothing to do with it. You might not remember it, but that possibly has more to do with your gold fish like powers of concentration than anything that actually occurred in reality.

GJ

raid517 · Mar 8, 2005, 07:55 AM

And can you guys please stop with this silly bickering? It's a pain in the butt to keep getting threads closed every 5 minutes around here.

Calm down for crying out loud!

GJ

Koolaid · Mar 8, 2005, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by raid517

Now now ease up Turtle... And Koolaid remember it was you who complained that so few Americans were passing comments on the various and diverse affairs of the world. Clearly the problem is not with other people from other county's ability to comment on the affairs of your own country, but with you and other people like you and their inability to comment on the affairs of nations other than their own. America often claims to know what is best for the world, yet very few Americans are aware of what is happening in the world. Don't you think that maybe this is at least an extremely lop sided state of affairs? Simply saying you don't care is at best irresponsible.

Anyway, this isn't the flamewarzone. So I hope some posters will reconsider their language - or that the mods will take steps to tone some of the more inflammatory comments down.

It doesn't take that much effort to try to be a little civil to each other - no matter how much we may dislike each others views on these topics.

GJ

The difference is I do not pretend to know it all about a person or a particular event in time or place. And the posts above just goes to show how one sided it appears to be. It seems to me that you expect everyone or at least the majority of the US to be politically educated. The problem is I do not believe much of anything I read and only 90% of things I see. If I cant see it then im most likely not to believe it. It may be irresponsible. My point here is and what I still do not understand is why someone would say the things like you saw in the posts above. That is just wrong. In a place 'like this online forum' where I would expect a bit more camaraderie than simple minded remarks from people that should try to be discussing an issue in an intelligent manner- It makes me sad that people feel they have to speak that way to another real person aside from the fact they may be fron another place. But the beauty of it is I still do not have to worry if my views on how my government runs the US is going to get me shot or put in jail.

So I guess I am just call me citizen drone as I go through life with my rose colored glasses ..

I still wouldnt treat anyone like I see people talk about americans in these forums.

raid517 · Mar 8, 2005, 08:07 AM

But there is animosity - and some of it runs deep. And it doesn't come from nowhere. But in any case I agree that a lot of the above comments were extremely over the top. They are normally not allowed in this forum - but I think the mods are all in bed.

All I am trying to do is impress on you that even though you are comfortable in your own little world, that doesn't mean that quite often in the past some fairly awful things haven't been done in your name. I'm not saying all Americans should be politically aware, but a level of even basic awareness would at least be something. You are simply 'choosing' to be bemused by the resentment that your country often generates, rather than attempting to find out why and how that resentment might have been generated. You are choosing effectively to live in a bubble - and I agree that that is your choice. But what this means is you will continue to be surprised when you meet negative reactions from people - or when bad things like 9/11 happen - because you will have no clue why or how these things came to be.

If that is the way you want to live your life, then that really is up to you.

GJ

Koolaid · Mar 8, 2005, 08:18 AM

Well your right ...and .. it is quite probable .. no .. most definately my own fault for posting here in the first place-and not being prepared to discuss political history the US has in regards to other countries/people. That being said.. this will be my final post in here..

Be well !

Gabriel_Etranil · Mar 8, 2005, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by raid517

Like I said, one of the biggest proponents of the oil for food program was the US itself, it was pushed heavily by the Clinton administration and supported right up until the very last days before 9/11. So don't tell me that you guys had nothing to do with it. You might not remember it, but that possibly has more to do with your gold fish like powers of concentration than anything that actually occurred in reality.

GJ

I hate Clinton, he messed up this country up so much it's not even funny. I never said we had nothing to do with it, I was saying you can't through all the blame solely on the US.

And this is a problem people also have "but that possibly has more to do with your gold fish like powers of concentration" this blanket statement is ridiculous. It's like me saying all Arabs are terrorists and all German's are Nazi's, it's just not true.

And the knowing of every world leader is like us asking you what the current Governer of Idaho is.

Warpy · Mar 8, 2005, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Gabriel_Etranil

I hate Clinton, he messed up this country up so much it's not even funny.

