Religious Debate

CAPRISUN · Oct 28, 2005, 03:32 AM

I dont know if there are a lot of religious people here but the forum says political and religious debate so I want to have a religious debate, about christianity mostly. I was a catholic most my life cause my parents forced me to be one, but then I grew a brain when I hit 15 and started to think for myself and now I'm an atheist. If there are any christians here, tell me why you believe in god and give me some reasons why I should believe. I want to see what you have to say. Just a friendly debate, I dont want to piss people off or anything.

violat3 · Oct 28, 2005, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by CAPRISUN

I dont know if there are a lot of religious people here but the forum says political and religious debate so I want to have a religious debate, about christianity mostly. I was a catholic most my life cause my parents forced me to be one, but then I grew a brain when I hit 15 and started to think for myself and now I'm an atheist. If there are any christians here, tell me why you believe in god and give me some reasons why I should believe. I want to see what you have to say. Just a friendly debate, I dont want to piss people off or anything.

the only good christians were thrown to the lions in Roman times

curtesy of a fellow atheist

formely a Protestant that didnae ken whit he wiz protesting about

Sandok · Oct 28, 2005, 05:15 PM

Always been without religion and I've never had problems...

Good reason to believe in god though? Well if you don't believe in god and he ACTUALLY exists, when ur dead ur in deep sh*t. If you believe in him, well you didn't loose anything.

Good reason not to? No proof except some dusty book according to christians... And you get to "sin" all you want

Pompey · Oct 29, 2005, 10:48 AM

Unfortunately some people need to believe in a greater being, that there's a "grand plan". They need to feel that they belong.
Im not one of those people.

Sandok · Oct 29, 2005, 10:55 AM

True... I think one of the scariest things for a human is to think "I don't have a purpose" somehow. I know I was born cuz my parents got nasty. I have no "destiny"

Pompey · Oct 29, 2005, 11:14 AM

Most Christians are not bad people. The church has lost all its power and most Christians are comparatively moderate now - or at least here they are.
Our Science head of department is a Christian and he's also my chemistry teacher. It was interesting when he was teaching us organic chemistry and in particular the bit about fossil fuels.

I can honestly say hes one of the best teachers Ive ever had.

Sandok · Oct 29, 2005, 11:21 AM

Religion is not evil. Only when taken too far.

Pompey · Oct 29, 2005, 11:26 AM

If only Christians and Muslims (Muslims in particular) would learn something from their Far Eastern counterparts.
When was the last time Buddhists set fire to a Daoist temple.

Sandok · Oct 29, 2005, 11:48 AM

Never?

CAPRISUN · Oct 29, 2005, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Pompey

If only Christians and Muslims (Muslims in particular) would learn something from their Far Eastern counterparts.
When was the last time Buddhists set fire to a Daoist temple.

Actually, if you ever watch some of those "world's most amazing videos" shows, there was a video about buddhists fighting over a temple and it started a huge riot. They were throwing rocks and molacov cocktails at cops and the other buddhists. Thats if you live in America, I dont know if they have those shows in other countries.

Ender_Shadow · Jan 31, 2006, 04:24 PM

I guess you could say im a religious person - i didn't join any church until i was 19 but have never doubted or regreted my decision. I've never been finaticle, but i did serve a 2 year mission for my religion. (Voluntary with no monetary compensation)

And for the reason why i believe - I asked for and answer and recieved one
its never been more than that, sure ive had my doubts through trials and tribulation (the latest was haveing to go through 3 liver transplants for a genetic disease) but i always return to the beging - i asked for conformation and i recieved my answer.

Its all a matter of personal testiomony - and people will always comment the reason people believe in god is because they want to - well of course its that way God doesnt want a faithless follower. Just look what happend to Cain

Sandok · Jan 31, 2006, 04:39 PM

Who's cain?

Necrosis · Jan 31, 2006, 05:59 PM

I think you're going to find this a stale debate. No one is going to try to prove to you what you should be. It's up to you, and you made your decision. I'm a christian myself but you believe what you like. If you are not messing around in my personal affairs I don't care. Sandok & myself have already went a few rounds on this subject any way.

