America in no 1 - into this

~~trodas~~ · Mar 26, 2005, 11:00 PM

US international policy is the threat to USA itself. It's probably hard to admit truth, but let's take a look at some facts, shall we?

From the end of WWII, what many countries US bombed? 21.
Still surprised, when someone (finally!) bombed US 9/11 2001?

1953: USA overthrows Prime Minister Mossadeq of Iran. And install Shah as dictator.

1954: USA overthrows democratically-elected President Arbenz of Guatemala. 200,000 civilians killed.

1963: USA back assassination of South Viernamese President Diem.

1963-1975: American military kills 4 million people in Southeast Asia.

September 11, 1973: USA stages coup in Chile. Democratically-elected President Salvador Allende assassinated. Dictator Augusto Pinochet installed.
5,000 Chileans murdered.

1977: USA backs military rulers of El Salvador. 70,000 Salvadorans and four American nuns killed.

1980's: USA trains Osama bin Laden and fellow terrorists to kill Soviets. CIA gives then $3 billion.

1981: Reagan administration trains and funds "contras". 30,000 Nicaraguans die.

1982: USA provides billions in aid to Saddam Hussein for weapons to kill Iranians.

1983: White House secretly gives Iran weapons to kill Iraqis.

1989: CIA agent Manuel Noriega (also serving as President of Panama) disobeys orders from Washington. USA invades Panama and removes Noriega. 3,000 Panamian civilian casualties.

1990: Iraq invades Kuwait with weapons from USA and with USA blessing.

1991: USA enter Iraq. Bush reinstates dictator of Kuwait.

1998: Clinton bombs "weapons factory" in Sudan. Factory turns out to be making aspirin.

1991 to present: American planes bomb Iraq on a weekly basis.
UN estimates 500,000 Iraqi children die from bombing and sanctions.

2000-01: USA gives Taliban-rules Afghanistan $245 million in "aid".

Sept. 11, 2001: Osama bin Laden uses his expert CIA training to murder almost 3,000 people.

...is there still are any questions, what threating the US national security? It's the politic rulers (more precisely dictators, because even when we suffered under communism, I was surprised to learn that we was actually more free that people in US are now...) that is to blame about creating enemies for USA - to better enslave this country. It's getting that obvious, that I can't even understand why US peoples are so stupid, so
they let the Bush represent then and lead them to war...
I can't understand it. Maybe someone can enlighten me?

raid517 · Mar 27, 2005, 02:07 AM

Mmmm I seem to remember that we played this game once before...

GJ

TJ- · Mar 27, 2005, 06:01 AM

thats straight out of Bowling for columbine,

~~trodas~~ · Mar 27, 2005, 12:44 PM

Yes, and it should be precisely carved to stone and them beat the US politicians with it

Besides, the list need include current "liberation" of Iraq as well...

Sandok · Mar 27, 2005, 12:46 PM

Not this stuff again...

When will these threads stop?

raid517 · Mar 27, 2005, 12:49 PM

They are pretty boring. Been here seen it all, done that.

~~trodas~~ · Mar 28, 2005, 06:45 PM

sandok - probably then, when USA stop messing with other states and oil resources around the globe and STICK to own borders

Then it stop

solar_flare · Mar 30, 2005, 04:52 PM

why cant we argue about america on one thread........why create another one.

BWX · Mar 30, 2005, 05:08 PM

Another pitiful anti-American thread.......

solar_flare · Mar 30, 2005, 05:26 PM

its just sad........we should start making threads about the bush administration rather than america

Callandor · Mar 30, 2005, 06:40 PM

Well, I guess everyone wants to be there, so since they can't get there, they instead join all sorts of forums and create all sorts of stupid threads about the unrest and hatered they have for America and the American people.....just buy yourself a fake green card if you can't get in even on those cheap ass internet scams as a pro!!!!

Captn · Mar 31, 2005, 02:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sandok

Not this stuff again...

When will these threads stop?

These types of threads usually occur when people from 4th world countries are jealous, so they have to post how they feel, they actually think we care what they think.....

radTube · Mar 31, 2005, 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captn

These types of threads usually occur when people from 4th world countries are jealous, so they have to post how they feel, they actually think we care what they think.....

The majority of the people posting negative comments about the american politics actually seem to be from well-to-do European countries. And one might be tricked to think that you do care, seeing how you seem to get your panties in a bunch so easily...

BWX · Mar 31, 2005, 10:57 AM

At least the American members of DH take the high ground and don't start endless- Euro bashing or other country bashing threads..

Callandor · Mar 31, 2005, 11:15 AM

*rolls his eyse coz everyone else is doing it*

Gosh, this is fun, I'm a gonna keep doing it as much as I can!

Really guys, the amount of attitude people are flaunting here these days is laughable, get yourselves together before you're in need of hi-strength eye-drops.

