1 Samuel 15:2-3

wlh · Dec 12, 2005, 05:08 PM

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[color=sienna]1 Samuel 15:2-3[/color]

[/color][color=sienna]Voltaire: "Those who can induce you to believe absurdities can induce you to commit atrocities"[/color]

[color=sienna]Surely one can't believe they are more righteous than God? So how is it that many who claim to believe1 Samuel 15:2-3 is truthfully said of God, find that what God commands men to do in 1 Samuel 15:2-3 is contrary to their own sense of what is righteous? For 1 Samuel 15:2-3 perfectly illustrates a perverse belief of God, that any sane person should find repugnant to their own sense of what is righteous. There is no difference, whatsoever, in the vileness done by Islamist terrorists on 9/11 and the vileness of 1 Samuel 15:2-3. The evil deeds of both are manifestations of insane beliefs of God. For the Hitlerian like commands in 1 Samuel 15:2-3 reflect not the mind of God, but a depraved mind. No child of God can stand before God or men and truthfully say that what is said of God in 1 Samuel 15:2-3 has not troubled them. The best they can say is they have believed it because they were fearful not to believe it, which is the evidence of being in bondage to an unrighteous fear of God.[/color]

[color=sienna]1 Samuel 15:2-3 Thus says the Lord of hosts,.. (3) Now go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have; do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camels and donkey![/color]

[color=sienna]How can any sound-minded person not see the utter depravity of saying God commanded men to be the butchers of men and women, which by itself is vile enough, but that God even commanded that they be the butchers of children and infants? To believe that God is that bloody butcher in 1 Samuel 15:2-3 leaves little need of a devil to fear. Common sense alone should tell one that had God wanted the Amalekites destroyed, He would have done it Himself![/color]

[color=sienna]Unlike the primitive mumbo jumbo in the claims of the Great flood and the slaying of the firstborn of Egypt, where God is said to do the dirty work, 1 Samuel 15:2-3 has God commanding that men do the dirty work. Thus, it can be personalized by simply imagining one's self in that scenario. By making it personal, one has to visualize the horror of that bloody scene. They must see the sword in their own hand and the terror in the eyes of those whom they are to butcher and hear the screams of women and children literally being hacked to death in front of one another. It is in making this bloody atrocity personal that it becomes real, rather than just some ancient abstract account. It should force one to truthfully consider whether or not they could have been obedient to the claims of priests: It's the command of God! And to honestly question whether or not they could love one that would command them to do such horrible things. [/color]

[color=sienna]Only morons and lunatics could think that butchering people is not an atrocity. And only a liar would claim that God has personally told them that 1 Samuel 15:2-3 speaks truthfully of Him. Thus, the only excuse a sane sound minded person can offer for not questioning what 1 Samuel 15:2-3 says of God, is that they are fearful of questioning what the Bible claims, which is the evidence of their bondage to an unrighteous fear of God.[/color]

[color=sienna]Yet not everyone that claims to believe what 1 Samuel 15:2-3 says of God does so out of an unrighteous fear of God, but believe it because it agrees with their spiritual nature. Their spiritual nature is different than those who if Moses commanded them to stone another would seek a small pebble and hoped it caused no harm; for they would seek a large rock and be happy for the harm it would cause. Much is revealed about the spirituality and mentality of those who try to rationalize the butchery of people in 1 Samuel 15:2-3. For they argue that those who were ripping terrified children from their mother's arms and bashing their brains out were righteous before God because God commanded this slaughter. Regardless of how one tries to justify 1 Samuel 15:2-3, there is no nice way to butcher people. Trying to put a happy face on the vile deeds of 1 Samuel 15:2-3 requires the same kind of twisted thinking that Islamic terrorists are using today in Iraq to justify the evil that they do.[/color]

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Nacht · Dec 12, 2005, 05:45 PM

Agreed 100%.

I'm not sure if this is where you got it or not, but http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/ has a bunch of listings like this, where it can really make you think about the contradictions and absurdities in the bible.

Of course, I do not use that site as a source for debate, because such a site obviously has an agenda, and therefore bias is unavoidable.

But still, it makes you think.

wlh · Dec 12, 2005, 06:24 PM

What does the rune symbol on your shield mean to you?

Nacht · Dec 13, 2005, 12:16 AM

It means alot of things.

The fact that you thought to ask shows you might know a thing or two about it.

This thread really isn't the place though.

Falstaff · Dec 23, 2005, 07:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nacht

It means alot of things.

The fact that you thought to ask shows you might know a thing or two about it.

This thread really isn't the place though.

I know what it means.....tsk tsk

Nacht · Dec 24, 2005, 06:49 AM

No, its not necessarily a bad thing.

