CAPITAL PUNISHMENT-is it still necessary

Falstaff · Sep 25, 2005, 08:01 PM

Since the beginning of recorded time we have found clever and creative ways to punish men and women for crimes against the state, and we revel in the act of watching the punishment, that is human nature. But is it time to completely abolish capital punishment altogether?

your thoughts...

SFOSOK · Sep 25, 2005, 08:29 PM

The only reason I agreed with you to torture is because what ever a criminal does to a person to get into jail, should be done to them.

Falstaff · Sep 26, 2005, 02:00 AM

ah....an eye for an eye...I understand...and I too feel the same way..

CDsDontBurn · Sep 26, 2005, 06:43 AM

an "eye for an eye" isn't always the best solution, nor could it be the answer.

say for example: you have 3 kids all girls. one of them is murdered. now, the murderer only has 1 boy. you can't really have his one boy killed, for it is a boy and not a girl. though you can wing it and say "one of my children for one of yours".

another example: you drive a $50k sports car, and somebody vandilizes it and costs you a fortune to get fixed. their car is some beat up clunker that barely runs. you cannot ensue (sp?) the same amount of monetary damage to their vehicle as was done on yours.

These are just two examples of many different possible scenarios that "an eye for an eye" will not work.

Though, punishment is still necessary i feel. Serving life behind prison or recieving the death penalty for the murder of your little girl from my first example would be deemed appropriate for me. As for the vanalizee, again, time behind bars for the vandalism committed ontop of a lawsuit from the victim of the crime again seems appropriate to me.

pr0digal jenius · Sep 26, 2005, 07:09 AM

i say that if one commits murder WHILE IN THEIR OWN STATE OF MIND(not under the influence of massive ODs on narcotics, etc), they should be killed...plain and simple.

Those killing people while "under the influence" of drugs/alcohol/etc should be given life, sans perole

....and I also think anyone caught smuggling crack, weed, heroine, etc, should be asked to use all the drugs they are caught with on the spot

....j/k

Pompey · Sep 26, 2005, 09:14 AM

Its been abolished in most developed countries and even many American states.
Im against it because...
-Innocent people are executed
-Its simply state sanctioned murder
-It dosent work as a deterrent

Life imprison is a far harsher punishment in my opinion, In addition they should be used as forced labour. We need someone to make our numberplates.

I also think that if someone is intoxicated/high etc then they should face the full force of the Law. If they choose to get drunk/high its their own fault and therefore should face the FULL consequences of their actions.

SFOSOK · Sep 26, 2005, 09:43 AM

Well how I would punish the guy who murdered the little girl, is to murder him the same exact way he did it to the girl. If the girl was raped then he should also by a wooden pole or something that would be just as harsh. This goes for those who ahve killed, beaten, or raped.

Edit: The insane who have commited murder and use insanity as a way out (whether it is true or not) should recieve the same punishment. Insanity is no excuse for murder or rape. The death penalty should be applied to rapists, sexual predators, murderer's and anyone who has commited a serious violent crime. More pressure should be put on the justice system to make sure innocent men and women do not end up that way. The only people in prison should be thieves of some sort or people who have not done a direct violent crime.

As for under the influence, if it is proven an accident then it is, but if is blamed on the drugs side effects and the person willing took the drugs or alcohol, then they should recieve death. I'm tired of all this bullcrap the world tryign to pressure America to be like them. If we had a no tolerance for brutal crimes then this country would be a much better place to live.

This will cause people like this to think before they act, would I like to be killed or tortured this way? raped?. I believe it will work and crime will drop dramatically within a years time.

No mercy for those who do such crimes towards humanity and their fellow humans.

Ðamage™ · Sep 26, 2005, 03:28 PM

This is a very difficult question to answer for myself, because I do believe in Captial Punishment but under the proper circumstances.. just like abortion, I think it all depends on the situation at hand. I feel that anyone who kills someone out of rage and has had similiar problems before with aggression and not caring about thy fellow man/woman should be killed by capital punishment in whatever the government deems fit for this specific individual. The same goes for abortion, if a woman/women gets raped, she/they should be able to get an abortion without any second thought. But let's say for an example that someone steals something from some innocent person and it breaks up into a scuffle and the innocent dies because the person robbing him/her has a family too feed and will do anything to make sure his children have something to eat or drink (survival) and has known no other life then the life he was given then I don't think that Capital Punishment should come into play in this specific situation.. again it all depends on the circumstances. I know you wrote something before about child molestation and for that specific case, and in this matter and matters of the same I think that the accused/guilty person should be put into general population of a jail and live the rest of his life being beaten and pissed on rather then getting an easy ride out of life.

