Warpy

At a hurricane releif benefit Kanye West goes off about the way the media portrays black looters. A minute into it he blurts out Bush doesnt care about black people. Watch Mike Myers reaction, he doesnt know what to do. They quickly cut to Chris Tucker who mubbles for a while--- Send water...trucks...do what you can, save lives...we all are one and...Please, please please please. I would love to know what Mike Myers was saying to Kanye while Chris Tucker was tripping over his words.

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Sandok

Poor Mike... He was like so shocked! Oh and Kayne West is an ass. Lousy rapper... He can't even articulate! And stutters every 2 seconds...

TJ-

the dude cant even speak proper english. Go back to school on your welfare check buddy. You and the black people there complain because you rely on the government to survive. Time you got off your ass and did something for yourself!

Sandok

Zion wtf? You racist ass...

Warpy

Given the comments so far, I guess this needs to go to a different forum?

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MIG-31

Yep i agree that Kayne West is a rapper who can NOT rap......total trash.

But more than anything that is more frustrating.. He has only released 2 or 3 singles (here in the uk anyway) suddonly thinks he can take on politics...But then the had to be somebody to play the race card.

Talking of TOO BIG for the boots..The natural disastor that has hit the parts of the us is not the time or place to argue about race issues....

If thats his opinion...why don't he get of his ass and donate some cash to help out the needed... (i bet that would be a different issue)...... if thats what he thinks.

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Sandok

too true... He's not that famous here at all is he? I don't really like him that much... But it is true that some american press had said that two white couples had "found food at a local grocery store" and on the same page or time, a pic of a black guy "who was looting for food".

And sorry Warpy for sorta starting your thread roughly I'll stay quiet!

Warpy

I have never heard of Kayne West till just then, I actually thought he was some guy the dragged off the street.

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TJ-

Same...

I will refrain from commenting more on this thread for now, but as soon as its hits the flame zone (and it will) I'm all on it LIKE WHITE ON RICE!

MIG-31

By the way this seams more fitting for the 'Political and Religious Debate' forum.. thread moved.

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Warpy

Well, this would be my first post in the 'Political and Religious Debate' forum!

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MIG-31

just something to add... (im not instigating any hassle so please don't take this the wrong way).

Black people CAN NOT BE RACIST.!! (yeh wright)

Racism is all around the world come what colour or creed..aint it time that people moved on and got on with their lives without all the racist arguments.everything appears to be one sided...(where i live even more so).

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niceguyrichy

Kanye is a damn fine producer.
Listen to 'Common - Be' if you need proof.
Produced by Kanye, and pretty damn fine for it.

But yeah, he should stick to production and give the rapping thing a miss.

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I have to agree about Kayne West, however, when it comes to "black people" and Bush not caring, the facts speak louder than words. As far as AIDs research support for Africa, and the relief efforts, the Bush administration has given more than the Clinton administration. He has worked closely with trusted members of his cabinet, his administration and his governership that were people of colour. In terms of the demographic if anyone really wants to go there, Bush has recieved support from conservative people of different colors for quite some time. Regardless of how anyone feels about George or his father, he in fact enjoys a great deal of support from the "silent" majority of Americans that work for a living, pay taxes and want their children to grow up in a wealthier and healthier nation.
But G. Bush wants people to get off their respective "asses" and do more for themselves, and keep government out of their lives. The more we legislate for Americans the more we take away from the individual freedoms that Americans should enjoy.
My God, poeple still point fingers at Bush....and it is the mayor and the governor of Louisiana that are at fault here. The Senator is now putting some distance between the disasters of New Orleans and the real "blame" or fault here.
No one said a damn thing about the poor folks of New Orleans before these three disasters struck.
And I am talking about the Hurricane.....the flooding.....and the pollution of the potable water in the area.
G. Bush waited 24 hours for the respective governments of the effective areas to do something and then the military stepped in, and what is not widely reported is that the Navy, the Airforce and the Coast Guard had resources on site within hours of the storms passing, ferrying supplies, transporting weak and injured and rescuing victims...
G. Bush doesnt care about Black people or people of colour? Utter Bullocks....