It just so happens that it is used by other organizations as well that are less than wholesome

GutterPunk · Dec 24, 2005, 09:27 PM

The old testament is way different from the new testament... You can find many 'atrocitise' as such in the old testament... as God was pretty cruel and didnt have much if any forgiveness. After God sent his Son Jesus to die for our sins to allow us to be forgiven, things changed.

God was a fearful God in the old testament, and you can find a good share of things like such there...

Edit: Took a look at that site, and started browsing... made me wonder what in the heck they were trying to do on it... but it will definitely get you if you are 'skeptical' I only glanced through some of the chapters and their lil' markings. It only made me laugh

merlinxi · Dec 24, 2005, 09:29 PM

I don't celebrate Holidays. None of the holidays are in the bible. Do reseach on the original of all these holidays to see what you indulge in, it's sick when you finally find out.

Nacht · Dec 24, 2005, 10:49 PM

Most holidays in today's culture are actually amalgamations and mixtures of many different culture's traditions and beliefs. The different rituals usually associated with Christmas have originations in norse, germanic, and many other cultures.

Easter is the same way.

Basically, they were created to help ease the "uncivilized masses" into the invading Christian culture. That is why in many old northern European art, Jesus is shown as a Anglo male with blue eyes, and sometimes blonde hair. This was an attempt to help the locals relate to him, rather than if they showed a middle easterner from a completely different part of the world.

GutterPunk · Dec 25, 2005, 06:56 AM

Biblically you aren't supposed to depict what Jesus looked like

Falstaff · Dec 25, 2005, 07:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GutterPunk

Biblically you aren't supposed to depict what Jesus looked like

nobody really knows really
shoot he could look like Drew Carey!

merlinxi · Jan 1, 2006, 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nacht

Most holidays in today's culture are actually amalgamations and mixtures of many different culture's traditions and beliefs. The different rituals usually associated with Christmas have originations in norse, germanic, and many other cultures.

Easter is the same way.

Basically, they were created to help ease the "uncivilized masses" into the invading Christian culture. That is why in many old northern European art, Jesus is shown as a Anglo male with blue eyes, and sometimes blonde hair. This was an attempt to help the locals relate to him, rather than if they showed a middle easterner from a completely different part of the world.

That is one of the problems yes.

Sandok · Jan 10, 2006, 09:07 PM

But are you all forgetting your religion isn't maybe the right one and the only one? Todays holidays are the evolution of our time on earth as a society. They all exist for reasons whether you like em or not. I mean, christianity isn't necessarily right and neither is muslimism.

Anyways, more nad more people are forgetting the true meaning of these holidays (Xmas anyone?) and since more and more people are multicultrural and brought up with more than one religion, nobody cares except the hardcore fanatics which are the ones making hell and war on this planet.

merlinxi · Jan 11, 2006, 12:49 AM

So you want to participate in holidays that are based off of fornication , sacrifice and killing and have nothing to do with God? okay be my guest.

Nacht · Jan 11, 2006, 04:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sandok

muslimism

Islam?

Sandok · Jan 11, 2006, 06:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by merlinxi

So you want to participate in holidays that are based off of fornication , sacrifice and killing and have nothing to do with God? okay be my guest.

I don't believe in god so I don't really care... Days off are days off!

And yes nacth, islam

Falstaff · Jan 11, 2006, 07:29 AM

both of you, clean up your rooms and finish the dishes, your father is gonna be home soon..LOL

merlinxi · Jan 11, 2006, 09:17 AM

I am not finished with the dishes. I need some Pledge to get the tough grease and grime off the dish!
Your not fully clean until your zest fully clean!!!