Edit: ^Such are the situations, in which having a large number of smileys at your disposal per post can be useful indeed.

mike2h · Apr 1, 2005, 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trodas

sandok - probably then, when USA stop messing with other states and oil resources around the globe and STICK to own borders

Then it stop

because every other country that has the wherewithal to involve itself openly & surreptitiously in other governments affairs does not do so, right?
what world are you living in? america did not invent world politics. we are actually a late comer to a stage that was already made, & a play that was already in progress.

pr0digal jenius · Apr 1, 2005, 09:42 AM

for someone whos late we sure do have a bad habit of acting first....and without everyone else's approval

crlorentzen · Apr 1, 2005, 10:24 AM

Considering in most cases other contries wait for us to make the first move...yeah it is amazing we move first.

digerati · Apr 1, 2005, 10:25 AM

Trodas this exact thing has been posted before and you should know better than to post anything from Michael Moore. I mean he only stages scenes in his movies, uses lies and tricks photography, and manipulates his numbers (combining gun deaths of murders and suicides for American gun deaths but doesn't combine them for the other countries).

Please realize anything by Michael Moore is not worth bringing into this forum. Howard Zinn would be a better choice.

~~trodas~~ · Apr 3, 2005, 02:00 AM

Captn - we know that americans are too arrogant to do not care, but sooner or later we will make you care

BWX - oh, yep, we mind own bussines as long, as emerica keep their soldiers into their own country and don't fu*k up oil prices and destabilize regions and do not occupate other countries...

^_^ - well, could you - instead of making easy claims - come up with real arguement about what is lie and trick in any Moore movies

Besides, I picked just few facts, that are in reality far worser and could be easily checked and confirmed, witch I did. Tell me the one, witch is wrong

digerati · Apr 3, 2005, 02:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trodas

^_^ - well, could you - instead of making easy claims - come up with real arguement about what is lie and trick in any Moore movies

Besides, I picked just few facts, that are in reality far worser and could be easily checked and confirmed, witch I did. Tell me the one, witch is wrong

Don't mind the fact that these sites are right wing, screenshots are still screenshots.

Heston scene faked in Bowling for Columbine:
http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/bowli...ont_staged.htm

Bank Scene Staged:
http://bowlingfortruth.com/bowlingfo...cenes/bank.htm

Splicing together NRA speeches to make them look sinister:
http://bowlingfortruth.com/bowlingfo...stonrally1.htm

Death by gun manipulation in Bowling for Columbine:
http://bowlingfortruth.com/bowlingfo.../countries.htm

Canada, the ultimate safe haven...yeah right..
http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/breit...ess/guns95.htm
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...hub=TopStories (A recent plot to have a copycat Columbine attack in Canada)

Just don't bring Michael Moore into this forum, there are plenty of credible people out there to support your cause, he isn't one of them.

Captn · Apr 4, 2005, 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trodas

Captn - but sooner or later we will make you care

I seriously doubt it.

Mar 26, 2005, 11:00 PM	#1
~~trodas~~ fanless WC Opty 3GHz Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Czech republic Posts: 349 Rep Power: 0	America in no 1 - into this US international policy is the threat to USA itself. It's probably hard to admit truth, but let's take a look at some facts, shall we? From the end of WWII, what many countries US bombed? 21. Still surprised, when someone (finally!) bombed US 9/11 2001? 1953: USA overthrows Prime Minister Mossadeq of Iran. And install Shah as dictator. 1954: USA overthrows democratically-elected President Arbenz of Guatemala. 200,000 civilians killed. 1963: USA back assassination of South Viernamese President Diem. 1963-1975: American military kills 4 million people in Southeast Asia. September 11, 1973: USA stages coup in Chile. Democratically-elected President Salvador Allende assassinated. Dictator Augusto Pinochet installed. 5,000 Chileans murdered. 1977: USA backs military rulers of El Salvador. 70,000 Salvadorans and four American nuns killed. 1980's: USA trains Osama bin Laden and fellow terrorists to kill Soviets. CIA gives then $3 billion. 1981: Reagan administration trains and funds "contras". 30,000 Nicaraguans die. 1982: USA provides billions in aid to Saddam Hussein for weapons to kill Iranians. 1983: White House secretly gives Iran weapons to kill Iraqis. 1989: CIA agent Manuel Noriega (also serving as President of Panama) disobeys orders from Washington. USA invades Panama and removes Noriega. 3,000 Panamian civilian casualties. 1990: Iraq invades Kuwait with weapons from USA and with USA blessing. 1991: USA enter Iraq. Bush reinstates dictator of Kuwait. 1998: Clinton bombs "weapons factory" in Sudan. Factory turns out to be making aspirin. 1991 to present: American planes bomb Iraq on a weekly basis. UN estimates 500,000 Iraqi children die from bombing and sanctions. 2000-01: USA gives Taliban-rules Afghanistan $245 million in "aid". Sept. 11, 2001: Osama bin Laden uses his expert CIA training to murder almost 3,000 people. ...is there still are any questions, what threating the US national security? It's the politic rulers (more precisely dictators, because even when we suffered under communism, I was surprised to learn that we was actually more free that people in US are now...) that is to blame about creating enemies for USA - to better enslave this country. It's getting that obvious, that I can't even understand why US peoples are so stupid, so they let the Bush represent then and lead them to war... I can't understand it. Maybe someone can enlighten me?