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Falstaff,

I'm a black man and I couldn't agree with your post more whole-heartedly. I think the Black Democrat Caucus blaming Bush on national tv during this tragedy, and making it a race issue, set black politicians back 40 years. As for Kanye West, his music is "OK", nothing to go wild over, but he's an entertainer. He made the statement that "Bush doesn't care about black people". What he should've said, if he wanted to be accurate, was "Blacks as a whole don't care for each other, except in issues of race." Atleast then he would've been speaking honestly. As we've seen from many of them, their heads get a bit big with fame and fortune, and they assume that wisdom came along with their 15 minutes of fame. They could'nt be further from the truth. I haven't seen Oprah politicizing this. She's due to visit the evacuees in Baton Rouge tomorrow. Magic Johnson is donating free food from his Burger King stores in Dallas to those relocated here. He's also donating movies at his theaters here, bowling, tons of money, and as much of his time it all requires.
Also, where are the numerous black athletes donations? Kobe donated 500K. Considering he makes over 20 million a year, that's not shit. What about the rest of the NBA's overpaid crybaby superstars? They'll probably bitch and play the race card, but will they contribute to the relief efforts with big donations? The Manning brothers (They're White) paid for medical supplies and paid to have them brought to the N.O airport. They also came, to volunteer and lend their support. How about all the black NFL superstars? Any of them donating? I doubt it. Considering this is going to take foreeeeeeeeeeeever to fix, why is the NFL even planning a season? They did'nt play the week of 9/11.
On alot of online boards, blacks and democrats are wholesale bashing Bush solely for this tragedy. What they fail to understand or comprehend are these facts.
1. Bush ordered Fl., Ms., Al., and La. all disaster areas 2 days BEFORE the storm made landfall. Once this was done, FEMA was under the direction of the Governors of THOSE states.
2. New Orleans ordered a mandatory evacuation. This was ordered by the Mayor, Ray Nagin. What he failed to do, was actually have law enforcement go door to door, taking out the ambulatory and indigent who wanted to leave but couldn't physically. He, himself, however did flee to Baton Rouge and has been there the majority of the time since flooding began.
3. Gov. Blanco, of Louisiana has failed to establish any kind of command and control structure. How is FEMA expected to operate without this bare minimum. If it weren't for Lt. Gen. Honere of the First Army, there would be no communication at all. What relief the city has had to this point is due directly to him and the troops under his command.
4. Bush pushed through a 10.2 BILLION dollar relief bill to fund this tragedy. He also made sure that more will come when and if necessary. People say it's His fault because he cut funding on these levees, but they forget to mention that so did Carter, Reagan, Bush Sr., and Clinton. Also, they fail to realize that the levees that broke are on the lake side of the city. The one's on the river side, the side with the National Port, are the only ones that are federally funded. The one's on the lake side were and are supposed to be state and locally funded through the State Levee Boards ownership of a Casino, a Hotel, A Casino Riverboat, and lastly a Privately owned Jet Plane. ]
In this great time of suffering and need, some of the "nations black leaders" have chosen to play their well used up race cards. They choose to assign blame and politicize the event. As a human first, then as a black man secondly, I would've thought that prayer, compassion, comforting, and donations of time and money would be FAR more in order.
Guess to them I'm not a good black man.

Widkidone

LMAO... i love these issues where everything you do, you are a racist. If you think we need more border agents, you are racist. If you do not move fast enough, you are racist. If you think gas prices, you are racist. Hell, if you blew wind the wrong way, you are racist. Now with this crisis in New Orleans..... its not a race issue. People were warned about this hurricane way before it hit land. The have had plenty of time to get out. Hell, i can walk out of town in the amount of time they have warned new Orleans.
Next, its the governor of the state that hs to ask for federal help. it does not happen automatically, so how people call President Bush a racist. For all the people that blame Bush, about blaming the mayor of new Orleans (who haapens to be black) because he did not use the school buses to help the needy or the people that have serious medical problems.