He also screwed up his marriage to an extent, in fact as a leader his example to the people of america was a disgrace, at least his accent matched his brains.

Pompey · Mar 8, 2005, 09:38 AM

There is always a dislike of the current superpower in other nations. The dislike or hatred of america currently felt WORLD WIDE cannot be dismissed as this. How can you claim they (the people that 'hate' anerica) are wrong, brainwashed or jealous when it is not a minority but most of the world. Once again there are allegations of torture and this time, if proven, it will be hard to claim it is not government policy but individuals.

Are we resorting to personal attacks mike2h?

mike2h · Mar 8, 2005, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Pompey

There is always a dislike of the current superpower in other nations. The dislike or hatred of america currently felt WORLD WIDE cannot be dismissed as this. How can you claim they (the people that 'hate' anerica) are wrong, brainwashed or jealous when it is not a minority but most of the world. Once again there are allegations of torture and this time, if proven, it will be hard to claim it is not government policy but individuals.

Are we resorting to personal attacks mike2h?

most people/countries hate somebody. right now it is fashionable to hate the u.s. when these people/countries are not hating the u.s. they are hating someone else. some of you guys really need to travel. ethnocentricity is alive & thriving in this world. and as far as religous differences go...
all the poor sods that have to hate somebody, do. & part of this hatred, no matter who it is directed at is the belief that everybody else shares it.
if the us ceased to exist today all the people on the 'hate america' bandwagon would jump right on the next available one.

as far as personal attacks go, it was not. it was an observation of posting history with compliments to his knowledge & intelligence. if you see that as a personal attack you have issues.
i deleted the post because he made a post that i thought was, well contrary to my opinion fo his posting pattern. while this does not invalidate my observations i though it was enough for me to reevaluate my view.

wiskerbizkit · Mar 8, 2005, 12:53 PM

You know for such a shitty country (US) people sure are obsessed with us. If you hate us so much and we are not literate enough for you why do you care so much?

raid517 · Mar 8, 2005, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Gabriel_Etranil

I hate Clinton, he messed up this country up so much it's not even funny. I never said we had nothing to do with it, I was saying you can't through all the blame solely on the US.

And this is a problem people also have "but that possibly has more to do with your gold fish like powers of concentration" this blanket statement is ridiculous. It's like me saying all Arabs are terrorists and all German's are Nazi's, it's just not true.

And the knowing of every world leader is like us asking you what the current Governor of Idaho is.

No the point is my friend that you were trying to place the blame on the whole rest of the world - which as I pointed out is simply untrue. You might choose to forget, but that doesn't change any of the actual history of what happened. Don't forget too, that the 'policy of containment' (do you remember that phrase?) was first brought about by George Bush Senior and then supported for the next 10 years by all of the most significant members of the Republican Party, who made literally hundreds of public proclamations through that time as to why invading Baghdad and occupying Iraq would on the whole have been a very bad idea.

And no expecting you to know some of the names of the most prominent world leaders is not like expecting me to know who the Governor of Idaho is. That is like me expecting you to know who the member of Parliament for Ontario is. No one is expecting you to know this. But a basic awareness of some of the issues and main characters in those countries in which you have very frequent dealings (and in one instance you actually invaded) might seem to most people to be at least desirable. How can you say how despicable, poor and undeserving of your time and effort these all of these country's are if you know virtually nothing about them?

It is often attitudes like this that make you appear to be extremely arrogant people. Where you openly and freely admit to knowing very little or nothing about the affairs of the world and the various issues affecting other countries - and then claim to know what is best for everyone; and then tell us how much better off you are because you imagine that you are somehow 'freer' than everyone else. It doesn't matter if this fits with the reality - because as I said, a lot of you guys are often only too happy to admit that you don't have the vaugest notion of what the reality is.

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You know for such a shitty country (US) people sure are obsessed with us. If you hate us so much and we are not literate enough for you why do you care so much?

