China Says It's Prepared to use Nukes Against US

classic_leon · Jul 17, 2005, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by nuG

well they might like peace, but when it comes to nuking other countries, i dont think the people really get a say in wat the goverment does. damn communist bastards!

I got damn more sources that report USA wanted to nuke other countries than yours, "China nukes other countries", that's funny freaky. Recently, China hasn't attacked any country but USA is not. I don't wanna post those more sources to forum because they do not make sense, and only make different opinions offencing each other. A few guys who post it as the consequence of their viewpoints wanna scold others who ain't hostile to them. You hate communist, ok, well. let me question you, did any one communist trespasses on you?! the only thing I know, you are trespassing on communist!

Falstaff · Jul 17, 2005, 08:17 AM

China is becoming the leading economic power in the world...this is just saber rattling

classic_leon · Jul 17, 2005, 08:26 AM

I think most of guys here talk apart from the thread.

"...jehadists...terrorist..." come out...That is lection of muslim! Muslim wanna kill to get a hero, this is NOT related with the political and military problems of China and USA.

Necrosis · Jul 17, 2005, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Falstaff

China is becoming the leading economic power in the world...this is just saber rattling

Amazing, how the pillars of democracy hold up communism.

What is the difference between China, and all other communist countries and/or former communist countries?

I sure don't remember seeing anything made in.

1. Russia
2. Cuba
3. North Korea

Though I did see some pens made in Vietnam once.

classic_leon · Jul 17, 2005, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Falstaff

China is becoming the leading economic power in the world...this is just saber rattling

I'm not sure about this, but it's also said by an American economist.

But some freaky cows consider themselves always right. but true is China has supported poor Countries such as Nother Korea and and Vietnam for long time. Seem we even can know a person who likes death from the person's name.

Edit: especially EA games, made the funny f**king "C&C: Generals". In this game, the Chinese sodilers are danm unrealistic in saying f**king slogan (I swear I've never heard about that kinda slogan in my life.), using ki** *ss rifle (that rifle is REALLY freakie!!! shoot one bullet one by one), going the bloody hell music (seems like being performed by gong and non-midi drum).

mkk · Jul 17, 2005, 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nuG

well they might like peace, but when it comes to nuking other countries, i dont think the people really get a say in wat the goverment does. damn communist bastards!

The US is run by communists? Wow, that slipped me completely.

nuG · Jul 17, 2005, 09:39 AM

oh dont listen to me. i just spirt out random things that dont ever make sense. why would a wookie want to live on endor? IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE! ......... *slap* >_<

Stop It · Jul 17, 2005, 10:13 AM

Moved to Political/Relgious debate, sorry guys this has got deeply political.

Anyway, if the Taiwanese people voted for independence, and asked the US/UN for help in that, what right has china got to bomb the US over it? NONE, its long been known that Taiwan wants out of China, and wants to be its own country, this is China flexing its muscles, and making itself look very foolish in doing so, but as neon said, the Chinese gov have realised how dim that statement was and have backed down a bit, still, very stupid comments by their military.

The_Neon_Cowboy · Jul 17, 2005, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Falstaff

China is becoming the leading economic power in the world...this is just saber rattling

Well taiwan would verry important to such a goal of thier waich they do have.
Considering they have 3 to 4 times the people as the US you'd wonder why thier not?

classic_leon · Jul 17, 2005, 11:42 AM

This forum belongs to you, american people. I will be banned if I said right.
So I stop by now. See ya.

Pompey · Jul 17, 2005, 01:43 PM

In the event of a Chinese invasion of Taiwan, China would try to block any UN resolution that backed Taiwan. I would hope the West would defend Taiwan just as America defended Kuwait, regardless of what the UN decided. Maybe we can liberate Tibet at the same time.

Yousaif · Jul 17, 2005, 01:51 PM

Taiwan was kicked out of the UN General Assembly a long time ago. They are not recognized as a country, just as a rogue state. If the PRC chooses to take Taiwan by force then it is just internal politics according to the UN. Kind of like a civil war.

If the US gets actually involved in such a conflict, then it would have to recognize Taiwan diplomatically.

This is sounding like a Clancy novel, like "The Bear and the Dragon."

Pompey · Jul 17, 2005, 02:14 PM

I am ashamed to say that my own country wont recognise Taiwan. All china had to do was wave a free trade agreement in front of the government’s face.

Matth · Jul 17, 2005, 05:47 PM

Never mind free trade, China should be facing economic sanctions until they answer for their miserable record on human rights - it's time the last great communist dictatorship was set on the path to decency and democracy.

