Ageia PhysX?

Zardon · May 9, 2006, 11:00 AM

Vote and discuss !

Bart1987 · May 9, 2006, 11:22 AM

Im not interested in it. Unless they drastically lower the price of it.
It might be interesting for people who have a lot of cash.

bug77 · May 9, 2006, 11:39 AM

Wouldn't buy one ATM. Or anytime soon.
Sorry Ageia, that's not how you enter/create a market.

IvanV · May 9, 2006, 11:53 AM

Not interested. I've seen the comparison screenshots from GRAW and I really don't think think that it was something unseen. In my opinion they could have done it without the card, but they wanted it this way to promote it. I don't think it will become a necessity unless someone really decides to force it upon us. It's an expensive product that there is no need for, especially with CPUs going multicore soon.

mkk · May 9, 2006, 12:12 PM

Games need better physics programming rather than more raw calculating power. I also have a feeling that with physics cards or especially when offloading physics calculations onto the GPU it will be more about "eye candy physics", than physics affecting the gameplay.

Sandok · May 9, 2006, 03:30 PM

Not interested.... With dual core and all becoming of norm, this can be introduced in current PCs.

The_Neon_Cowboy · May 9, 2006, 08:27 PM

@ $299 dallors retail I don't think thier will be many takers. Surely kills the early rumors the cards would be about $149 this is is 200% of what was said. It's not cost effective considering ATI and nvidia both have thier own soultions. Both are better when u figure in for example spending that extra $300 on crossfire or SLI would benfit all games and get you thier PPU support. Even in non ppu suported games gain makes more since....

Agia's soultion no longer makes since unless you have $300 to burn

Dark Lord · May 9, 2006, 08:38 PM

so far im not impressed by whats been shown.

now down the road some day when more developers start useing it, and start getting really serious about physics, then maybe the card will become useful.

nicnik · May 9, 2006, 09:31 PM

after reading all the reviews i will not be getting one unless a big title shows up and demands the need of the card. (unreal 2k7??)

Zelig · May 9, 2006, 09:37 PM

I'm not interested. I don't play enough games to justify it, and currently do fine with a $200 video card every couple of years.

Erroneus · May 9, 2006, 09:57 PM

ALOT more games are needed and these games need to use effects like i cellfactor, the ones in GRAW wasn't that impressive. Also it's quite dissapointing to se fps loss when using the PhysX card.

Yeah I'm waiting to see what Nvidia an ATI delivers.

~~Alien1~~ · May 9, 2006, 10:59 PM

I am waiting to see what Nvidia and Ati has to offer

I am not really interested right now especially with the current PPI sollutions
I am not impressed

Lowfat · May 9, 2006, 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IvanV

Not interested. I've seen the comparison screenshots from GRAW and I really don't think think that it was something unseen. In my opinion they could have done it without the card, but they wanted it this way to promote it. I don't think it will become a necessity unless someone really decides to force it upon us. It's an expensive product that there is no need for, especially with CPUs going multicore soon.

couldn't say it better myself.

CDsDontBurn · May 9, 2006, 11:56 PM

i'm with the bandwagon

Richie-b · May 10, 2006, 12:32 AM

Not interested in this by a long shot. Another excuse to to add more clutter to the inside of a case when current solutions can more than manage the job.

mainman · May 10, 2006, 12:43 AM

Useless. If havoc introduces a multicore physics engine that takes advantage of current multicore cpu's i dont see much use for this piece of silicon. really not worth it in my opinion.

BWX · May 10, 2006, 01:00 AM

I am waiting to see what other games come out and how they perform and how they benefit form the technology..

Therefore I didn't vote- none of the answers are accurate.

hey mainman.. how did you get such a big sig picture? I thought it was a 150 pixel limit?

Vikingod · May 10, 2006, 04:18 AM

I love the idea of realistic physics more than I do of realistic graphics. I don't think Agiea went about it the right way however and that the competition will beat them out if their solutions fit the bill. Ageia will also have a tough time when MS gets this built into Direct X. Wont be buying a card, but maybe another 7800 gtx if the nv solution is promising.

pigdog · May 10, 2006, 09:51 AM

I'll wait and see as well. I'ts good to see someone other than the usual suspects developing something though.

