America #1 ? not after reading this....

Senor_Mota

Like I said...HYPOCRITE

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BWX

Ok, lets argue about aguing.... You are both ridiculous.
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/showpost...&postcount=111

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raid517

And you are just sniping about nothing again. Why don't you try to think of a topic, or express a view on the subjects under discussion and then try to find some way to defend them?

My guess is it's because you can't.

GJ

BWX

Like the above post you just made? Here is a view- this thread is pathetic. I am done wasting time here.

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raid517

You'll be missed. Not.

You have had a lot of chances to say something relevant. I think people have been very fair and patient with you. What I issued to you was a challenge. Show me, show us all indeed that you have more than one phrase in your entire political phrase book.

Clearly you are not up to the task.

GJ

BWX

Oh give it a rest-

Condecending.... like you have any right to be
If you can't see how pathetic this thread and the threads like it are, I truly feel sorry for you.

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raid517

Lol it seems you don't know the meaning of the word 'Condecending'.

You do a very good job of that on your own. And if they really are so pathetic, why the hell are you still here?

GJ

BWX

To be a thorn in your side......... Why are you?

Yes I do know what it means.

Oh really? by you? You are the giver of chances now? Get off your high horse dude.

Oh, and just because someone doesn't write a long, boring, drawn out, redundant post for every single response doesn't mean the post isn't viable either. You really should take that to heart.

Do you know what the word pithy means? Oh wait, I forgot who I was talking to, obviously you have never heard that word.. Do me a favor and look it up --- PLEASE for the love of God look it up..

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raid517

Mmm... you really are in the wrong section. What if any politically based commentry did that last post contain? And you are not much of a thorn in my side. I'm happy to go on indefinately if needs be. Although I do suspect that other posters are growing very tierd of your unnatural facination with me and everything I say.

Why not get over me already?

I think it's long past time.

GJ

Senor_Mota

Wow...

I've been saying these same things for a while now...

But these threads will probably get shut down...it's really too bad that the debating gets turned into personal attacks by a select few. I think it's that one guy who calls everyone "gay" for talking...

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BWX

Get over YOURSELF already. Ask yourself the same about your posts.




Mota is the one following me around- why don't you convince him to go follow someone else around like a little lost puppydog. I hope someone puts this thread out of its misery.

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Senor_Mota

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raid517

Well if it does get closed it will be down to you. You have gone from sniping to just being plumb rude to people.

That always workds to get threads closed.

It doesn't make you very popular though.

GJ

Sandok

This is gonna get closed like the other topic. Get onto MSN and fight all you want there! Or here, I love reading these

raid517

Mmm... well other people ought not to take the bait quite so easily. This really isn't the flamewarzone.

GJ

BWX

Ohhh, but it's OK for MOTA to call people stupid right? Well, as long as he is on your side- as long as he is a USA hater its ok right?

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TJ-

yall a bunch of girlz... uhuhhuuh...

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BWX

According to raid you aren't making a political comment so you shouldn't comment at all. Oh wait- you hate the US so it's ok..

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raid517

No I did say he shouldn't.

You know as much as I dislike the neoncowboy and find much of his views ignorant, misguided and morally repugnant - at least even he has a lot more to contribute to these debates than do you. You really only do have that one line don't you? That anyone who doesn't agree with you is an 'American hater'? It really is all just 'American hater this' and 'American hater that' and 'you hate Americans you suck' and so on. I used to think there was more to you. But now I don't really think there is.

But I do rather wish you would change the record. It is getting more than a tad repetative. Why don't you just add something like 'anyone who doesn't agree with me is an American hater' in yor signature - and then try to add something new and original in your actual posts? Then we will all still get the message whenever you post and you can use your actual posts to say something that might potentially be interesting.

GJ

BWX

That is BS, I don't call people America haters because they disagree with me, it has nothing to do with that. I only call them that if they say things that prove that to be true.

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wicastawakan

America has a high tolerance for freedom of speech. The other neat thing is those that find it intolerable are free to leave. It seems odd that some have nothing good to say & hate "it" so badly, yet continue to hang around. A bit of bad press really isn't making a statement. Acting is.

I'm not one that thinks the United States is perfect or perpetual and all things end, but when it does, I plan to be accountable for my role in it. What did I do? Some weak minded only analyze others & blame someone else.

If you've never actually spent any time in a third world country, not as a tourist only hitting the high spots, it's difficult to imagine. I believe every capable American should have the privelege to serve this country and another by spending one year in social service in another country of need.

The aggresive European mind didn't bring all good things to the Americas.

