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Old Jul 13, 2005, 08:42 PM   #1
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Another Republican Scandal in the Bush Administration.

Well gee.. looky looky at this. Bushs "closest" advisor in scandal, man this is just too funny.

Quotes From Globe & Mail: After denying for two years that Mr. Rove had anything to do with disclosing the identity of CIA agent Valerie Plame, the White House is now facing acute embarrassment over publication of an e-mail that shows Mr. Rove did just that in a conversation with a reporter for Time magazine.

Mr. McClellan, the White House spokesman, later said that suggestions Mr. Rove was the source of the leak were "ridiculous." "If anyone in this administration was involved in it, they would no longer be in this administration," he added.

Lmao we shall see.. we shall see

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Old Jul 13, 2005, 10:17 PM   #2
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Those denials were largely unquestioned until the disclosure this weekend of a July 2003 e-mail written by Time's Washington reporter Matthew Cooper to his boss, which stated in part, "Spoke to Rove on double super secret background for about two mins . . ..
ROFLMAO, oh man this guy is the reporter that Rove divulged the information too? I've seen better writing in 2nd grade students.
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ROFLMAO, oh man this guy is the reporter that Rove divulged the information too? I've seen better writing in 2nd grade students.
I don't think the reporter here in question is the one to be worrying about.. whether or not he writes like a grade 2 student really doesn't shed light on what has happened here.. lmao


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Personally, I don't think it's a Republican or Democratic issue. Rove, party withstanding, F'd apparently was the "leak". If, after the investigation is completed, he's found guilty, then President Bush SHOULD fire him, again, regardless of party affiliation, patronage, loyalty, etc. To me, that would show the "Resolve" that both Pres. Bush and PM Blaire both speak so highly of. Resolve to be honest and clear-cut in their decisions. Honor and character are individual traits, not party handouts. It's a shame someone as far up the political food chain could make this big of a foul up. One would think that as soon as the story broke, almost 2 yrs. ago, that Mr. Rove would've had the character and integrity to stand up for his loose lips. Maybe then it wouldn't have been the media circus issue it's become.

Oh, yeah. What ever happened to Sandy Berger? The guy who had "top secret" documents magically fall down in his underware in the National Vault. He was about the equivelent to Clinton that Rove is to Bush. Wonder if people that high in politics always get free rides.

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I don't think the reporter here in question is the one to be worrying about.. whether or not he writes like a grade 2 student really doesn't shed light on what has happened here.. lmao
You don't find it funny one bit? Now that's odd. This is normally something that people would claim would be proof Bush is a "real dumb@$$" if these words were to come out of his mouth.

I thought it was hilarious that a Time reporter would use such a terminology as "double super secret".

I wonder what the NYT's reporter's source is? It doesn't seem to be Carl Rove.
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You don't find it funny one bit? Now that's odd. This is normally something that people would claim would be proof Bush is a "real dumb@$$" if these words were to come out of his mouth.

I thought it was hilarious that a Time reporter would use such a terminology as "double super secret".

I wonder what the NYT's reporter's source is? It doesn't seem to be Carl Rove.
I didn't say it wasn't funny.. what I find extremely hilarious is that someone just got sent to jail for basically the same reason..

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"Maybe Karl will end up sharing a cell with Judith Miller," Mr. Dubose joked, in a reference to the correspondent for The New York Times who last week was sent to jail for refusing to disclose the identity of her source in the same affair."
I'd like to see what happens with Karl Rove, seeing as

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"Mr. Bush uses for Karl Rove, his closest political adviser and the man given credit for winning him two consecutive presidential elections."
No wonder Bush is seen by so many fronts to be a puppet and a "dumbass", he surronds himself with people of the same calibre.. "birds of a feather flock together" I can't wait to see what happens next with that administration of assclowns. lmao
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utter absolute bullshit....come on Damage..you can do better than this...
You wanna bash Bush or Drove I could care less, but at least establish perspective....
and that means from the left and the right of the information highway...
Seems there is more scatalogical references to bad reporting from the left side.....
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* Her husbands own website mentions her as a member of the CIA
So if any one outed her he did

* She works a desk job at a CIA headquarters Langley (a dead give away)
So you can greatee she was known my many as an agent of the us goverment
no big secret. I sure many forgien goverments knew LOL'

was married to a public figure in the government


* Attended dinners at the white house, including photos the publicity "whole nine yards" of her at the events and her name of her galore.
So much for bing under any cover being so high profile that would be like president bush being "under cover" LOL'

* His wife recommended him to be sent over to investigate the yellow cake innocent. Not a secret...
Interesting considering a panel later found oposite to his findings...Funny he was a
poor choice and cleanerly "anti war" before iraq.