Sometimes I think that nVidia and ATI are more concerned with beating each other for bragging rights rather than looking for truly innovative concepts.

The biggest problem seems to be that not enough game developers are onboard to get it going.

Duranix · May 10, 2006, 10:56 AM

Seems as if you guys haven't seen the Cellfactor vids. (Same on you!

)

Google em

ViRuS2k · May 10, 2006, 03:21 PM

I see there is 21 deluded people that think its wonderfull ROTF....., probably becuse they forked out so much for it they dont want to see the reality in what they just did..
at the moment im waiting to see what nvidia or ati get on becuse at the moment its a frames killing card lol

Falstaff · May 10, 2006, 06:16 PM

buyers remorse..

Judas · May 10, 2006, 06:53 PM

atm, not impressed with current results.... lack of support... yet another card drawing more power... and more things to go wrong.

specially when it appears that with the card in.. the games supporting it default to high quality mode... which.. doesn't allow you to scale it back...

BWX · May 10, 2006, 06:55 PM

I don't think we can say yet that those people who bought one got ripped off or are deluded somehow... It is way too early.
Come back to this thread in one year, then we will be able to say if this "physics card thing" is a passing fad or something that is going to be worth while.

It's just way to early to say right now.

mike2h · May 10, 2006, 07:06 PM

mgiht consider it in 4-6 months. assuming they come out with rev2 at $200 or less proce & actually have some true significant support.
also wished they would come out with a pcie vers. somebody needs to stsrt makinguse of those slots.
bty, do pcie slots use irqs the same way the pci system does?

Judas · May 10, 2006, 07:12 PM

not saying it's a fad at all.. i actually consider it'll have great value... dedicated hardware physics processing is no different then dedicated sound or dedicated video.

Just right now, it's not always wise to get the new stuff, wait 3 generations (so another year and a half? )

Quarter · May 10, 2006, 11:28 PM

Maybe someday, but not today.

Rox271 · May 11, 2006, 12:02 AM

Very controversial. None of the proposed answers to the question is valid for me.
I already have one: No
Im thinking about adding one to my system: May be not. I'm still not convinced that we need a specific part for Physics. The CPU is good at doing floating point calculations. Though I understand very well that a specific DSP is required for pixel shaders or sound effects, the need for a specific physics is not that obvious, especially now that we move to multi core processors! It is a matter of concept.
Im waiting to see what ATi and Nvidia come up with: No. Why a graphic card designer should be good at designing PhysiX cards?
I have no interest in this at all: No. I'm interested in having more and more physic in game engines. There is much more than collisions, friction and gravity to support. The amount of features is infinite. How about fluids, magnetic fields, sand material etc... Does this mean the PhysiX card will need to be upgraded everytime a new aspect of the physic is included?

I would currently think that multicore + software libraries are adequate solutions.

mainman · May 11, 2006, 01:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWX

I am waiting to see what other games come out and how they perform and how they benefit form the technology..

Therefore I didn't vote- none of the answers are accurate.

hey mainman.. how did you get such a big sig picture? I thought it was a 150 pixel limit?

Cuz i have huge haxxxorxzz skillxz??

GeneralClaymore · May 11, 2006, 03:22 PM

I be getting one once the price drops, the new beta drivers shows that they still need to fix up there drivers. Because the beta drivers kept the fps the same as it is with it off on single cards.

They may work on making it work better with dual cards.Plus then it just GRAW , other games will take good use of it in the future.

May 9, 2006, 11:00 AM	#1
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	Ageia PhysX? Vote and discuss !

May 9, 2006, 11:53 AM	#4
IvanV HH Assassin Guild Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 5,921 Rep Power: 336 System Specs	Not interested. I've seen the comparison screenshots from GRAW and I really don't think think that it was something unseen. In my opinion they could have done it without the card, but they wanted it this way to promote it. I don't think it will become a necessity unless someone really decides to force it upon us. It's an expensive product that there is no need for, especially with CPUs going multicore soon. __________________ If anyone has Portal 2 and hasn't played the co-op and wants to do me a favour, let me know (PM me or whatever).

