Warpy

Exactly... color is just part of the problem, white or black. The issue is the respect and nature of people towards others not race.

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BiGBrOwNPimpsta

fool, listen to mobb deep, nas, jay-z, dead prez, immortal technique. then argue. obviously most rappers rap about having the rich life, having fun about it. you know its funny, but TRUE rappers (like kanye) that talk about the real shit. the problems are the ones that don't sell out. go watch tupac resurrection, theres way more than that. and i do support what kanye says, its true if it was a state that was more white or more of a financial center bush would give more of a concern to that state. and that very much tends to happen with a republic/conservative govt.

SFOSK, get out get some light, to a real club and check out what beats are being played there, instead of trying to flame and voice your P.O.S. flames through the keyboard.

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Falstaff

I think it is a very narrow view of the situation in the U.S. to say that republicans are less senstitive to racially motivated problems than Democrats or independents but I have heard that most of my aware life. Conservatives tend to be more rational and less impulsive than liberals and are just as prone to hypocracy as Democrats, when it comes to it, the Democrats are more partisan in their politics and turn on each other constantly.
I have to say that rappers that promote social change rather than talking about the size of their penis or bling or Ho's are more interesting than those that do. But it is all about making money, as it is with politics I presume.
Rappers, Rock Stars, and any other entertainer can rarely say they are the voice for their fans or for the nation.
Rappers like Kanye have their own reality, but they are part of different worlds. The argument that politicians dont care about the citizens that populate their countries is as old as their are governments.

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so instead of all those people being victims of poverty, you believe they are victims of rascism? do you know how big of a 'finacial center' new orleans is? while it is obvious most of the wealth that passes through that state does not stay in it, it is a very large hub for all sorts of imported goods. then you have the oil.
do you realise that most of the problems that have plagued La for decades is due to corruption of local goverment? and that most of the local governments are predominantly non white?
before making statements like that you should try to get yourself a little more informed. just some friendly advice.

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SFOSOK

I believe "white" which the comunity would caracterize as anyone with a light skin tone has been more persecuted than any other group of people on the planet. Look at Russian and that region. Look at the Romans. Look at the Germanic Barbarians. Jeez it looks like not many of you were awake in history class.

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SFOSOK

Who says I haven't tried to listen to Rap and actually like it. Still waiting on one song from the top ten Rap that is decent.



Still waiting...

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Pompey

Wasn’t it the republicans (under Lincon) who freed the slaves and the southern democrats who imposed segregation?
Thats what I read in a history book at least.

The odd thing about racism ive noticed its that has previously been taboo for white people to talk about it.

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SFOSOK

Please someone watch Crash, it really makes you wonder

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Pompey

What these people 'forget' to add is that black, coloured, African Americans (or whatever the PC term is) people were involved in the slave trade (capturing and exporting slaves to America). They also fail to mention that it was the evil white colonialists that put and end to slavey throughout the world.

Racism does exist though, they did a social experiment here recently. They altered the appearances of a blond-haired, blue-eyed New Zealander and taught her to 'act Asian'. She did suffer discrimination in virtually all the experiments they did.

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BiGBrOwNPimpsta

its more than race actually, since "white" people are the financial leaders here in north america being the ones in power for so long, they have established financial power. right wing governments are well known to put business before social programs. therefore, the black people (who the majority are NOT financial leaders) are not favored. that is what i mean. i think government is civilized enough to realize racism is wrong, but the way they handle ethnic groups for financial benefits is like racism. one group being favored over another.

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mike2h

i was speaking in terms of La wich is what this thread is about. economic discrimination, which is prevalent the world over, is NOT rascism. though it can seem like it because of the groups that are usually the poorest. i am white middle class & i suffer from economic discrimination just like everybody else in america & the world over. & i am not saying that the discrimination i fgace is the same as somebody that is poor, just that it is there & is a different issue from rascism. wich is assuredly not the problem with the katrina rescue efforts.
like i said, do some research on the politics down there.

as far as the rest of your post, the whole business before social thing is a large problem that is endemic world wide. needs to be fixed, but not sure how. the same corps that have the $$ to help social reform are the ones spending lots of $$ to pursue their special interests. & government members world wide seem to think this is a 'benefit' they are entitled to.

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There are more slaves in the world today than there was back then.

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SFOSOK

Funny, I don't think the NAACP considers a person a slave unless they are black

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Falstaff

not true......sheesh man.

guys I noticed that this entire discussion is headed towards arguments or profundities about racism and equality. This thread might make an entire new thread about racism really. Know this though, the first slaves brought to the new world were in fact bought from African slave hunters from Africa, the very first and perhaps the most successful culture to use slaves historically were from Africa, and they were traded along with slaves from other cultures of Greece and Rome in the Med.
Ironic isnt it....is it really about colour?
Its about money....territory. and perhaps...avarice.

Racism or discrimination based on physical differences, culture or religion are much older....