Karl Rove has done nothing wrong and there is NO case other then this
poltical tabliod show the liberal media and democrats are putting on...
Chances anything will happen? he more likely to get hit by a car then
be found guilty, It neraly impossable to prove.

* He would have to have goten her name from a classified source
this must be proveable, isn't

*He would have to have knew she was undercover and intentially
leaked her name.this must be proveable isn't

*She not been over seas in 5 years!
again does not meet the statute
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Blown completely out of proportion and in light of all the Democratic scandels, a tempest in a teapot
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utter absolute bullshit....come on Damage..you can do better than this...
You wanna bash Bush or Drove I could care less, but at least establish perspective....
and that means from the left and the right of the information highway...
Seems there is more scatalogical references to bad reporting from the left side.....
nuff said
ok.. Falstaff, I got this information in the Globe & Mail lmao.. so as far as information being from left or right.. take that up with them.. not me. The last time I checked the Globe & Mail doesn't take left or right.. and if they do enlighten me.. lol wow.
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I am suspect of any source of information except FOX news and even that is biased towards the right..
The economy of the USA and its growth are worthy issues...
at least you didnt mention the f*&king BBC......LOL
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I am suspect of any source of information except FOX news and even that is biased towards the right..
The economy of the USA and its growth are worthy issues...
at least you didnt mention the f*&king BBC......LOL
What!? BBC.. the Bogus Broadcasting Corporation? It's hard to find any news source/agency telling the "whole" story, but I think I know were your going with that..

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What!? BBC.. the Bogus Broadcasting Corporation? It's hard to find any news source/agency telling the "whole" story, but I think I know were your going with that..

peace bro
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The same one that won't say they referd to the terrorists as terriosts,
But will only call them "bombers" and claim that europeans aren't terroised
just americans . Sucide bombers blowing thier people up I'm supirzed
the didn't jut go a head and call them freedom fighters . Thier people
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Karl Rove has done nothing wrong and there is NO case other then this
poltical tabliod show the liberal media and democrats are putting on...
Chances anything will happen? he more likely to get hit by a car then
be found guilty, It neraly impossable to prove.
So when Rove goes on TV months ago and in answer to the question "did you have anything to do with the leak re Valarie Plame" (paraphrase) replies "I did not reveal her name and I did not even know her name" (close paraphrase) that is OK? Sure, technically he did not lie, but do you believe that he was being honest? Bush's closest advisor, just like the President, should be completely honest with the public always, forever, period. Its slimy to say the least and if you don't view it as slimy, regardless of your political views, then you're slimy too.

When Clinton said "I did not have sex with that women" because he ridiculously did not consider the oral variety as "sex", conservatives went apesh!t: "he lied to the public", "he demeaned the integrity of the presidency", "he parsed words and spoke half-truths" (all paraphrases but the point is clear). Now, when its one of their heros, magically, all of those things are forgotten and its "well Rove committed no crime", "its the liberal media" and a witchhunt. UNBELIEVABLE!!!!! And, of course, the sheeple will just follow along to the Fox news/White House talking points.

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When Clinton said "I did not have sex with that women" because he ridiculously did not consider the oral variety as "sex", conservatives went apesh!t:
He actually said "I did not have sexual relations with that woman,..." not just 'sex'. So the "he did not consider the oral variety as 'sex'." arguement doesn't stand.

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Sure, technically he did not lie, but do you believe that he was being honest?
Now that is just contradictory.
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So when Rove goes on TV months ago and in answer to the question "did you have anything to do with the leak re Valarie Plame" (paraphrase) replies "I did not reveal her name and I did not even know her name" (close paraphrase) that is OK? Sure, technically he did not lie, but do you believe that he was being honest? Bush's closest advisor, just like the President, should be completely honest with the public always, forever, period. Its slimy to say the least and if you don't view it as slimy, regardless of your political views, then you're slimy too.