Of course, there are two sides to "human rights" - in countries that are already democracies, it seems to be a "chancer's charter" for anyone who wants to do whatever they like, but in places like China, it's about the right not to be run down by a tank while making a peaceful, or at least unarmed protest.

Gonzo28 · Jul 17, 2005, 07:39 PM

G.W. Bush is a new Hitler!
He is a fucking idiot.

He is for war, and kills lot of people without reason.
A war criminal like hitler was in 33-45 !

Stop writing such bullshit!

Razgriz · Jul 17, 2005, 08:15 PM

the superpowers are too dependant on each other. Without trade, they cannot advance. And if nukes fall, well, at least ill die with a clear conscience and a quick and painless death.

Sandok · Jul 17, 2005, 08:29 PM

only painless if the nuke falls straight on you... otherwise, your gonna burn

Ðamage™ · Jul 17, 2005, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by nuG

oh dont listen to me. i just spirt out random things that dont ever make sense. why would a wookie want to live on endor? IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE! ......... *slap* >_<

well at least someone here is making good of the situation.. nuG <---

This is not good for the US.. now they've spread themselves to thin with Iraq and Afghanistan to do much good for Taiwan. Not only that but America's self image isn't very good globally and even if they have the right intention.. people across the globe will look poorly on the US because of what's happened so far. They are definetly between a rock and a hard place, if they try to protect Taiwan then they risk nuclear war with China and that isn't a great thing to get yourself into. I pray to God that Bush and his Admin dont start the draft.. I know they've promised that this won't happen but with things going the way they are with China, North Korea.. and Iran also.. I see this happening. The only hope for this to be diverted is if the UN gets their shit together and stops the political ass kissing they've been doing of late.

mike2h · Jul 17, 2005, 08:42 PM

the us is not the only one that will oppose a forceful annexation of taiwan by china. i seriuosly doubt it will come to war. china will either keep the staus quo or let taiwan go. because in the long run it is in their best interest to, & is the right thing to do.
my opinion is that they are using this as leverage for barganing in other areas. as long as they do not try to overplay their hand it will all work out.

Ðamage™ · Jul 17, 2005, 08:45 PM

Good point. We'll see what happens.

Yousaif · Jul 18, 2005, 01:05 PM

Its not too often that we see the PRC do what's best for them internationally. The leadership there is even more insular than it is here in the US.

~~quanta67~~ · Jul 18, 2005, 03:55 PM

The reality is you need to stop doing business with China. I have always belived that doing business with them is a mistake. The more you do this, the stronger they become - the stronger they become, the more confident they become in their military capabilities. Enagagment isn't working - the idea that if you show China the benefits of capatalism that they might change their ways - has proved to have no merit - and has simply resulted in a feeding frenzy on behalf of Western/American companies who care little about the restrictions on freedom in China that are still in place, or who care little about the forced imprisioning of political dissidents - or the regular executions against those who openly disagree with the government - and also chose to ignore the forced 'harvesting' of human organs from these political prisioners to sell on the open market - and much worse things than this too. All they seem to care about is making a profit.

There needs to be another cold war so that we can break the back of the Chinese government - just as we did with the russians. Then finally maybe we can wipe the scourge of this kind fake communism from the world forever.

Ubergrendle · Jul 18, 2005, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Neon_Cowboy

..And the Chinese will have to prepare for thier entrie country becomeing a parkeing
lot with a population of zero Uninhabitable for hundreds of years.. Is taiwan really
worth the death of every man woman and child in china for them??? What good will
it do them to have taiwan if thier all dead?

Becouse now becouse of that threat
if they lauch anything our way there will likely be a full nuclar responce long before
before the 1st bomb hits. I guess it would sove thier population problems.

Btw the words of the general was not the openion of the government and he
later reniged on that warning backing away from the threat he made. Sounded
like something a Hitler would say. The cinese are carefully backing away from the
threat. Ment to scare amaricans into submission. Sort of like terorism.

We need to get some US and UN forces and arms down there to assist taiwan ASAP

Taiwan is considered a renegade province. Chiang-Kai-Shek was about as corrupt a leader as they come, but he was the guy the US supported during WWII and the years following, and the US backed a loser.

China's leadership is very nationalistic but also very predictable. China has no expansion desires into Thailand, Vietnam, Korea (although it would like strong alliances), but definitely considers Tibet, Hong Kong, and Formosa (Taiwan) part of China's traditional borders. Any discussions with China around surrendering Tibet are a joke; China will never relinquish.

One day Taiwan will be part of China again; its inevitable as long as there is a China. The Chinese take the long view... a 99 year lease on Hong Kong was a rounding error for them. However, the US can prolong Taiwan's pseudo-independence indefinitely so long as China is dependent upon US $ to fund its expanding economy.