Peace

Frodo301 · Sep 26, 2005, 05:21 PM

Depending on the circumstance I totally support capital punishment. Prisons are way overcrowded as it is, why should any gov't support individuals who have committed grievous acts and crimes? I can understand trying to rehabilitate a thief but a child murderer/rapist?

Matth · Sep 26, 2005, 06:38 PM

If someone commits a crime so severe, and so evil and abhorrent that they can never be released, then it is a waste of resources, and maybe cruel to them, to incarcerate them for a "life MEANS LIFE!" sentence - unless the idea is that they should suffer, in which case, they should be breaking rocks for as long as they are fit to.

Or, as in one or two films, have a secure place that serves as a "dumping ground" for all the scum, with just enough resources to survive on.

SFOSOK · Sep 26, 2005, 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ðamage™

This is a very difficult question to answer for myself, because I do believe in Captial Punishment but under the proper circumstances.. just like abortion, I think it all depends on the situation at hand. I feel that anyone who kills someone out of rage and has had similiar problems before with aggression and not caring about thy fellow man/woman should be killed by capital punishment in whatever the government deems fit for this specific individual. The same goes for abortion, if a woman/women gets raped, she/they should be able to get an abortion without any second thought. But let's say for an example that someone steals something from some innocent person and it breaks up into a scuffle and the innocent dies because the person robbing him/her has a family too feed and will do anything to make sure his children have something to eat or drink (survival) and has known no other life then the life he was given then I don't think that Capital Punishment should come into play in this specific situation.. again it all depends on the circumstances. I know you wrote something before about child molestation and for that specific case, and in this matter and matters of the same I think that the accused/guilty person should be put into general population of a jail and live the rest of his life being beaten and pissed on rather then getting an easy ride out of life.

Peace

Well I believe that has more to do with the justice system, which think needs to be completely re-done.

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OldBuzzard · Sep 26, 2005, 09:02 PM

I'm all for the death penalty, but not for the 'wishy-washy' lethal injection. That's too damned easy.

I say bring back 'Old Sparky', and televise it.

SexPistoL · Sep 26, 2005, 10:17 PM

All those in favour, who should carry out the;
1. Punishment.
2. Execution.
3. Justice.
4. Or what ever you would like to call it!

br00ksintexas · Sep 26, 2005, 11:25 PM

According to the laws of the states who practice the death penalty, duely sworn law officers carry out the sentence. They either volunteer or are picked for this position, although most volunteer.
I'm for the death penalty. When I was 7, I saw my sperm donor blow my mothers head off. He got 20 years to life. Now, someone tell me how some uninvolved jury or judge gives someone 20 years for killing the one person in life they've actually signed a contract, in most states, to "love, honor, and cherish". You'd think, given the mitigating factors that he raped her dead body, then emptied his weapon into her vagina, that he would've gotten a more harsh penalty. He died in a hospital when I was 21. His body was riddled with many different diseases, including cancer and emphysema. For me, though, it wasn't nearly painful enough for him. I speak from experience...an Eye for an Eye..period.

SexPistoL · Sep 27, 2005, 11:23 PM

That is so awfull

I could never imagine how bad that is for you. But is it right to take any life? Make them "Suffer" YES.....Not the way jails "look after them" because of the, "Courts of humanity" show these people the humanity, that they show others. "What goes round comes round"

pr0digal jenius · Sep 28, 2005, 05:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldBuzzard

I'm all for the death penalty, but not for the 'wishy-washy' lethal injection. That's too damned easy.

I say bring back 'Old Sparky', and televise it.

that's a bit much.....

I always wondered why spontaneous combustion wasn't a form of it though...it'd take, like, 4-5 seconds tops, and there's no mess to clean up.