Sandok · Jan 31, 2006, 06:01 PM

Yes we have and it always turns out cold and useless and just a waste of LOTSA typing. Always good to know though that people aren't the same everywhere and I enjoyed the long posts but honestly, there is no real solution

You believe or you don't.

Nacht · Jan 31, 2006, 11:02 PM

As Penn and Teller say, we are surrounded my thousands of dumb people in today's world. The bible was written in a time when people were even dumber!

Necrosis · Feb 1, 2006, 12:28 AM

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As Penn and Teller say, we are surrounded my thousands of dumb people in today's world. The bible was written in a time when people were even dumber!

Though I like the show...

Yeah dumb people. The same people who built the pyramids. The notion that some one from a present time is less intelligent is truly dumb.

Nacht · Feb 1, 2006, 03:49 AM

They're not talking about dumb in terms of personal intelligence. Rather, they're referring to humanity as a whole's knowledge about the way the world works. At least, thats what I gather.

Falstaff · Feb 1, 2006, 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandok

Who's cain?

Ables brother mate..

Sandok · Feb 1, 2006, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Falstaff

Ables brother mate..

And who is that? I know some things about christianity but this is unkown terrain... Sry my folks aren't christian either so I really have no clue

LuCifer · Feb 1, 2006, 06:28 AM

What about those so called preists that did "stuff" to little kids.. does that count as a religous debate?

Sandok · Feb 7, 2006, 07:26 PM

That's in another thread

BWX · Feb 9, 2006, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by CAPRISUN

I dont know if there are a lot of religious people here but the forum says political and religious debate so I want to have a religious debate, about christianity mostly. I was a catholic most my life cause my parents forced me to be one, but then I grew a brain when I hit 15 and started to think for myself and now ......

Sounds like my mother when she was growing up- only now she is not an atheist, but a baptist.. I think the same about Catholicism, pretty hard to believe.. and many things do not make sense either logically or spiritually. No reason to become an atheist, but every person is different.

SFOSOK · Feb 9, 2006, 04:56 AM

You don't know who Able and Cain were?

...

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At least tell me you know who Adam and Eve are

SFOSOK · Feb 9, 2006, 04:58 AM

yeah my mom was probably the worst, she tried to be an exorcist when my bro kept drawing pentagrams all over the house. Also she forced us to go to church every sunday and is practically crazy now.

I could never be Catholic, never in my whole life. I'm goin to tell my kids you can do what ever the hell you want just don't be Catholic. I would rather be an Athiest than Catholic.

Sandok · Feb 9, 2006, 05:39 AM

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You don't know who Able and Cain were?

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At least tell me you know who Adam and Eve are

Adam and Eve yes but dude, I'm not christian so how you want me to know your stories?

SFOSOK · Feb 9, 2006, 07:03 AM

They are not my stories but should have at least been exposed to Able and Cain. The were brothers and Adam and Eve's children after they were booted out of eden.

I still believe the bible should be studied in English classes as one of the greatest literary examples. Not because I may think its a great teaching tool, but anything that has caused billions of people to believe it should be studied and not just ignored because its the politcally correct thing to do

So on one hand its true and it is a book about Us and God
On the other it fooled billions and should still be studdied.

To ignore the bible is just like throwing away knowledge. You can't make a strong point to oppose Christianity without reading it first. So any anti religion or christian things are void until you study both sides. If you only read up on your side of an arguement you will neverthink you are wrong and therefore become an absolute moron.

So if anyone feels like they wanna bash Christians, read the bible and get back to me...

BWX · Feb 9, 2006, 07:05 AM

Yeah I hear ya, same reason you don't have any right to complain about the president if you didn't vote.

SFOSOK · Feb 9, 2006, 07:12 AM

I think its probably the most common thing that is overlooked in arguements.

If you can't defend both sides then you can't defend your side

Lakevren · Feb 9, 2006, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandok

Adam and Eve yes but dude, I'm not christian so how you want me to know your stories?

What are you? Even remotely.

And I mean religion.

Hell, what's your ethnicity? And place of birth? Sorry for being personal.