When Clinton said "I did not have sex with that women" because he ridiculously did not consider the oral variety as "sex", conservatives went apesh!t: "he lied to the public", "he demeaned the integrity of the presidency", "he parsed words and spoke half-truths" (all paraphrases but the point is clear). Now, when its one of their heros, magically, all of those things are forgotten and its "well Rove committed no crime", "its the liberal media" and a witchhunt. UNBELIEVABLE!!!!! And, of course, the sheeple will just follow along to the Fox news/White House talking points.

Hippocrites.

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Ferd, I couldn't have said it better bro, finally someone with their eyes open.
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He actually said "I did not have sexual relations with that woman,..." not just 'sex'. So the "he did not consider the oral variety as 'sex'." arguement doesn't stand.

Now that is just contradictory.
"Sexual relations"... "sex"... whatever. Irrelevant to the point.

Contradictory??? You don't see a difference between a technical "lie" and honesty? Saying something that is untrue is a lie. Saying something that is technically true but does not provide all of the needed information and therefore conveys the same impression upon the listener that a lie would is not honest. That is exactly what Clinton did and he was crucified for it as well he should have been. There is a huge difference and perhaps if more people stopped relying on technicalities as a substitute to real good morals, we would all be better off.

We should all demand better of our leaders in every circumstance and regardless of our politics. Just don't be selective with to whom it applies. Undermines your argument substantially.

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"Sexual relations"... "sex"... whatever. Irrelevant to the point.
Actually it changes your point slightly.


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Contradictory??? You don't see a difference between a technical "lie" and honesty? Saying something that is untrue is a lie. Saying something that is technically true but does not provide all of the needed information and therefore conveys the same impression upon the listener that a lie would is not honest.
What you said was contradictory, this is the point you are trying to make: 'A half-truth is worse then a full lie', it fits better with your 'point'.
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Ferd, I couldn't have said it better bro, finally someone with their eyes open.
Why has your position changed all of a sudden Damage, as soon as you find out it's a Bush admin advisor you're all over it and ready to hang Carl Rove? First you want to protect reporter and source's confidentiality and when you find out that it could possibly be a Bush guy you want him hung. Is this really your position or are you just 'coming across wrong'?
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Actually it changes your point slightly.



What you said was contradictory, this is the point you are trying to make: 'A half-truth is worse then a full lie', it fits better with your 'point'.
A half-truth or a full lie are both the same when it comes from someone in whom the public has elected and placed their trust. The point I'm really trying to make is that Rove did something dishonest. Whether he is ever convicted of a crime or not does not matter. If Bush was really serious about his statements following his first election "I'll return integrity to the White House" then Rove should be fired, no question.

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Why has your position changed all of a sudden Damage, as soon as you find out it's a Bush admin advisor you're all over it and ready to hang Carl Rove? First you want to protect reporter and source's confidentiality and when you find out that it could possibly be a Bush guy you want him hung. Is this really your position or are you just 'coming across wrong'?
No Gab, my position has not changed.

I hate Bush and his Administration, they are a bunch of self gratifying, egotistical fools who think that the rules apply to everyone else but themselves, among many other things. He (Rove) blatenly lied to the American people and I'd like to see Rove punished for his lie and his involvment in this specific situation but do you think that will happen.. not likely. We are not talking about just some person off the street or for that matter a journalist who decided to keep her mouth shut instead of leading the Americans astray with bullsh!t or misconceptions, we are talking about Bushs "closest political advisor" here.. this will get brushed off just like the fools brushed off the "we KNOW there are weapons of mass destruction.. or Saddam Hussein is fueling and funding the Al Qaeda" or maybe.. "it was to liberate the Iraqi people.." If you want to hold onto and agree with Bush and his policies then by all means you go right ahead, thats your choice.

Oh and just because your so highly intelligent and up to date on how and what's going on with this specific topic.. its Karl Rove.. not Carl Rove.. lmao

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cmon guys.. you've been hanging around forever.. hurry up with the posts, I want too see some funny sh!t.
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That's my point about this, if it was anybody outside of the Bush admin you wouldn't be all ready to hang him, changing positions based on the affiliation of the person.