Well maybe it's because you have your fingers in so many pies. Maybe it's because you have had such a big impact (and not always good) in the world over the last 60 years or so, maybe it's because, without knowing very much about the other parts of the world, you appear to feel only too ready to interfere in their affairs, or maybe it's because you claim to care about freedom, yet you have cozied up (and continue to do so) with some of the most brutal, murderous and barbaric dictators in history? Or maybe its because of your unfair trading practices that lock out any real competition and force small producers and countries around the world to accept your second class produce at grossly inflated prices? Why do people dislike your government? (I think it's unfair to say that they just dislike all Americans). Well now let me see... Yep, it's a mystery alright.

Anyway, this isn't going anywhere. This thread isn't a debating thread - it's a baiting thread. It seems designed only to cause conflict and division. I wonder how long it will be before it manages to get itself closed?

GJ

Falstaff · Mar 8, 2005, 02:12 PM

where or where is all this going?....LOL

Vikingod · Mar 8, 2005, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by fallang_jeff

where or where is all this going?....LOL

LOL, the same place all of these types of threads go... over to another thread about the exact same thing. They should all be merged into one giant "

I Hate/Love the USA thread (sponsered by Warpy)

".

Make sure its in the flame zone, lol.

Mar 8, 2005, 07:09 AM	#40
Gabriel_Etranil DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 186 Rep Power: 0	If you don't understand where I get this from there is no need explaining it. I lived in Europe for a few years and I was spit at as a kid, and nearly ran over multiple times? So just STFU. __________________ "I want to believe the voice in my head, but it lies"

Mar 8, 2005, 08:07 AM	#51
raid517 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,518 Rep Power: 0	But there is animosity - and some of it runs deep. And it doesn't come from nowhere. But in any case I agree that a lot of the above comments were extremely over the top. They are normally not allowed in this forum - but I think the mods are all in bed. All I am trying to do is impress on you that even though you are comfortable in your own little world, that doesn't mean that quite often in the past some fairly awful things haven't been done in your name. I'm not saying all Americans should be politically aware, but a level of even basic awareness would at least be something. You are simply 'choosing' to be bemused by the resentment that your country often generates, rather than attempting to find out why and how that resentment might have been generated. You are choosing effectively to live in a bubble - and I agree that that is your choice. But what this means is you will continue to be surprised when you meet negative reactions from people - or when bad things like 9/11 happen - because you will have no clue why or how these things came to be. If that is the way you want to live your life, then that really is up to you. GJ Last edited by raid517; Mar 8, 2005 at 08:14 AM.

Mar 8, 2005, 09:38 AM	#55
Pompey DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 362 Rep Power: 0	There is always a dislike of the current superpower in other nations. The dislike or hatred of america currently felt WORLD WIDE cannot be dismissed as this. How can you claim they (the people that 'hate' anerica) are wrong, brainwashed or jealous when it is not a minority but most of the world. Once again there are allegations of torture and this time, if proven, it will be hard to claim it is not government policy but individuals. Are we resorting to personal attacks mike2h? __________________ One's inability to find an answer to a question does not imply that the question has no answer. Last edited by Pompey; Mar 8, 2005 at 09:54 AM.

Mar 8, 2005, 02:12 PM	#59
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,047 Rep Power: 206	where or where is all this going?....LOL __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Mar 8, 2005, 05:35 AM	#33
~~Turtle~~ Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Winnipeg, Canada Posts: 78 Rep Power: 0	"1. Yes,if Europe is so innocent, why do they create monsters like Hitler? " And why does Europe create the greatest mind that ever lived, [color=#003399]Albert Einstein[/color], I guess we will just never know.