Pompey · Feb 9, 2006, 09:11 AM

It is up to you to prove Christianity, not for us to disprove it.
You must come to us with a claim that can be scientifically tested.

Christian views about the universe have been disproved several times. We know for example that this god does not sit in 'heaven' up in the clouds, everything does not revolve around the earth and the world is not flat.

Ill use an ‘elephant in the kitchen’ for my example. If someone claims there is an elephant in your kitchen you can make a simple observation to determine if there is an elephant in your kitchen. If someone claims there is an invisible, undetectable elephant in your kitchen how do you verify that? You can’t.

We can only prove/disprove something that is testable.

Oct 28, 2005, 03:32 AM	#1
CAPRISUN DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6 Rep Power: 0	Religious Debate I dont know if there are a lot of religious people here but the forum says political and religious debate so I want to have a religious debate, about christianity mostly. I was a catholic most my life cause my parents forced me to be one, but then I grew a brain when I hit 15 and started to think for myself and now I'm an atheist. If there are any christians here, tell me why you believe in god and give me some reasons why I should believe. I want to see what you have to say. Just a friendly debate, I dont want to piss people off or anything.

Oct 29, 2005, 10:48 AM	#4
Pompey DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 362 Rep Power: 0	Unfortunately some people need to believe in a greater being, that there's a "grand plan". They need to feel that they belong. Im not one of those people. __________________ One's inability to find an answer to a question does not imply that the question has no answer.

Oct 29, 2005, 11:14 AM	#6
Pompey DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 362 Rep Power: 0	Most Christians are not bad people. The church has lost all its power and most Christians are comparatively moderate now - or at least here they are. Our Science head of department is a Christian and he's also my chemistry teacher. It was interesting when he was teaching us organic chemistry and in particular the bit about fossil fuels. I can honestly say hes one of the best teachers Ive ever had. __________________ One's inability to find an answer to a question does not imply that the question has no answer.

Oct 29, 2005, 11:26 AM	#8
Pompey DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 362 Rep Power: 0	If only Christians and Muslims (Muslims in particular) would learn something from their Far Eastern counterparts. When was the last time Buddhists set fire to a Daoist temple. __________________ One's inability to find an answer to a question does not imply that the question has no answer.

Feb 1, 2006, 06:28 AM	#20
LuCifer DH sig maker! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Fontucky Posts: 1,158 Rep Power: 0	What about those so called preists that did "stuff" to little kids.. does that count as a religous debate? __________________

Oct 28, 2005, 05:15 PM	#3
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 0	Always been without religion and I've never had problems... Good reason to believe in god though? Well if you don't believe in god and he ACTUALLY exists, when ur dead ur in deep sh*t. If you believe in him, well you didn't loose anything. Good reason not to? No proof except some dusty book according to christians... And you get to "sin" all you want

Oct 29, 2005, 10:55 AM	#5
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 0	True... I think one of the scariest things for a human is to think "I don't have a purpose" somehow. I know I was born cuz my parents got nasty. I have no "destiny"

Oct 29, 2005, 11:21 AM	#7
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 0	Religion is not evil. Only when taken too far.

Oct 29, 2005, 11:48 AM	#9
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 0	Never?

Jan 31, 2006, 04:24 PM	#11
Ender_Shadow DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Jacksonville, Fl Posts: 5 Rep Power: 0	I guess you could say im a religious person - i didn't join any church until i was 19 but have never doubted or regreted my decision. I've never been finaticle, but i did serve a 2 year mission for my religion. (Voluntary with no monetary compensation) And for the reason why i believe - I asked for and answer and recieved one its never been more than that, sure ive had my doubts through trials and tribulation (the latest was haveing to go through 3 liver transplants for a genetic disease) but i always return to the beging - i asked for conformation and i recieved my answer. Its all a matter of personal testiomony - and people will always comment the reason people believe in god is because they want to - well of course its that way God doesnt want a faithless follower. Just look what happend to Cain

Jan 31, 2006, 04:39 PM	#12
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 0	Who's cain?