May 9, 2006, 08:27 PM	#7
The_Neon_Cowboy HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 16,009 Rep Power: 92 System Specs	@ $299 dallors retail I don't think thier will be many takers. Surely kills the early rumors the cards would be about $149 this is is 200% of what was said. It's not cost effective considering ATI and nvidia both have thier own soultions. Both are better when u figure in for example spending that extra $300 on crossfire or SLI would benfit all games and get you thier PPU support. Even in non ppu suported games gain makes more since.... Agia's soultion no longer makes since unless you have $300 to burn __________________ Last edited by The_Neon_Cowboy; May 16, 2006 at 04:55 AM.

May 9, 2006, 08:38 PM	#8
Dark Lord HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 5,945 Rep Power: 125 System Specs	so far im not impressed by whats been shown. now down the road some day when more developers start useing it, and start getting really serious about physics, then maybe the card will become useful. __________________

May 9, 2006, 09:31 PM	#9
nicnik In the Land of Snow Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: London, UK Posts: 569 Rep Power: 46 System Specs	after reading all the reviews i will not be getting one unless a big title shows up and demands the need of the card. (unreal 2k7??) __________________ Follow Me on Twitter Battlefield 3 \| youtube \| TwitchTV

May 9, 2006, 11:22 AM	#2
Bart1987 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 634 Rep Power: 0	Im not interested in it. Unless they drastically lower the price of it. It might be interesting for people who have a lot of cash.

May 9, 2006, 11:39 AM	#3
bug77 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: around Posts: 792 Rep Power: 0	Wouldn't buy one ATM. Or anytime soon. Sorry Ageia, that's not how you enter/create a market.

May 9, 2006, 12:12 PM	#5
mkk Cthulhu/Dagon 2012 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Gefle, Sweden Posts: 4,495 Rep Power: 132 System Specs	Games need better physics programming rather than more raw calculating power. I also have a feeling that with physics cards or especially when offloading physics calculations onto the GPU it will be more about "eye candy physics", than physics affecting the gameplay.

May 9, 2006, 03:30 PM	#6
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 0	Not interested.... With dual core and all becoming of norm, this can be introduced in current PCs.

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Zelig HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 3,187 Rep Power: 71 System Specs	I'm not interested. I don't play enough games to justify it, and currently do fine with a $200 video card every couple of years. __________________ --

May 9, 2006, 09:57 PM	#11
Erroneus Get off my lawn! Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Denmark Posts: 13,419 Rep Power: 119 System Specs	ALOT more games are needed and these games need to use effects like i cellfactor, the ones in GRAW wasn't that impressive. Also it's quite dissapointing to se fps loss when using the PhysX card. Yeah I'm waiting to see what Nvidia an ATI delivers. __________________

May 9, 2006, 10:59 PM	#12
~~Alien1~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Europe Posts: 365 Rep Power: 0	I am waiting to see what Nvidia and Ati has to offer I am not really interested right now especially with the current PPI sollutions I am not impressed

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CDsDontBurn Lurking DriverHeaven Join Date: May 2003 Location: Southern California Posts: 22,805 Rep Power: 235 System Specs	i'm with the bandwagon __________________ Her First Day \| A year later

May 10, 2006, 12:32 AM	#15
Richie-b In the corner Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: In the corner Posts: 106 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Not interested in this by a long shot. Another excuse to to add more clutter to the inside of a case when current solutions can more than manage the job.

May 10, 2006, 12:43 AM	#16
mainman Mr. Nobody Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: OmniPresent Nightwatcher Posts: 5,961 Rep Power: 71	Useless. If havoc introduces a multicore physics engine that takes advantage of current multicore cpu's i dont see much use for this piece of silicon. really not worth it in my opinion. __________________

May 10, 2006, 01:00 AM	#17
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,669 Rep Power: 110 System Specs	I am waiting to see what other games come out and how they perform and how they benefit form the technology.. Therefore I didn't vote- none of the answers are accurate. hey mainman.. how did you get such a big sig picture? I thought it was a 150 pixel limit? __________________ Last edited by BWX; May 10, 2006 at 01:15 AM.