Mar 8, 2005, 06:22 AM	#34
Koolaid DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 37 Rep Power: 0	I remember playing a few online games where the bulk of the gamers were 'non americans' mostly malaysians and various others. When they found out I was an american they were quick to let me know how much they hated 'us'. It is kinda sad when nationalities clash. I was never real up on history. I have never been in the military. But what seems strange to me is that you never see (or I have not seen) americans start throwing the political feces about how bad some other country is and how much we hate people from said country. It always seems to me that its mostly people from other countries 'getting in our face' about how much they hate us. I guess it is human nature to be jealous of others. That is the only thing I can think of that causes peoplefrom other places to voice thier extremely one sided opinions about how bad Americans / America is. My son has recently started school. It is almost the end of the year here and he is expected to be able to read some and do picture math. I remember not having to do any of this until maybe the first or second grade. Kindergarten was just a place to go during the day and learn to write my name and color between the lines. So-- I would say that our education system is not as high as some places like Japan. But we are not going down hill for sure. My uncle 'rest his soul' used to be the coordinator for the foreign exchange students from Japan to his college he taught at. Often we would have a student stay in our home. There is no doubt that their education system is much more advanced than ours. But if we were so dumb how did we get to be a super power? As far as who's gonna nuke who. We all should know by now that if just one of us throws a nuke on someone else. The other will be retaliated upon. Missiles cant stop every nuke. And it will probably be the end of life as we all know it upon the earth if even one missile hits its mark as the reprocussions around the world would be staggering. the end of my 2cents.

Mar 8, 2005, 06:42 AM	#35
~~Turtle~~ Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Winnipeg, Canada Posts: 78 Rep Power: 0	"But if we were so dumb how did we get to be a super power?" Because of the kinds of people that stayed at your uncles house. The pakistanis the Japenese, chinese and the list goes on and on. Alot of the great american minds were (are) Imports.

Mar 8, 2005, 07:05 AM	#39
~~Turtle~~ Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Winnipeg, Canada Posts: 78 Rep Power: 0	(Europe, etc.) are rasict against mixed races. Where you getting this from? and what do you mean by etc? Every country/race "hates" another country/race in one way or another, its just the way it is. Its not only against America. I can tell you Poland "hates" Ukraine they never seamed to get along. I was born in Poland, I know. Then I came to Canada (as a litlle baby lol) and I still see the same dislikes the Poles have against the Ukrainians and vice versa.

Mar 8, 2005, 07:13 AM	#41
~~Turtle~~ Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Winnipeg, Canada Posts: 78 Rep Power: 0	I was spit at as a kid, and nearly ran over multiple times? HAHA Good you dumb Fuck!!

Mar 8, 2005, 07:23 AM	#44
~~Turtle~~ Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Winnipeg, Canada Posts: 78 Rep Power: 0	Hahhahahahah, damn you assumed it was my fault, shows your personallity right there. I was spit at by other kids because I was a 6-8 year old kid and wanted to play with the locals. Second I crossed the street 200+ meters in front of a car and and after I was across he swerved towards the sidewalk and stuck his head out cursing at me calling me a f*cking yank. EXACTLY, you ignorant Imbread Fuck! Makes me smile when I hear they spit on you. Fuck up.

Mar 8, 2005, 07:37 AM	#46
raid517 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,518 Rep Power: 0	Now now ease up Turtle... And Koolaid remember it was you who complained that so few Americans were passing comments on the various and diverse affairs of the world. Clearly the problem is not with other people from other county's ability to comment on the affairs of your own country, but with you and other people like you and their inability to comment on the affairs of nations other than their own. America often claims to know what is best for the world, yet very few Americans are aware of what is happening in the world. Don't you think that maybe this is at least an extremely lop sided state of affairs? Simply saying you don't care is at best irresponsible. Anyway, this isn't the flamewarzone. So I hope some posters will reconsider their language - or that the mods will take steps to tone some of the more inflammatory comments down. It doesn't take that much effort to try to be a little civil to each other - no matter how much we may dislike each others views on these topics. GJ

Mar 8, 2005, 07:55 AM	#49
raid517 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,518 Rep Power: 0	And can you guys please stop with this silly bickering? It's a pain in the butt to keep getting threads closed every 5 minutes around here. Calm down for crying out loud! GJ

Mar 8, 2005, 08:18 AM	#52
Koolaid DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 37 Rep Power: 0	Well your right ...and .. it is quite probable .. no .. most definately my own fault for posting here in the first place-and not being prepared to discuss political history the US has in regards to other countries/people. That being said.. this will be my final post in here.. Be well !

Mar 8, 2005, 12:53 PM	#57
wiskerbizkit DH ***** hobo Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Columbia SC Posts: 467 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	You know for such a shitty country (US) people sure are obsessed with us. If you hate us so much and we are not literate enough for you why do you care so much?