The_Neon_Cowboy · Sep 28, 2005, 05:36 PM

I say it a good thing to at lest have the option on the table where its exercised or not.

AttroPheed · Oct 13, 2005, 04:40 PM

Kill 'em all. Let their respective deities/whatever sort 'em out. In a cost saving effort I think 3 quick taps from a .45 to the back of the head is about all that's needed as far as theatrics. They could even already be occupying their burial spot when this takes place. Making the honest people that were lucky enough to escape a murderers wrath, pay for their room and board is ridiculous. Thinking they learned anything except how to avoid getting caught a second time if they're released is pretty laughable too.

T100 · Oct 22, 2005, 06:14 PM

^^^ I agree 100% but I think that the legal system needs to weed out some of its problems, take for instance Illinois which in the early 90's found 18 people on death row were innocent due to the advances in DNA technology.

Ender_Shadow · Jan 31, 2006, 04:40 PM

I am all for capitol punishment - but the thing im againts is if a person is sentenced to death. Kill him for $%%&^ sake dont keep him on death row forever.

And leathal injection, firing squad, electric chair - all bad !!!!
we need to harvest the convicts - give heart, lungs, livers, skin, eyes to those who are waiting for them - Now Body Parts was a horrible movie, and i doubt that would ever happen in real life - trust me people who have been waiting years for an organ will not care if it comes from a convict.

all organs will be rendered usless in all other ways of execution - harvesting is the way to go !!!

Sandok · Jan 31, 2006, 04:55 PM

It's just an easy way out... Not even painful

What a punishement

Nacht · Jan 31, 2006, 11:05 PM

I think yes and no.

I think optimally, we shouln't have to have a capital punishment. But as the system stands now, life imprisonment is absurd. Free healthcare, food, fairly nice living conditions, and you even get to hold a job to make some money. This is all paid for by tax-payers that have done nothing wrong.

I think that prison life should be a horrible spartan existance. Then, we wouldn't need Capital Punishment, because living 50 years in prison would be way worse.

e!i · Feb 1, 2006, 07:52 AM

Fortunatly most UK politicians disagree with you, which is fortunate really, the state has no buissness assainating its citizens. Despite the fact that innocent people get sent to prison all the time (and as a consequence are murdured), as a deterent, it fails to work.

Pompey · Feb 1, 2006, 08:28 AM

Quote:

And leathal injection, firing squad, electric chair - all bad !!!!
we need to harvest the convicts - give heart, lungs, livers, skin, eyes to those who are waiting for them - Now Body Parts was a horrible movie, and i doubt that would ever happen in real life - trust me people who have been waiting years for an organ will not care if it comes from a convict.

Makes sense.
Even though im against capital punishment if we are going to kill people we might as well put their body to good use.

Ferdinand_L · Feb 1, 2006, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nacht

I think yes and no.

I think optimally, we shouln't have to have a capital punishment. But as the system stands now, life imprisonment is absurd. Free healthcare, food, fairly nice living conditions, and you even get to hold a job to make some money. This is all paid for by tax-payers that have done nothing wrong.

Other than the constant threat of rape and violence, lack of freedom, wonderful food choices, lack of companionship, degrading and humilitating existence, and complete lack of control over basically any aspect of life, yeah, I'm sure prison is a wonderful place to be.

And for all you "kill 'em all" proponants, is this the need to protect society speaking, or pure desire for revenge? Is revenge a proper motive for a so-called "christian country's" government to take another human being's life? I'm sure Jesus would agree.

Ferd-

Pompey · Feb 2, 2006, 09:25 AM

I knew someone who had been in jail. They are allowed to take tv's and stereo into jail with them. Many homeless people commit crimes in autumn so they are in jail over winter.

I think the system should do more than just punish people. They should place a stronger emphasis on preventing re-offending through rehabilitation and education. Its better for society to have a person contributing to GDP than paying to incarcerate him. This isnt suitable for all crimes but for drug offences and other 'minor' crimes rehabilitation or community service is more appropriate.