If it wasn't Karl Rove then you wouldn't care, but since it is you get all giddy about it since it's something that you can say "See I was always right about the Bush administration"

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Oh and just because your so highly intelligent and up to date on how and what's going on with this specific topic.. its Karl Rove.. not Carl Rove.. lmao [img]images/smilies/rotfl.gif[/img] [img]images/smilies/big%20grin.gif[/img]
I had a friend named Carl with a C and I am used to spelling it this way out of habit.

But since you want to play this 'game' we'll play

"Bushs "closest" advisor in scandal" it's Bush's not Bushs
"simpy stunning. [img]images/smilies/big%20grin.gif[/img]" it's simply not simpy
"he surronds himself with people of the same calibre.." it's surrounds not surronds

Everybody either misspells or typos, the fact that you even got started on this 'game' is beyond me. I've not met one person that could spell my name correctly in 'real life' either.

If you got a problem with how I view your position fine, but the fact that I put a C instead of K for a name does not even matter as anything significant. Just as your and my typos doesn't matter as anything significant as long as it is understandable what is meant.
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I come on she wanted to play politics and hide benath cover?
you can't have it both ways.

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So when Rove goes on TV months ago and in answer to the question "did you have anything to do with the leak re Valarie Plame" (paraphrase) replies "I did not reveal her name and I did not even know her name" (close paraphrase) that is OK? Sure, technically he did not lie, but do you believe that he was being honest? Bush's closest advisor, just like the President, should be completely honest with the public always, forever, period. Its slimy to say the least and if you don't view it as slimy, regardless of your political views, then you're slimy too.

When Clinton said "I did not have sex with that women" because he ridiculously did not consider the oral variety as "sex", conservatives went apesh!t: "he lied to the public", "he demeaned the integrity of the presidency", "he parsed words and spoke half-truths" (all paraphrases but the point is clear). Now, when its one of their heros, magically, all of those things are forgotten and its "well Rove committed no crime", "its the liberal media" and a witchhunt. UNBELIEVABLE!!!!! And, of course, the sheeple will just follow along to the Fox news/White House talking points.

Hippocrites.

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He didn’t lie! He only said that his wife had something to do with him being sent over to
investigate.Then reporter simply fallowed up from there and put two and two together.

Considering her and her husband is so HIGH profile. It would be like trying to make Bush
a “covert agent”. I mean come unless their covert opting a retard farm they would find out
who she was. I mean the high profile wife of a high profile ambassador? Besides the
Whitehouse dinners photos and all things the under cover agent WOULD NEVER DO!
Because you supposed to keep a low profile! Hell she hasn’t even been over seas in 5
years and has a desk job at Langley. Wtf would she have been working undercover on?
Besides at her husband’ lol

The case doesn’t fit the statute so… Nothing will happen…

Acroding to the way i'm hearing it He didn't reviel or know her name,
so your twisting what was said into something to fit you anti bush agendas.

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"Sexual relations"... "sex"... whatever. Irrelevant to the point.

Contradictory??? You don't see a difference between a technical "lie" and honesty? Saying something that is untrue is a lie. Saying something that is technically true but does not provide all of the needed information and therefore conveys the same impression upon the listener that a lie would is not honest. That is exactly what Clinton did and he was crucified for it as well he should have been. There is a huge difference and perhaps if more people stopped relying on technicalities as a substitute to real good morals, we would all be better off.

We should all demand better of our leaders in every circumstance and regardless of our politics. Just don't be selective with to whom it applies. Undermines your argument substantially.

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Clinton admitted to oral sex an committed perjury on the stand in a court of law.
You can also grant if he had oral sex he did “a lot” more then that. You’d think Clinton
is a total sleaze ball if you’d watched the Clinton chronicles you wonder how in gods
green earth he ran for office. That and when you factor in his wife water gate etc… ubber
scandle. If you believe the film he was the “dirtiest” president in US history.
But in it self was enough to bring him into question.

I'm just gald the Clintons finally, shut up! thier months haven't closed since he left office.
Democrats are just sore losers consideing the got burned last ellection.
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That's my point about this, if it was anybody outside of the Bush admin you wouldn't be all ready to hang him, changing positions based on the affiliation of the person.