Dec 12, 2005, 05:08 PM	#1
wlh DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0	1 Samuel 15:2-3 [color=#808000] [color=sienna]1 Samuel 15:2-3[/color] [/color][color=sienna]Voltaire: "Those who can induce you to believe absurdities can induce you to commit atrocities"[/color] [color=sienna]Surely one can't believe they are more righteous than God? So how is it that many who claim to believe1 Samuel 15:2-3 is truthfully said of God, find that what God commands men to do in 1 Samuel 15:2-3 is contrary to their own sense of what is righteous? For 1 Samuel 15:2-3 perfectly illustrates a perverse belief of God, that any sane person should find repugnant to their own sense of what is righteous. There is no difference, whatsoever, in the vileness done by Islamist terrorists on 9/11 and the vileness of 1 Samuel 15:2-3. The evil deeds of both are manifestations of insane beliefs of God. For the Hitlerian like commands in 1 Samuel 15:2-3 reflect not the mind of God, but a depraved mind. No child of God can stand before God or men and truthfully say that what is said of God in 1 Samuel 15:2-3 has not troubled them. The best they can say is they have believed it because they were fearful not to believe it, which is the evidence of being in bondage to an unrighteous fear of God.[/color] [color=sienna]1 Samuel 15:2-3 Thus says the Lord of hosts,.. (3) Now go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have; do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camels and donkey![/color] [color=sienna]How can any sound-minded person not see the utter depravity of saying God commanded men to be the butchers of men and women, which by itself is vile enough, but that God even commanded that they be the butchers of children and infants? To believe that God is that bloody butcher in 1 Samuel 15:2-3 leaves little need of a devil to fear. Common sense alone should tell one that had God wanted the Amalekites destroyed, He would have done it Himself![/color] [color=sienna]Unlike the primitive mumbo jumbo in the claims of the Great flood and the slaying of the firstborn of Egypt, where God is said to do the dirty work, 1 Samuel 15:2-3 has God commanding that men do the dirty work. Thus, it can be personalized by simply imagining one's self in that scenario. By making it personal, one has to visualize the horror of that bloody scene. They must see the sword in their own hand and the terror in the eyes of those whom they are to butcher and hear the screams of women and children literally being hacked to death in front of one another. It is in making this bloody atrocity personal that it becomes real, rather than just some ancient abstract account. It should force one to truthfully consider whether or not they could have been obedient to the claims of priests: It's the command of God! And to honestly question whether or not they could love one that would command them to do such horrible things. [/color] [color=sienna]Only morons and lunatics could think that butchering people is not an atrocity. And only a liar would claim that God has personally told them that 1 Samuel 15:2-3 speaks truthfully of Him. Thus, the only excuse a sane sound minded person can offer for not questioning what 1 Samuel 15:2-3 says of God, is that they are fearful of questioning what the Bible claims, which is the evidence of their bondage to an unrighteous fear of God.[/color] [color=sienna]Yet not everyone that claims to believe what 1 Samuel 15:2-3 says of God does so out of an unrighteous fear of God, but believe it because it agrees with their spiritual nature. Their spiritual nature is different than those who if Moses commanded them to stone another would seek a small pebble and hoped it caused no harm; for they would seek a large rock and be happy for the harm it would cause. Much is revealed about the spirituality and mentality of those who try to rationalize the butchery of people in 1 Samuel 15:2-3. For they argue that those who were ripping terrified children from their mother's arms and bashing their brains out were righteous before God because God commanded this slaughter. Regardless of how one tries to justify 1 Samuel 15:2-3, there is no nice way to butcher people. Trying to put a happy face on the vile deeds of 1 Samuel 15:2-3 requires the same kind of twisted thinking that Islamic terrorists are using today in Iraq to justify the evil that they do.[/color] Site pimping not allowed, but post left in tact in case anyone cares to debate ---PJ Last edited by pr0digal jenius; Dec 12, 2005 at 05:36 PM.

Dec 24, 2005, 09:27 PM	#7
GutterPunk I = Greatest Dood Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Nebraska Posts: 5,949 Rep Power: 71	The old testament is way different from the new testament... You can find many 'atrocitise' as such in the old testament... as God was pretty cruel and didnt have much if any forgiveness. After God sent his Son Jesus to die for our sins to allow us to be forgiven, things changed. God was a fearful God in the old testament, and you can find a good share of things like such there... Edit: Took a look at that site, and started browsing... made me wonder what in the heck they were trying to do on it... but it will definitely get you if you are 'skeptical' I only glanced through some of the chapters and their lil' markings. It only made me laugh __________________ Rock On \m/ Thank you Mousey for the Sig! --------------- Intel Core2Duo E6660 (3.4GHZ) ~ Tuniq Tower 120 ~ Enermax Galaxy 1000W ~ Corsair Dominator @ 1090MHZ 5-5-5-15 (OCZ XTC Modded Cooler)~ EVGA 8800GTX W/ HR-03 Plus 120MM ~ Asus DVD-RW LiteScribe ~ LG DVD-RW ~ Corsair Voyager 2GB ReadyBoost Drive ~ Vantec Nexus Fan Controller ~ ThermalTake Armor 25CM fan ~ Personal Finance Blog: Dent Your Debt

Dec 25, 2005, 06:56 AM	#10
GutterPunk I = Greatest Dood Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Nebraska Posts: 5,949 Rep Power: 71	Biblically you aren't supposed to depict what Jesus looked like __________________ Rock On \m/ Thank you Mousey for the Sig! --------------- Intel Core2Duo E6660 (3.4GHZ) ~ Tuniq Tower 120 ~ Enermax Galaxy 1000W ~ Corsair Dominator @ 1090MHZ 5-5-5-15 (OCZ XTC Modded Cooler)~ EVGA 8800GTX W/ HR-03 Plus 120MM ~ Asus DVD-RW LiteScribe ~ LG DVD-RW ~ Corsair Voyager 2GB ReadyBoost Drive ~ Vantec Nexus Fan Controller ~ ThermalTake Armor 25CM fan ~ Personal Finance Blog: Dent Your Debt