My ex-uncle was a prison guard so ive had 'the tour' to show me what happens if I break the law

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Sep 25, 2005, 08:01 PM	#1
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	CAPITAL PUNISHMENT-is it still necessary Since the beginning of recorded time we have found clever and creative ways to punish men and women for crimes against the state, and we revel in the act of watching the punishment, that is human nature. But is it time to completely abolish capital punishment altogether? your thoughts... __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Sep 25, 2005, 08:29 PM	#2
SFOSOK 939 Goin Strong Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ontario Posts: 7,033 Rep Power: 90 System Specs	The only reason I agreed with you to torture is because what ever a criminal does to a person to get into jail, should be done to them. __________________ Warning - Explicit Content Preceeding METAL!!

Sep 26, 2005, 02:00 AM	Thread Starter #3
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	ah....an eye for an eye...I understand...and I too feel the same way.. __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Sep 26, 2005, 06:43 AM	#4
CDsDontBurn Lurking DriverHeaven Join Date: May 2003 Location: Southern California Posts: 22,805 Rep Power: 235 System Specs	an "eye for an eye" isn't always the best solution, nor could it be the answer. say for example: you have 3 kids all girls. one of them is murdered. now, the murderer only has 1 boy. you can't really have his one boy killed, for it is a boy and not a girl. though you can wing it and say "one of my children for one of yours". another example: you drive a $50k sports car, and somebody vandilizes it and costs you a fortune to get fixed. their car is some beat up clunker that barely runs. you cannot ensue (sp?) the same amount of monetary damage to their vehicle as was done on yours. These are just two examples of many different possible scenarios that "an eye for an eye" will not work. Though, punishment is still necessary i feel. Serving life behind prison or recieving the death penalty for the murder of your little girl from my first example would be deemed appropriate for me. As for the vanalizee, again, time behind bars for the vandalism committed ontop of a lawsuit from the victim of the crime again seems appropriate to me. __________________ Her First Day \| A year later

Sep 26, 2005, 07:09 AM	#5
pr0digal jenius Delete Me Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 14,648 Rep Power: 0	i say that if one commits murder WHILE IN THEIR OWN STATE OF MIND(not under the influence of massive ODs on narcotics, etc), they should be killed...plain and simple. Those killing people while "under the influence" of drugs/alcohol/etc should be given life, sans perole ....and I also think anyone caught smuggling crack, weed, heroine, etc, should be asked to use all the drugs they are caught with on the spot ....j/k Last edited by pr0digal jenius; Sep 26, 2005 at 07:17 AM.

Sep 26, 2005, 09:14 AM	#6
Pompey DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 362 Rep Power: 0	Its been abolished in most developed countries and even many American states. Im against it because... -Innocent people are executed -Its simply state sanctioned murder -It dosent work as a deterrent Life imprison is a far harsher punishment in my opinion, In addition they should be used as forced labour. We need someone to make our numberplates. I also think that if someone is intoxicated/high etc then they should face the full force of the Law. If they choose to get drunk/high its their own fault and therefore should face the FULL consequences of their actions. __________________ One's inability to find an answer to a question does not imply that the question has no answer.

Sep 26, 2005, 09:43 AM	#7
SFOSOK 939 Goin Strong Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ontario Posts: 7,033 Rep Power: 90 System Specs	Well how I would punish the guy who murdered the little girl, is to murder him the same exact way he did it to the girl. If the girl was raped then he should also by a wooden pole or something that would be just as harsh. This goes for those who ahve killed, beaten, or raped. Edit: The insane who have commited murder and use insanity as a way out (whether it is true or not) should recieve the same punishment. Insanity is no excuse for murder or rape. The death penalty should be applied to rapists, sexual predators, murderer's and anyone who has commited a serious violent crime. More pressure should be put on the justice system to make sure innocent men and women do not end up that way. The only people in prison should be thieves of some sort or people who have not done a direct violent crime. As for under the influence, if it is proven an accident then it is, but if is blamed on the drugs side effects and the person willing took the drugs or alcohol, then they should recieve death. I'm tired of all this bullcrap the world tryign to pressure America to be like them. If we had a no tolerance for brutal crimes then this country would be a much better place to live. This will cause people like this to think before they act, would I like to be killed or tortured this way? raped?. I believe it will work and crime will drop dramatically within a years time. No mercy for those who do such crimes towards humanity and their fellow humans. __________________ Warning - Explicit Content Preceeding METAL!! Last edited by SFOSOK; Sep 26, 2005 at 09:54 AM.