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mike2h

while most of your post is pretty much true true(sorry, i just really read all of it & agree. i went for my classic 'reaction' without reading all of it .), slavery has been accepted as an acceptable fact from a couple of hundred years ago till pre history. any empire worth its name (& the wannabes) made free use of slavery. dosnt not matter how far back you go, it is still there -egypt, sumerians, greeks mongols, does not matter. every ancient, medieval, modern, & everything between civ as used slavery to get it going.
several african & middle east cultures still hang on to this deplorable practice. what is going on in old russian states, china, some african states, & to a lesser degree india & some of the E pacific rim countries is absolutely deplorable.

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BiGBrOwNPimpsta

on top of this, kanye i know is a real legit rapper. his rhymes are more real, he doesnt present himself like some idiot thug either. his songs take some thinking to actually understand. he knows how to drop a REAL beat. in addition, WHITE stars such as Matt Damon have even begun back him. on top of that, the top 2 ELITE blackstars p diddy and jay-z back him now too. are they poor? no. but they are looking beyond the issue of black or being poor, agreeing on what is true.

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mike2h

personally, i dont care about mainstream rap. until they can stop promoting various forms of violence & using ryhtyms from other bands i have no respect for this genre as a whole. i also do not think every 'rapper' falls into this categorie.
that said, your dipshit buddy kanye, tried to capitlise on other peoples suffering. if you will notice, he no longer mentions his 'feelings' on this subject.
i guess his 'entourage' decided' it was no longer a $$ maker to have that opinion.
that or he woke up, did some research & decided, 'hey! i got my head up my ass & wow! this is what really happened down there'

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Falstaff

I have to agree about mainstream rap, some of the best that can be understood comes from South Africa or struggling nations where the spoken word and music really means something rather than major Bling here in the USA. I enjoy anything that tells a story, that is why I listen to country as well, and yes even folk music. During the sixties and seventies, major labels told their performers that openly protesting the war in Vietnam or anything else would endanger the agreements of contracts if you will, but that didnt stop anyone from writing about the truth if you will.

When I listen to anything it has to reach me so to speak, so there is very little of any genre out there I care for at all. But if the music takes me there I will enjoy it, if you know what I mean.

And I dont give a rats fanny what musician or performer's sexual orientation or political views are as long as the music takes where I want to go.

But music about hate, haters or a hating lifestyle, so to speak is so prevalent nowadays, I wonder if the mainstream media and mainstreamers (consumers that buy that crap) just want to get off on the hate or the thump.

I know what I like, and I could care less if the artist has a political statement...

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SFOSOK

I agree with you Falstaff I was just wondering though. It seems they are more avid for black rights than any other. I know they have defended other minority groups also. I believe the US should create a national system that regulates the equality of man throughout the world (not our millitary). I think we sohuld start it if everyone else is afraid to. I'm so sick and tired of humanity not being represented as whole but instead as minorities, majorities, skin color, or nationality. Watch Crash if you haven't already Falstaff, I think you would enjoy it quiet much, it deals with pretty much this issue.

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Actually, if you were to do some research, you'd see many rap songs that were in the top 10 in over the last 25 years that weren't negatinve in any way. Grandmaster Flash and the Furious 5 from the late 70's to the early 80's are the "Fathers of Rap" and were about good times and good tunes. Then there was Run DMC, who's white counterpart would be the Beastie Boys. They were about all about fat beats and fun music. Eric B. And Rakim? Mase? Slick Rick? There's literally tons of top ten rap songs that weren't negative in any connotation.
What about top 10 white artists who are negative? Alice Cooper? Deep Purple? AC/DC? Ozzy? Marilyn Manson?
All music is open to not only the artists interpretation, but that of the listener, too. It's meant to inspire sometimes, or to open your mind. Other times, it's meant purely for it's musical value.
As for Retards Attempting Poetry, the rapper DMX is a renouned Spoken Word Poet. And if it's a color thing, then let's not forget the black Poet Lauriet, Mya Angelou.
We all have different music tastes. I wouldn't necessarily say they're color driven. I'm black, but I'll listen to just about anything except opera and 75% of country music. I'm just as happy listening to rap or classical depending on my mood.
I personally think that most music that is considered popular, is written with one thing in mind, making money. Many times, the lyrics are for the sake of sales, not art, per se. THere are only a few popular artists who actually write from their heart, where sales aren't their primary motice (Sara Mclaughlin comes to mind.) but I don't think there are many of them.

On a different note, I'm glad that as of late I've seen other media outlets besides FOX News asking the crucial questions. "Why wasn't any mass transit used from the City of New Orleans before OR after the storm to evacuate anyone?" There's a lot more people pointing at the Governer now, too. I actually saw a report where the Mayor of New Orleans was ordering a mandatory evacuation (by force if necessary), because of the elevated health threat levels of the flood waters, then they showed the Governors response to his order. That bitch actually said "There's only one person who can order a forced evacuation in this state, and that's the Governor. And hey..look..that's me. I haven't ordered one, nor will I until further tests are done on the waters". Tell me, if you were a Louisianan, of ANY party, would you waste your vote on a snagglecunt like this? I mean, how dense is this bitch??????