Jan 11, 2006, 12:49 AM	#14
merlinxi The Paranoid Cook Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 655 Rep Power: 0	So you want to participate in holidays that are based off of fornication , sacrifice and killing and have nothing to do with God? okay be my guest. __________________ 700 Watt Toughpower Cable Management Power supply -- Asus P55 LE Motherboard -- Intel Core i7 860 2.8GHZ Quad Core -- 6Gb Dominator Ram DD3 8 Latency Timings -- Windows 7 64bit -- Gigabyte GTX470 Superclocked Video Card -- 1.5 TB Hard drive, 1TB hard drive, 250GB Hard drive, and a partridge in a pear tree.

Jan 11, 2006, 07:29 AM	#17
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Dec 12, 2005, 05:45 PM	#2
Nacht ein Krieger Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Clemson Uni Posts: 3,127 Rep Power: 0	Agreed 100%. I'm not sure if this is where you got it or not, but http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/ has a bunch of listings like this, where it can really make you think about the contradictions and absurdities in the bible. Of course, I do not use that site as a source for debate, because such a site obviously has an agenda, and therefore bias is unavoidable. But still, it makes you think.

Dec 12, 2005, 06:24 PM	Thread Starter #3
wlh DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0	What does the rune symbol on your shield mean to you?

Dec 13, 2005, 12:16 AM	#4
Nacht ein Krieger Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Clemson Uni Posts: 3,127 Rep Power: 0	It means alot of things. The fact that you thought to ask shows you might know a thing or two about it. This thread really isn't the place though.

Dec 24, 2005, 06:49 AM	#6
Nacht ein Krieger Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Clemson Uni Posts: 3,127 Rep Power: 0	No, its not necessarily a bad thing. It just so happens that it is used by other organizations as well that are less than wholesome

Dec 24, 2005, 09:29 PM	#8
merlinxi The Paranoid Cook Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 655 Rep Power: 0	I don't celebrate Holidays. None of the holidays are in the bible. Do reseach on the original of all these holidays to see what you indulge in, it's sick when you finally find out. __________________ 700 Watt Toughpower Cable Management Power supply -- Asus P55 LE Motherboard -- Intel Core i7 860 2.8GHZ Quad Core -- 6Gb Dominator Ram DD3 8 Latency Timings -- Windows 7 64bit -- Gigabyte GTX470 Superclocked Video Card -- 1.5 TB Hard drive, 1TB hard drive, 250GB Hard drive, and a partridge in a pear tree.

Dec 24, 2005, 10:49 PM	#9
Nacht ein Krieger Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Clemson Uni Posts: 3,127 Rep Power: 0	Most holidays in today's culture are actually amalgamations and mixtures of many different culture's traditions and beliefs. The different rituals usually associated with Christmas have originations in norse, germanic, and many other cultures. Easter is the same way. Basically, they were created to help ease the "uncivilized masses" into the invading Christian culture. That is why in many old northern European art, Jesus is shown as a Anglo male with blue eyes, and sometimes blonde hair. This was an attempt to help the locals relate to him, rather than if they showed a middle easterner from a completely different part of the world.

Jan 10, 2006, 09:07 PM	#13
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 0	But are you all forgetting your religion isn't maybe the right one and the only one? Todays holidays are the evolution of our time on earth as a society. They all exist for reasons whether you like em or not. I mean, christianity isn't necessarily right and neither is muslimism. Anyways, more nad more people are forgetting the true meaning of these holidays (Xmas anyone?) and since more and more people are multicultrural and brought up with more than one religion, nobody cares except the hardcore fanatics which are the ones making hell and war on this planet.

Jan 11, 2006, 09:17 AM	#18
merlinxi The Paranoid Cook Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 655 Rep Power: 0	I am not finished with the dishes. I need some Pledge to get the tough grease and grime off the dish! Your not fully clean until your zest fully clean!!! __________________ 700 Watt Toughpower Cable Management Power supply -- Asus P55 LE Motherboard -- Intel Core i7 860 2.8GHZ Quad Core -- 6Gb Dominator Ram DD3 8 Latency Timings -- Windows 7 64bit -- Gigabyte GTX470 Superclocked Video Card -- 1.5 TB Hard drive, 1TB hard drive, 250GB Hard drive, and a partridge in a pear tree.