Sep 26, 2005, 03:28 PM	#8
Ðamage™ DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 545 Rep Power: 0	This is a very difficult question to answer for myself, because I do believe in Captial Punishment but under the proper circumstances.. just like abortion, I think it all depends on the situation at hand. I feel that anyone who kills someone out of rage and has had similiar problems before with aggression and not caring about thy fellow man/woman should be killed by capital punishment in whatever the government deems fit for this specific individual. The same goes for abortion, if a woman/women gets raped, she/they should be able to get an abortion without any second thought. But let's say for an example that someone steals something from some innocent person and it breaks up into a scuffle and the innocent dies because the person robbing him/her has a family too feed and will do anything to make sure his children have something to eat or drink (survival) and has known no other life then the life he was given then I don't think that Capital Punishment should come into play in this specific situation.. again it all depends on the circumstances. I know you wrote something before about child molestation and for that specific case, and in this matter and matters of the same I think that the accused/guilty person should be put into general population of a jail and live the rest of his life being beaten and pissed on rather then getting an easy ride out of life. Peace __________________ [COLOR=black][COLOR=red]ATi[/COLOR] Bios Flashing: The Proper Way.[/COLOR][COLOR=red][/COLOR] [COLOR=red]How to properly Install a VGA/CPU Cooler.[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]How to uninstall\install your ATi vga drivers properly[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]*It's not who we are, but what we do in life that defines us.*[/COLOR]

Sep 26, 2005, 05:21 PM	#9
Frodo301 Outraged Join Date: May 2002 Location: The mountains Posts: 584 Rep Power: 0	Depending on the circumstance I totally support capital punishment. Prisons are way overcrowded as it is, why should any gov't support individuals who have committed grievous acts and crimes? I can understand trying to rehabilitate a thief but a child murderer/rapist? __________________ The greatest thing you'll every learn is to love, and be loved in return.

Sep 26, 2005, 06:38 PM	#10
Matth Flash Banner Hater Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: UK Posts: 3,426 Rep Power: 93 System Specs	If someone commits a crime so severe, and so evil and abhorrent that they can never be released, then it is a waste of resources, and maybe cruel to them, to incarcerate them for a "life MEANS LIFE!" sentence - unless the idea is that they should suffer, in which case, they should be breaking rocks for as long as they are fit to. Or, as in one or two films, have a secure place that serves as a "dumping ground" for all the scum, with just enough resources to survive on.

Sep 26, 2005, 09:02 PM	#12
OldBuzzard DH's oldest Geek Join Date: May 2003 Location: Oberlin, OH Posts: 2,783 Rep Power: 145 System Specs	I'm all for the death penalty, but not for the 'wishy-washy' lethal injection. That's too damned easy. I say bring back 'Old Sparky', and televise it. __________________ When looking for a reason as to why things go wrong, never rule out sheer STUPIDITY

Sep 26, 2005, 10:17 PM	#13
SexPistoL DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: UK Posts: 604 Rep Power: 0	All those in favour, who should carry out the; 1. Punishment. 2. Execution. 3. Justice. 4. Or what ever you would like to call it! __________________

Sep 26, 2005, 11:25 PM	#14
br00ksintexas DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: May 2005 Location: Watauga, Texas (Just N. of Ft. Worth and S. of Keller) Posts: 119 Rep Power: 0	According to the laws of the states who practice the death penalty, duely sworn law officers carry out the sentence. They either volunteer or are picked for this position, although most volunteer. I'm for the death penalty. When I was 7, I saw my sperm donor blow my mothers head off. He got 20 years to life. Now, someone tell me how some uninvolved jury or judge gives someone 20 years for killing the one person in life they've actually signed a contract, in most states, to "love, honor, and cherish". You'd think, given the mitigating factors that he raped her dead body, then emptied his weapon into her vagina, that he would've gotten a more harsh penalty. He died in a hospital when I was 21. His body was riddled with many different diseases, including cancer and emphysema. For me, though, it wasn't nearly painful enough for him. I speak from experience...an Eye for an Eye..period.