If it wasn't Karl Rove then you wouldn't care, but since it is you get all giddy about it since it's something that you can say "See I was always right about the Bush administration"



I had a friend named Carl with a C and I am used to spelling it this way out of habit.

But since you want to play this 'game' we'll play

"Bushs "closest" advisor in scandal" it's Bush's not Bushs
"simpy stunning. [img]images/smilies/big%20grin.gif[/img]" it's simply not simpy
"he surronds himself with people of the same calibre.." it's surrounds not surronds

Everybody either misspells or typos, the fact that you even got started on this 'game' is beyond me. I've not met one person that could spell my name correctly in 'real life' either.

If you got a problem with how I view your position fine, but the fact that I put a C instead of K for a name does not even matter as anything significant. Just as your and my typos doesn't matter as anything significant as long as it is understandable what is meant.
It's ok Gab it was a joke, "You want to play this game" hahaha thats good sh!t man, nt on the save there.. "my friends name is spelt Carl" I made a simple mistake were I may have
missed a letter or 2.. I didn't actually spell someones name wrong..

Try not take it too seriously there buddy. Yes i'm sure we have all made simple spelling mistakes.. so take it easy there tonto.. lmao
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Oh your the most funny person in the world...

on topic:
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050715/D8BBJCL00.html
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Oh your the most funny person in the world...

on topic:
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050715/D8BBJCL00.html
Your willing to swallow that? My God Gab.. when I see a statement like that it can do nothing but make me think that you actually believe this bullsh!t!? I mean if it's on a newspaper or tv news broadcast then IT just has to be true? Don't you have your own opinion or a partially open mind about this shit that happens or do you just gobble up what the media spews out everytime something like this is done to your country and then spun into this "We didn't do anything wrong!".. United States of America use to stand for so much.. how did you as a People let it get so bad.

Someone else use to instill fear " to control his nation and brainwash them.. he was called Adolph Hitler. Hitler didn't have the media to help.. Bush does.

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Hmm you really are the funniest man on Earth , read my post for what I said.
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Try being a little more specific Gab.. wow.
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She was trying overtly pull politcal strings from behind a "curtan"
Would you rather he LIED about who sent her husband over?.
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Was not a covert agent at the time she was written about says
her husband.

She wanted him to check out the crazy report that saddom is trying to build a nuke.
Basically she sent her anti war husaband (as is she) is debunk the claims. He did so
and later a panel found just the opposite to his findings .
......

More information is in....

Her previous /old supervisor at the CIA says
"not a big deal", "No magor reprocutions to her cover being blown" no lives in danger etc...

She went over seas under "verry light non offical cover" when she wa her like
all CIA operative she was under a basic cover.

Her friends,family, and nieghbors knew she was a CIA agent
They never should of sent her husband to niger it was a bad idea
they should of sent a CIA spook.

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She wanted to play politics from behind a curtain you just CAN't do that.
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washinton times confirms carl row was second source was asked a question by a jernalist and answerd "I herd that too" , Row 1st learned of her name from reporters

It was also ben said said Carl row is already in the clear but Democrats
will not let the topic die and are beating a dead horse


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Your willing to swallow that? My God Gab.. when I see a statement like that it can do nothing but make me think that you actually believe this bullsh!t!? I mean if it's on a newspaper or tv news broadcast then IT just has to be true? Don't you have your own opinion or a partially open mind about this shit that happens or do you just gobble up what the media spews out everytime something like this is done to your country and then spun into this "We didn't do anything wrong!".. United States of America use to stand for so much.. how did you as a People let it get so bad.

Someone else use to instill fear " to control his nation and brainwash them.. he was called Adolph Hitler. Hitler didn't have the media to help.. Bush does.
So tell is oh wise one what 1st hand information you have eh?

You relying on the same media news and print for your information as well and you
know it. The same stuff you calling a load of bull your shoveling in your mouth at an
unpresidented rate . If you don't go by what the media says, what do you do just
make stuff up as you go along, come to baseless positions, just based on your hate
of the bush administation? Becouse with out the media sources you'd not even know
there was an issue!!! Liiitle lone have an idea of the situation and what is going on.

Except you probubly useing differn't sources and they all spin it one one or another.
Keep in mind normally the media in the US can't print "squwat" with out at least 2
viable sources!
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