Jan 31, 2006, 05:59 PM	#13
Necrosis HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,838 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	I think you're going to find this a stale debate. No one is going to try to prove to you what you should be. It's up to you, and you made your decision. I'm a christian myself but you believe what you like. If you are not messing around in my personal affairs I don't care. Sandok & myself have already went a few rounds on this subject any way.

Jan 31, 2006, 06:01 PM	#14
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 0	Yes we have and it always turns out cold and useless and just a waste of LOTSA typing. Always good to know though that people aren't the same everywhere and I enjoyed the long posts but honestly, there is no real solution You believe or you don't.

Jan 31, 2006, 11:02 PM	#15
Nacht ein Krieger Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Clemson Uni Posts: 3,127 Rep Power: 0	As Penn and Teller say, we are surrounded my thousands of dumb people in today's world. The bible was written in a time when people were even dumber!

Feb 1, 2006, 03:49 AM	#17
Nacht ein Krieger Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Clemson Uni Posts: 3,127 Rep Power: 0	They're not talking about dumb in terms of personal intelligence. Rather, they're referring to humanity as a whole's knowledge about the way the world works. At least, thats what I gather.

Feb 7, 2006, 07:26 PM	#21
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 0	That's in another thread

Feb 9, 2006, 04:56 AM	#23
SFOSOK 939 Goin Strong Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ontario Posts: 7,033 Rep Power: 90 System Specs	You don't know who Able and Cain were? ... ..... At least tell me you know who Adam and Eve are __________________ Warning - Explicit Content Preceeding METAL!!

Feb 9, 2006, 04:58 AM	#24
SFOSOK 939 Goin Strong Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ontario Posts: 7,033 Rep Power: 90 System Specs	yeah my mom was probably the worst, she tried to be an exorcist when my bro kept drawing pentagrams all over the house. Also she forced us to go to church every sunday and is practically crazy now. I could never be Catholic, never in my whole life. I'm goin to tell my kids you can do what ever the hell you want just don't be Catholic. I would rather be an Athiest than Catholic. __________________ Warning - Explicit Content Preceeding METAL!!

Feb 9, 2006, 07:03 AM	#26
SFOSOK 939 Goin Strong Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ontario Posts: 7,033 Rep Power: 90 System Specs	They are not my stories but should have at least been exposed to Able and Cain. The were brothers and Adam and Eve's children after they were booted out of eden. I still believe the bible should be studied in English classes as one of the greatest literary examples. Not because I may think its a great teaching tool, but anything that has caused billions of people to believe it should be studied and not just ignored because its the politcally correct thing to do So on one hand its true and it is a book about Us and God On the other it fooled billions and should still be studdied. To ignore the bible is just like throwing away knowledge. You can't make a strong point to oppose Christianity without reading it first. So any anti religion or christian things are void until you study both sides. If you only read up on your side of an arguement you will neverthink you are wrong and therefore become an absolute moron. So if anyone feels like they wanna bash Christians, read the bible and get back to me... __________________ Warning - Explicit Content Preceeding METAL!!

Feb 9, 2006, 07:05 AM	#27
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,669 Rep Power: 110 System Specs	Yeah I hear ya, same reason you don't have any right to complain about the president if you didn't vote. __________________

Feb 9, 2006, 07:12 AM	#28
SFOSOK 939 Goin Strong Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ontario Posts: 7,033 Rep Power: 90 System Specs	I think its probably the most common thing that is overlooked in arguements. If you can't defend both sides then you can't defend your side __________________ Warning - Explicit Content Preceeding METAL!!

Feb 9, 2006, 09:11 AM	#30
Pompey DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 362 Rep Power: 0	It is up to you to prove Christianity, not for us to disprove it. You must come to us with a claim that can be scientifically tested. Christian views about the universe have been disproved several times. We know for example that this god does not sit in 'heaven' up in the clouds, everything does not revolve around the earth and the world is not flat. Ill use an ‘elephant in the kitchen’ for my example. If someone claims there is an elephant in your kitchen you can make a simple observation to determine if there is an elephant in your kitchen. If someone claims there is an invisible, undetectable elephant in your kitchen how do you verify that? You can’t. We can only prove/disprove something that is testable. __________________ One's inability to find an answer to a question does not imply that the question has no answer.