All these military manouevers, threats of nuclear weapons, etc are classic cold war sabre rattling. No way this will escalate further without an external trigger.

~~quanta67~~ · Jul 18, 2005, 10:43 PM

Tibet is not, nor was it ever a part of China. If Tibet and the repression they have experienced is anything to go by, let us hope that America (and others) do strive to keep Taiwan as free and independant as she may ever wish to be. Of course if the Taiwanese people ever voted for union with China, this should be their choice too. But the way things are in China at the moment, it is hard to envisage this happening. Taiwan, just looks like an attractive proposition to China ATM, it has a huge technological and industrial base - and considerable banking and financial know how that could greatly speed up China's expansion. Or at least that is what they think. The reality may be if they ever did get their hands on Taiwan, that it could go the same way as the ecconomy in Hong Kong, which has taken a dramatic nose dive since it was returned to Chinese control in 1997.

mike2h · Jul 19, 2005, 03:35 AM

good post quanta.

HMS-Dreadnought · Jul 19, 2005, 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by tastyweat

huh... i alway thought china was small and puny

Small,??? Puny??? Muhahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!

So nobody told him about there 3000+ aircraft.

Wait till he finds out how big there army is.

Hey,.. and just think. When the arms sancsions are lifted (very soon) , think of all that money the UK is going to make selling them the worlds finest tank, along with every other peice of millitery hardware you can think of.

^^^ external trigger??

HMS-Dreadnought · Jul 20, 2005, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by quanta67

Tibet is not, nor was it ever a part of China. If Tibet and the repression they have experienced is anything to go by, let us hope that America (and others) do strive to keep Taiwan as free and independant as she may ever wish to be. Of course if the Taiwanese people ever voted for union with China, this should be their choice too. But the way things are in China at the moment, it is hard to envisage this happening. Taiwan, just looks like an attractive proposition to China ATM, it has a huge technological and industrial base - and considerable banking and financial know how that could greatly speed up China's expansion. Or at least that is what they think. The reality may be if they ever did get their hands on Taiwan, that it could go the same way as the ecconomy in Hong Kong, which has taken a dramatic nose dive since it was returned to Chinese control in 1997.

Who thinks Hong Kong would have been better off staying part of what was still 'then' The british empire.

Hard to beleve that was ten years ago.

mike2h · Jul 20, 2005, 08:29 AM

would really like to hear an opinion on that from anyboy that has lived there for at least 12yrs.

~~quanta67~~ · Jul 20, 2005, 10:35 AM

I don't know about better off. It was certainly financially better off. But I don't know if it would have necessaily been any more democratic. One thing is for sure though - and that's that people were at least never quite afraid to express their views there before 1997. I think the days of colonial repression by the Brits (not that it was ever really always as bad as some people make out) was long ago over by then. So people probably felt quite free to express themselves and disagree with whatever they wanted. Britian was only ever (and still is) a trading nation after all - and so long as the trade routes stayed open, there was never really that much of a fuss about things. But I guess the judgment of whether it is better now should come from someone who has actually been there or lived there for a long time.

But in purely ecconomic terms, things have undoubtedly gotten worse.

Oh and Dreadnought, I hope we do sell them lot's of tanks and bombs - just so long as we can press a button to disarm them and make them break down in case they ever try to use them against us - or America. I would rather have them using stuff we can control than using their own.

SFOSOK · Jul 21, 2005, 08:11 AM

I say use your nukes, wouldn't mind seeing a big nuke slap fight. at least it would be some sort of excitement

Jul 17, 2005, 08:17 AM	#32
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Stop It HHs' Resident Kitty Lover Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Biggleswade, UK Posts: 1,389 Rep Power: 73 System Specs	Moved to Political/Relgious debate, sorry guys this has got deeply political. Anyway, if the Taiwanese people voted for independence, and asked the US/UN for help in that, what right has china got to bomb the US over it? NONE, its long been known that Taiwan wants out of China, and wants to be its own country, this is China flexing its muscles, and making itself look very foolish in doing so, but as neon said, the Chinese gov have realised how dim that statement was and have backed down a bit, still, very stupid comments by their military. __________________ Sig Courtesy of Mousey

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Pompey DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 362 Rep Power: 0	In the event of a Chinese invasion of Taiwan, China would try to block any UN resolution that backed Taiwan. I would hope the West would defend Taiwan just as America defended Kuwait, regardless of what the UN decided. Maybe we can liberate Tibet at the same time. __________________ One's inability to find an answer to a question does not imply that the question has no answer.

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Pompey DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 362 Rep Power: 0	I am ashamed to say that my own country wont recognise Taiwan. All china had to do was wave a free trade agreement in front of the government’s face. __________________ One's inability to find an answer to a question does not imply that the question has no answer.