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I work side by side with people of color on government projects and they share their concerns about politics, sex and religion with little impunity or fear of reprisal, and most of them share a common opinion that if people do for themselves first and work towards the goal of a achieving a peaceful and value enriched society, they will ultimately prosper, but then again like myself we are christians and muslims that embrace a common philosophy. I knew about Bush cutting funding for Levee repairs after it was determined that the money was not being spent on actual repairs but rather given to the City of New Orleans and to the Army Corp of Engineers for work that would not forstall the inevitable. I for one believe that with all the rending of flesh and the nashing of teeth, most people really believe that they can return and rebuild New Orleans, as I due....albiet as a multi cultural and multi faceted efforts to bring a new city from the ashes.....

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I don't like West and I don't know if he is right or not, BUT he did say what a lot of people had been thinking.

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Thats the wonderful thing about being an American, we can think about whatever we want, when we want and we dont have to be accurate, we can say just about anything we want and we can communicate in a number of ways that do not violate the law..it is our "freedom of speech". But no one man can be blamed for the inaction of that caused the deaths of people in New Orleans, and whether G. Bush ever gave a hoot about people of color, it remains the province of those that must strive and struggle and remain vigilant against racism and racial crimes to sound the alarm when injustice occurs...and frankly when it comes to G. Bush I see no injustice, I see a man trying to work with the fragile architecture of power that exists in Louisina and attempting to get as many resources poured into a drowned and flooded region without forcing the victims deeper into the polluted waters of the City and along the shores of Miss. and Alabama.
I say walk a mile or two in Bush's shoes for a change, and you will see it is like herding cats into water rather than a well oiled machine...

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good to see the "well edukated" rappers of the world [read: those whiny "thugs" who knock up 7-11s and yet can't spell 'armed robbery'] using their freedumb of speach to the fullest potential.

Widkidone

Well Kanye West should get his facts straight. First President Bush did warn New Orleans and the rest of the Gulf Coast about the hurricane and instructed the public to listen to the local and state officials. Well the state and the local officials did not do too much. The mayor had the opportunity to open the local airport as a shelter, did he..... nope. That would have helped the public and not just rely on the SuperDome. So instead of push blame on the President, try looking at the mayor and the local and state official first. Yes, there will be an investigation on this like they did with 9/11 on who to blame and why some things went wrong and what needs to be improved. So Kayne West needs to get his %$#@ correct.

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Rappers are never meant to be taken seriously (ever). They are just dumb people who can't get jobs so they sing about what other dumb people like. I'm sure at one point there was a pure Rap that wasn't so F$ckin stupid. If your looking for a time when RAP music will end, you'll have to destroy or educated all the morons over here. I mean, if you like rap, play basketball, don't speak correctly and drag your knuckles, I'm not goin to go out of my way to disprove the stereo-type you have created for yourself. I think things should be done equally or not at all ion this country. There should be no NAACP, it should be one organization that takes care of all of it. Thats racist though. Jobs should be based on physical and mental ability, not that you need different types of races or someone will think you are racist. People in the US are so scared of racism and sexism that the average joe gets screwed. Its just something we've all excepted because we felt bad (about something not our fault) that there was slavery over 100 years ago. I'm tired of paying for something that isn't my fault. I tried to get a job at EBgames like half a year ago, and the manager did not give me the job. You know why? because everyone in that store was white. So he hired an Arab and a black to even it out. Then I went in there recently and he highered an Asian girl... I know more about selling games than everyone (cept two guys) in that store, and I do not get the job.



Main point, white people take some much effort to make sure they don't trip over blakc people that the trip over themselves and fall off a cliff.