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raid517

Yes but don't you think we all get the message already? You can print it on a tshirt, you can tatoo it on your head, you can even get it printed on a bumper sticker for your car if you want, but it doesn't make it any more interesting after the 10,000th time you've said it.

As I said it really does look like you have nothing but this one single phrase in your entire political phrase book - or in your whole political ideology. Everything you agree with is 'pro American' everyone who disagrees with what you agree with is 'anti American'. Hardly a dazzling and insightful basis on which to base an entire political ideology on now is it?

Still as I said, I don't think you have anything else - so I doubt that this is going to change any time soon.

GJ

BWX

You didn't quote him and say that.. You were gripping about my postings while right above is a picture of mota calling me stupid..

But you are silent about that.. double standard.. and mota is a hypocrite.
Post all you want about how wrong I am- I am taking this anti-American hate speech thread off my mailing list.

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raid517

I am not sure what all of that meant. I wonder if you might be a European import yourself? But like I said to BWX, it doesn't seem very rational to call those who disagree with you, or with the things you believe in 'American haters'. It is entirely possible that they might just disagree with you without particularly hating anyone. That is what is known as 'democracy'. You may have head of it.

In any case a lot of people who disagree with this current right wing American administration don't live in America. So there isn't any option for them to leave. Nor I think is it practical for the many millions and millions inside America who disagree with this governments policies (which at the last election was still just under half the population) to leave either. Where exactly I wonder would they all go? Should they all just walk into the sea? What would happen to the American economy if they did? If half the poulation left overnight, who would serve you coffee at your local cofee shop, who would clean your roads, or staff your hospitals, or drive you buses, or work in your stores, or fill your offices and so on? Your country would literally be brought to it's knees in one single blow. Also you would no longer have anything even resembling a democracy - since if everyone who disagreed with the current government and right wing politics in general were to leave, you would only have a single party state, which would undoubtedly always vote for the same government. Therefore what you would have then is a dictatorship. So really telling people who disagree with right wing politics that they should leave, or that they are free to leave, probably doesn't really seem like such a hot idea after all, does it?

Best regards,

GJ

raid517

Well that is what I was referring to. All of that - and all of your own bitching and all of this pointless bickering really very much does not belong here. In what way does any of this have anything to do with anything that is happening in the world today? If you must fight, if you must bicker, if you must insult each other, then here is not the place for it. This is a debating forum not a place where people come to work out their petty differences. There is a place on DH you can go if you are incapable of sustaining normal civilised debate - but it is not here and it is not what this forum is intended for.

The quicker some of you guys take this on board the quicker we can move on with actually discussing something genuinely interesting.

GJ

wicastawakan

Too often when everyone discusses the outcome of elections in the US, they almost always include the 40-50% who do not vote. I'm not so sure what we have is a radical 10% at each end of the spectrum, one particularly vocal and most people somewhere in the middle & with a different agenda represented by no one in particular.

My point was reinforced by the question of where to go. Most people are not willing to live what they preach. I'm simply stating if it is as miserable as some state, they do indeed have the freedom to leave. No more, no less. We do have some liberties here, that doesn't make anyone with character or intelligence. Just freedom to do as they wish.

As a matter of fact, I am NOT an import, thank you.

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raid517

No the sum I gave was of those who voted - not those who didn't vote. Which at the last count was 49% of the total electorate.

It is still a silly idea to suggest that all of these millions of people (whether you want to bitch about percentages or not) should consider leaving. It would leave your country in an utter state of chaos. It would also create a dictatorship - which as I understand it is exactly what the founding fathers of your country were trying to escape. So it would literally make a nonsense of everything your country was supposed to be.

And the next time the democrats win the election - which will happen sooner or later - do you think it is sensible that all republicans should consider leaving? If so why don't you consider leaving, if indeed it is such a desirable option?

But now you are implying that is not what you meant - and that what you meant was that Americans are free to travel abroad. To which my response is, so what? So are the vast majority of people in other developed countries. (As well as enjoying many other freedoms also). It is hardly the revelation of the century. The only real pity is that so few of them actually take up this option.

GJ

dj_stick

America is one country. Europe is roughtly more than 50? (I didn't take geography at school)

also - many of these points are taken from the same source. The whole argument would have been more valid if there were a more diverse range of sources

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raid517

I'm sure if you wanted to you could check these numbers out for yourself. They are reliable figures. And the EU comprises of 26 nation states - rather like the states in the US - although the EU states maintain considerably more independance than do American states.

Mmm... It seems you are not the only one.

GJ

Sauro

Thats some good research man