Jul 17, 2005, 05:47 PM	#44
Matth Flash Banner Hater Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: UK Posts: 3,411 Rep Power: 91 System Specs	Never mind free trade, China should be facing economic sanctions until they answer for their miserable record on human rights - it's time the last great communist dictatorship was set on the path to decency and democracy. Of course, there are two sides to "human rights" - in countries that are already democracies, it seems to be a "chancer's charter" for anyone who wants to do whatever they like, but in places like China, it's about the right not to be run down by a tank while making a peaceful, or at least unarmed protest.

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Razgriz Intelligence? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: On the edge of insanity Posts: 1,183 Rep Power: 53	the superpowers are too dependant on each other. Without trade, they cannot advance. And if nukes fall, well, at least ill die with a clear conscience and a quick and painless death.

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Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 66	only painless if the nuke falls straight on you... otherwise, your gonna burn

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mike2h DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: norcal Posts: 6,483 Rep Power: 89 System Specs	the us is not the only one that will oppose a forceful annexation of taiwan by china. i seriuosly doubt it will come to war. china will either keep the staus quo or let taiwan go. because in the long run it is in their best interest to, & is the right thing to do. my opinion is that they are using this as leverage for barganing in other areas. as long as they do not try to overplay their hand it will all work out. __________________

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Jul 18, 2005, 03:55 PM	#52
~~quanta67~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 37 Rep Power: 0	The reality is you need to stop doing business with China. I have always belived that doing business with them is a mistake. The more you do this, the stronger they become - the stronger they become, the more confident they become in their military capabilities. Enagagment isn't working - the idea that if you show China the benefits of capatalism that they might change their ways - has proved to have no merit - and has simply resulted in a feeding frenzy on behalf of Western/American companies who care little about the restrictions on freedom in China that are still in place, or who care little about the forced imprisioning of political dissidents - or the regular executions against those who openly disagree with the government - and also chose to ignore the forced 'harvesting' of human organs from these political prisioners to sell on the open market - and much worse things than this too. All they seem to care about is making a profit. There needs to be another cold war so that we can break the back of the Chinese government - just as we did with the russians. Then finally maybe we can wipe the scourge of this kind fake communism from the world forever.

Jul 18, 2005, 10:43 PM	#54
~~quanta67~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 37 Rep Power: 0	Tibet is not, nor was it ever a part of China. If Tibet and the repression they have experienced is anything to go by, let us hope that America (and others) do strive to keep Taiwan as free and independant as she may ever wish to be. Of course if the Taiwanese people ever voted for union with China, this should be their choice too. But the way things are in China at the moment, it is hard to envisage this happening. Taiwan, just looks like an attractive proposition to China ATM, it has a huge technological and industrial base - and considerable banking and financial know how that could greatly speed up China's expansion. Or at least that is what they think. The reality may be if they ever did get their hands on Taiwan, that it could go the same way as the ecconomy in Hong Kong, which has taken a dramatic nose dive since it was returned to Chinese control in 1997.

Jul 19, 2005, 03:35 AM	#55
mike2h DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: norcal Posts: 6,483 Rep Power: 89 System Specs	good post quanta. __________________

Jul 20, 2005, 08:29 AM	#58
mike2h DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: norcal Posts: 6,483 Rep Power: 89 System Specs	would really like to hear an opinion on that from anyboy that has lived there for at least 12yrs. __________________

Jul 20, 2005, 10:35 AM	#59
~~quanta67~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 37 Rep Power: 0	I don't know about better off. It was certainly financially better off. But I don't know if it would have necessaily been any more democratic. One thing is for sure though - and that's that people were at least never quite afraid to express their views there before 1997. I think the days of colonial repression by the Brits (not that it was ever really always as bad as some people make out) was long ago over by then. So people probably felt quite free to express themselves and disagree with whatever they wanted. Britian was only ever (and still is) a trading nation after all - and so long as the trade routes stayed open, there was never really that much of a fuss about things. But I guess the judgment of whether it is better now should come from someone who has actually been there or lived there for a long time. But in purely ecconomic terms, things have undoubtedly gotten worse. Oh and Dreadnought, I hope we do sell them lot's of tanks and bombs - just so long as we can press a button to disarm them and make them break down in case they ever try to use them against us - or America. I would rather have them using stuff we can control than using their own.

Jul 21, 2005, 08:11 AM	#60
SFOSOK 939 Goin Strong Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ontario Posts: 7,033 Rep Power: 89 System Specs	I say use your nukes, wouldn't mind seeing a big nuke slap fight. at least it would be some sort of excitement