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AttroPheed

I think he's talking about this:
http://www.snopes.com/photos/katrina/looters.asp

His PR lady needs to rein him in a bit.

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Yes, but what does 'Bush doesnt care about black people' have anything to do with the media's choice of words to refer to black/white people?

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Widkidone

I agree!!! But President Bush gave the Gulf coast cities 24-48 hours of notice and as well launching FEMA as well. But once again remember only the Governor of a State can request out of state help. Plus the mayor of New Orleans had plenty of time to help as well, but he failed. He could have and should have used the school and city buses to help the people that do not have the transportation needs. Now he is voicing out on Bush... does not makes sense.

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AttroPheed

Good question. Maybe he's a pothead.

I'm quite shocked this topic has gone on as long as it has considering I've never even heard of the guy. Who gives a shit what he thinks. P. Diddy dropping the extraneous P. was more newsworthy.

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It wasn't Bush's fault it took so long to get aid/security to the people who needed it most, it was the Gov. of LA.. It wasn't because she is racist either, it was because she is incompetent.

Kanye West's moronic comments did nothing but show how stupid and racist HE is.

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I Don't think anyone can make a valid point of bashing Bush about a natural disaster because doing so would mean you would be agree with this moronic Rapper.

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Who the F#ck is Kane West anyway?

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I agree, you find reverse racism is very prevalent and racism in blue comedy, and even rap as well, that is no secret. But I think that anyone can complain about whatever they want assuming they are working towards a solution. Kanye can say what he feels that compells him to make the appropriate changes in his life and the lives of others, assuming he really gives a damn about people of colour either, but that is niether here nor there. The biggest sin anyone can be accused of is not being informed, and in America, that is okay, we can choose who to believe what we want to believe.

I notice he doesnt say anything about Al Sharpten, Jesse Jackson or other black leaders that have made remarks, he could have used his time much better rather than make remarks about Bush. I have been watching reports from different sources on televison and was delighted to see Lt. General Honore deliver a scalding reply to a question about the performance of the rescue teams in New Orleans.

Kanye can feel whatever he wants to feel and I wonder how much he donated to the relief efforts of poor people of color in New Orleans before the three and perhaps now four disasters have befallen them.

How many agencies were actively preparing a response to a potentiol storm of the magnitude that struck their city for the past 40 years. The poverty and the amount of welfare support the people have required in New Orleans for the past 30 years should have been a huge wakeup call.

140,000 households never had the means to flee the city in the event of a hurricane anyway, that has been well proven by the total lack of planning on the part of the government of the State of Louisiana for since 1937....

I guess that didn't cross Kanyes mind did it? You see, his interests were served when he got up on stage and did his bit for the post Micheal Moore relief effort, rather than the New Orleans relief effort.
Kanye can go home knowing he was "representin" to his "peeps" in New Orleans, but if he really wanted to show Pres. Bush his true metal, he would have gone down there and participated in the relief efforts himself, I think that would have been a true test of his character.

But Bush is there, wading through the morass of media cronies stumbling over things in the streets of New Orleans. Bush has quietly made changes and brought hard chargers and local military support online and force the government of Louisiana to take some ownership for the mess they created...

I wonder of all three presidents have asked the question yet? What the hell did the state of Lousiana and the government of New Orleans do with the billions of dollars that city generated for captial improvements, welfare, civic programs and levee repair for the past 20 years?

But I am sure Kanye may not care about that, no he wanted to get his two cents in, but you know what, Strong leadership among people of color has actually been driving the relief effort for 7 days, and they quiety endure along side the military, struggling to understand the complex problems that have killed so many after the storm...

No I am sure Kanye never gave it one thought did he? Being an real American means taking responsibility for ones own mistakes and striving for improvement not just for one or for some, but for all that have been affected.

G. Bush cannot afford to have the narrow view, the singular and uninformed understanding of the truth, no that is the province of entertainers isnt it?

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