Mar 27, 2005, 02:07 AM	#2
raid517 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,518 Rep Power: 0	Mmmm I seem to remember that we played this game once before... GJ Last edited by raid517; Mar 27, 2005 at 02:53 AM.

Mar 27, 2005, 06:01 AM	#3
TJ- DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Infinity Posts: 3,679 Rep Power: 0	thats straight out of Bowling for columbine, __________________ new sig comming soon

Mar 30, 2005, 04:52 PM	#8
solar_flare DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 88 Rep Power: 47	why cant we argue about america on one thread........why create another one. __________________ >>sig done by sun_walka

Mar 30, 2005, 05:08 PM	#9
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,665 Rep Power: 109 System Specs	Another pitiful anti-American thread....... __________________

Mar 27, 2005, 12:44 PM	Thread Starter #4
~~trodas~~ fanless WC Opty 3GHz Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Czech republic Posts: 349 Rep Power: 0	Yes, and it should be precisely carved to stone and them beat the US politicians with it Besides, the list need include current "liberation" of Iraq as well...

Mar 27, 2005, 12:46 PM	#5
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 66	Not this stuff again... When will these threads stop?

Mar 27, 2005, 12:49 PM	#6
raid517 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,518 Rep Power: 0	They are pretty boring. Been here seen it all, done that.

Mar 28, 2005, 06:45 PM	Thread Starter #7
~~trodas~~ fanless WC Opty 3GHz Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Czech republic Posts: 349 Rep Power: 0	sandok - probably then, when USA stop messing with other states and oil resources around the globe and STICK to own borders Then it stop

Mar 30, 2005, 05:26 PM	#10
solar_flare DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 88 Rep Power: 47	its just sad........we should start making threads about the bush administration rather than america __________________ >>sig done by sun_walka

Mar 30, 2005, 06:40 PM	#11
Callandor Forged on Dragonmount Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada Posts: 6,876 Rep Power: 256 System Specs	Well, I guess everyone wants to be there, so since they can't get there, they instead join all sorts of forums and create all sorts of stupid threads about the unrest and hatered they have for America and the American people.....just buy yourself a fake green card if you can't get in even on those cheap ass internet scams as a pro!!!! __________________

Mar 31, 2005, 10:57 AM	#14
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,665 Rep Power: 109 System Specs	At least the American members of DH take the high ground and don't start endless- Euro bashing or other country bashing threads.. __________________

Mar 31, 2005, 11:15 AM	#15
Callandor Forged on Dragonmount Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada Posts: 6,876 Rep Power: 256 System Specs	rolls his eyse coz everyone else is doing it Gosh, this is fun, I'm a gonna keep doing it as much as I can! Really guys, the amount of attitude people are flaunting here these days is laughable, get yourselves together before you're in need of hi-strength eye-drops. Edit: ^Such are the situations, in which having a large number of smileys at your disposal per post can be useful indeed. __________________

Apr 1, 2005, 09:42 AM	#17
pr0digal jenius Delete Me Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 14,648 Rep Power: 0	for someone whos late we sure do have a bad habit of acting first....and without everyone else's approval

Apr 1, 2005, 10:24 AM	#18
crlorentzen DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 1,201 Rep Power: 0	Considering in most cases other contries wait for us to make the first move...yeah it is amazing we move first. __________________ Last edited by crlorentzen; Apr 3, 2005 at 07:55 PM.

Apr 1, 2005, 10:25 AM	#19
digerati Everyones life has worth Join Date: May 2003 Location: My Yellow Bug Posts: 3,779 Rep Power: 61	Trodas this exact thing has been posted before and you should know better than to post anything from Michael Moore. I mean he only stages scenes in his movies, uses lies and tricks photography, and manipulates his numbers (combining gun deaths of murders and suicides for American gun deaths but doesn't combine them for the other countries). Please realize anything by Michael Moore is not worth bringing into this forum. Howard Zinn would be a better choice.

Apr 3, 2005, 02:00 AM	Thread Starter #20
~~trodas~~ fanless WC Opty 3GHz Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Czech republic Posts: 349 Rep Power: 0	Captn - we know that americans are too arrogant to do not care, but sooner or later we will make you care BWX - oh, yep, we mind own bussines as long, as emerica keep their soldiers into their own country and don't fuk up oil prices and destabilize regions and do not occupate other countries... ^_^* - well, could you - instead of making easy claims - come up with real arguement about what is lie and trick in any Moore movies Besides, I picked just few facts, that are in reality far worser and could be easily checked and confirmed, witch I did. Tell me the one, witch is wrong