May 10, 2006, 04:18 AM	#18
Vikingod Int'l Fish Liaison Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: By the light of lamp I sit and type... Posts: 16,197 Rep Power: 112 System Specs	I love the idea of realistic physics more than I do of realistic graphics. I don't think Agiea went about it the right way however and that the competition will beat them out if their solutions fit the bill. Ageia will also have a tough time when MS gets this built into Direct X. Wont be buying a card, but maybe another 7800 gtx if the nv solution is promising.

May 10, 2006, 09:51 AM	#19
pigdog HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 471 Rep Power: 57 System Specs	I'll wait and see as well. I'ts good to see someone other than the usual suspects developing something though. Sometimes I think that nVidia and ATI are more concerned with beating each other for bragging rights rather than looking for truly innovative concepts. The biggest problem seems to be that not enough game developers are onboard to get it going. __________________

May 10, 2006, 10:56 AM	#20
Duranix DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 614 Rep Power: 0	Seems as if you guys haven't seen the Cellfactor vids. (Same on you! ) Google em __________________

May 10, 2006, 03:21 PM	#21
ViRuS2k HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Uk Posts: 8,334 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	I see there is 21 deluded people that think its wonderfull ROTF....., probably becuse they forked out so much for it they dont want to see the reality in what they just did.. at the moment im waiting to see what nvidia or ati get on becuse at the moment its a frames killing card lol

May 10, 2006, 06:16 PM	#22
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	buyers remorse.. __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

May 10, 2006, 06:55 PM	#24
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,669 Rep Power: 110 System Specs	I don't think we can say yet that those people who bought one got ripped off or are deluded somehow... It is way too early. Come back to this thread in one year, then we will be able to say if this "physics card thing" is a passing fad or something that is going to be worth while. It's just way to early to say right now. __________________

May 10, 2006, 07:06 PM	#25
mike2h DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: norcal Posts: 6,483 Rep Power: 91 System Specs	mgiht consider it in 4-6 months. assuming they come out with rev2 at $200 or less proce & actually have some true significant support. also wished they would come out with a pcie vers. somebody needs to stsrt makinguse of those slots. bty, do pcie slots use irqs the same way the pci system does? __________________

May 10, 2006, 11:28 PM	#27
Quarter DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: CA / USA Posts: 28 Rep Power: 0	Maybe someday, but not today.

May 11, 2006, 12:02 AM	#28
Rox271 DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Here Posts: 251 Rep Power: 0	Very controversial. None of the proposed answers to the question is valid for me. I already have one: No Im thinking about adding one to my system: May be not. I'm still not convinced that we need a specific part for Physics. The CPU is good at doing floating point calculations. Though I understand very well that a specific DSP is required for pixel shaders or sound effects, the need for a specific physics is not that obvious, especially now that we move to multi core processors! It is a matter of concept. Im waiting to see what ATi and Nvidia come up with: No. Why a graphic card designer should be good at designing PhysiX cards? I have no interest in this at all: No. I'm interested in having more and more physic in game engines. There is much more than collisions, friction and gravity to support. The amount of features is infinite. How about fluids, magnetic fields, sand material etc... Does this mean the PhysiX card will need to be upgraded everytime a new aspect of the physic is included? I would currently think that multicore + software libraries are adequate solutions.

May 11, 2006, 03:22 PM	#30
GeneralClaymore HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: MI Posts: 434 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	I be getting one once the price drops, the new beta drivers shows that they still need to fix up there drivers. Because the beta drivers kept the fps the same as it is with it off on single cards. They may work on making it work better with dual cards.Plus then it just GRAW , other games will take good use of it in the future. __________________ Source: x-fi titanium hd 2x LT1124ACN+ 2x LT1115 > Matrix M-Stage V2 /w 2x LME49710NA> DT880 pro 250ohm