Sep 27, 2005, 11:23 PM	#15
SexPistoL DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: UK Posts: 604 Rep Power: 0	That is so awfull I could never imagine how bad that is for you. But is it right to take any life? Make them "Suffer" YES.....Not the way jails "look after them" because of the, "Courts of humanity" show these people the humanity, that they show others. "What goes round comes round" __________________

Sep 28, 2005, 05:36 PM	#17
The_Neon_Cowboy HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 16,009 Rep Power: 92 System Specs	I say it a good thing to at lest have the option on the table where its exercised or not. __________________

Oct 13, 2005, 04:40 PM	#18
AttroPheed DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Paris Posts: 386 Rep Power: 0	Kill 'em all. Let their respective deities/whatever sort 'em out. In a cost saving effort I think 3 quick taps from a .45 to the back of the head is about all that's needed as far as theatrics. They could even already be occupying their burial spot when this takes place. Making the honest people that were lucky enough to escape a murderers wrath, pay for their room and board is ridiculous. Thinking they learned anything except how to avoid getting caught a second time if they're released is pretty laughable too. __________________ "Facts seldom interfere with belief." - James Randi "Where knowledge ends, superstition begins." - Some Guy "A wise man proportions his belief to the evidence." - David Hume [COLOR=red]Flying Spaghetti Is Lord!![/COLOR] My PC Stats

Oct 22, 2005, 06:14 PM	#19
T100 DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: South Florida Posts: 42 Rep Power: 0	^^^ I agree 100% but I think that the legal system needs to weed out some of its problems, take for instance Illinois which in the early 90's found 18 people on death row were innocent due to the advances in DNA technology. __________________ My specs:Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz @ 3.44 GHz, 1024 mb, ATI X800XL

Jan 31, 2006, 04:40 PM	#20
Ender_Shadow DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Jacksonville, Fl Posts: 5 Rep Power: 0	I am all for capitol punishment - but the thing im againts is if a person is sentenced to death. Kill him for $%%&^ sake dont keep him on death row forever. And leathal injection, firing squad, electric chair - all bad !!!! we need to harvest the convicts - give heart, lungs, livers, skin, eyes to those who are waiting for them - Now Body Parts was a horrible movie, and i doubt that would ever happen in real life - trust me people who have been waiting years for an organ will not care if it comes from a convict. all organs will be rendered usless in all other ways of execution - harvesting is the way to go !!!

Jan 31, 2006, 04:55 PM	#21
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 0	It's just an easy way out... Not even painful What a punishement

Jan 31, 2006, 11:05 PM	#22
Nacht ein Krieger Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Clemson Uni Posts: 3,127 Rep Power: 0	I think yes and no. I think optimally, we shouln't have to have a capital punishment. But as the system stands now, life imprisonment is absurd. Free healthcare, food, fairly nice living conditions, and you even get to hold a job to make some money. This is all paid for by tax-payers that have done nothing wrong. I think that prison life should be a horrible spartan existance. Then, we wouldn't need Capital Punishment, because living 50 years in prison would be way worse.

Feb 1, 2006, 07:52 AM	#23
e!i DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: London Posts: 138 Rep Power: 0	Fortunatly most UK politicians disagree with you, which is fortunate really, the state has no buissness assainating its citizens. Despite the fact that innocent people get sent to prison all the time (and as a consequence are murdured), as a deterent, it fails to work.

Feb 2, 2006, 09:25 AM	#26
Pompey DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 362 Rep Power: 0	I knew someone who had been in jail. They are allowed to take tv's and stereo into jail with them. Many homeless people commit crimes in autumn so they are in jail over winter. I think the system should do more than just punish people. They should place a stronger emphasis on preventing re-offending through rehabilitation and education. Its better for society to have a person contributing to GDP than paying to incarcerate him. This isnt suitable for all crimes but for drug offences and other 'minor' crimes rehabilitation or community service is more appropriate. My ex-uncle was a prison guard so ive had 'the tour' to show me what happens if I break the law __________________ One's inability to find an answer to a question does not imply that the question has no answer.