PSP or DS?

Zardon · Jul 18, 2006, 10:32 AM

Which do you rate

higher?

Asmoday · Jul 18, 2006, 12:49 PM

To be completly honest..."I don't care for either"..

BWX · Jul 18, 2006, 01:47 PM

I dont care for either

ACB · Jul 18, 2006, 05:25 PM

[color=purple]I dont care for either[/color]

**MIG-31** · Jul 18, 2006, 05:33 PM

Same as the first 3 replies i'm afraid

Zelig · Jul 18, 2006, 06:42 PM

Same here, I've never had any consoles or portables, and don't see any real point in starting now.

Interesting that all the replies so far have been for not caring for either, but that it is by far the least popular poll choice.

Judas · Jul 18, 2006, 06:44 PM

for what i use either device for, i personally find the overall gameplay and games in general 10 fold better on the DS then the PSP. Although the PSP has other fuctions, they don't count for what i use the devices for. Portable Gameplay.

**MIG-31** · Jul 18, 2006, 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zelig

Same here, I've never had any consoles or portables, and don't see any real point in starting now.

Interesting that all the replies so far have been for not caring for either, but that it is by far the least popular poll choice.

I for one always make a comment within a poll,unless it's one that i don't have any interest in.But the results at the time of this post is odd.

I for one was a hardcore console gamer right up to the sega dreamcast,after this i was introduced to the pc and this was the same point i lost interest in consoles.

Never tried any of the recent handheld devices such as the PSP or the DS so i can not give my opinions on these two.

Even though they do look good.Everyone to their own opinions which does make a good read.

dipstick · Jul 18, 2006, 07:58 PM

I've used both for quite some time and I have to say that the DS is better for two reasons. It has MUCH better games and its more comfortable to use(playing games on the psp that require use of the crap joystick is a real thumb killer). Like said, the PSP can do more but who wants to lug that thing around to watch movies or listen to music? I own neither atm but the new DS Lite(?) looks sweet

Erroneus · Jul 18, 2006, 10:58 PM

Haven't tried the DS, but got tired of the PSP after. 10 mins of gaming,, not my style.

technonerd · Jul 18, 2006, 11:32 PM

Played both from my friend, I think it's a waste of money :P

don't care for both.

YAYitsAndrew · Jul 18, 2006, 11:49 PM

I hate load times. DS wins.

CDsDontBurn · Jul 19, 2006, 12:11 AM

tried both, and that just pushed me more towards "don't care for either"

CDsDontBurn · Jul 19, 2006, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by YAYitsAndrew

I hate load times.

what about PC games then?

dipstick · Jul 19, 2006, 01:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CDsDontBurn

what about PC games then?

The only PC game that comes close to PSP load times is BF2

ozalon · Jul 19, 2006, 04:04 AM

i dont care for eather. really, i hate consules, handhelds or "biggies." some ppl might say its cheaper (which is like the only "pro" they've got) because you only have to buy one every 5 years or so, meening, which you can ALREADY observe with the 360, consules get outdated very fast. horrid graphics, vertually unmoddable... i know this isnt a "hate consules" thread, but im just listing my reasons for choosing my poll option

CDsDontBurn · Jul 19, 2006, 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dipstick

The only PC game that comes close to PSP load times is BF2

lol.....well put

.

but bf2 is worth it though right?

~~bobbytomorow~~ · Jul 19, 2006, 08:21 AM

PSP is far supperior in every way.

SFOSOK · Jul 19, 2006, 10:30 AM

I think the PSP is winning lol

EcPercy · Jul 19, 2006, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dipstick

The only PC game that comes close to PSP load times is BF2

LOL!! You are right to an extent, but I would not say BF2 load times. That's a little exaggerated. Anyway, the newer games are better optimized.

I voted PSP. I love it for games. I use some of it's other capabilities like mp3 and ripping my dvd's to the memory card. The best feature IMO is the screen. It just looks so pretty. I still think that when I play a game on it!

dipstick · Jul 19, 2006, 03:04 PM

haha, yea maybe not as bad as BF2 but some, like GTA, are pretty annoying. BF2 is definitely worth the wait

Zardon · Jul 19, 2006, 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EcPercy

I voted PSP. I love it for games. I use some of it's other capabilities like mp3 and ripping my dvd's to the memory card. The best feature IMO is the screen. It just looks so pretty. I still think that when I play a game on it!

I couldnt agree more. I have a PSP modded to the hilt (cant really discuss in detail on the site in public

) and have a double life battery pack strapped into it with a few 4 gig HDs. That new loco roco is one of the most addictive games ever ! I agree with you about the screen, if you get a good japanese screen with zero dead pixels (which I managed to do after a bit of work), it really is a great portable.

That said, I quite like the DS as well, although I dont own one ive used it quite a bit as my brother has one, its good too.

pigdog · Jul 19, 2006, 03:58 PM

Have had a short play with both, and all it did was re-enforce my passion for PC's.

mainman · Jul 20, 2006, 04:10 AM

Don't care, never did.

WhO_KnOwS · Jul 20, 2006, 12:18 PM

As a console I'd have to go with the PSP. It's media functionality and some great games make it a good choice.
As a HANDHELD console I'd vote for the DS though. The PSP simply doesn't have that much portable style games (LocoRoco and a few others don't count).
So if I am on a bus or sth I'll always take my DS with me. On the other hand, if I know I'll have more then 15min availible to play I take the PSP.

So naturally I voted "I like them both".

P.S.: Now if I could only get my hands on the DS Lite...

TheBlackCat · Jul 20, 2006, 02:18 PM

I have a real problem with the PSP as a portable media player. The PSP costs $250 US. On the othe hand, the DS lite costs $130. The Zen Vision M 30GB hard-drive based portable media player, capable of playing music, pictures, and a variety of movie formats (including mpeg, avi, wmv, DiVX, and XVid) is $300. If you buy a DS and Zen Vision M it will cost you $430 and will get you a great dedicated handheld and a great dedicated portable media player with a massive capacity. By comparison, the PSP, as I said, costs $250. However, it will not play movies, music, or pictures out-of-the-box. You need one or more Sony memory sticks to carry the data. A 4GB memory stick will cost you $220, totalling $470. So it will take you $40 more to get 4GB of movies and videos on a PSP than it will take you to get a DS and 30GB (7.5 times more) on the Zen Vision M. If you want 12GB it will cost you well over twice the combined cost of a DS and Zen Vision M. If you want to match the Zen Vision M it will cost you 4.5 times as much and involve 8 memory sticks. That is assuming you use 4GB memory sticks, if you use smaller memory sticks the price increases substantially. So any argument claiming the PSP's multimedia functionality really being a benefit does not stand up when you actually look at what you get for your money.

Since the DS has no multimedia functionality, people who want that must get a seperate unit. Therefore if you want to include multimedia and gaming the PSP is really competing with people getting the DS and a seperate multimedia player. It loses big-time to dedicated portable media players simply due to the extreme cost of memory if you only look at multimedia and ignore gaming.

Zardon · Jul 21, 2006, 10:00 AM

interesting comments however you can get a 4GB hard drive and 3600mha battery pack by Datel for the PSP for £70 via a power seller on ebay, although I agree with your comments on the PSP not really being a wonderful media player, I dont use it as a media player on any level and much prefer the Archos AV700 i have for movies and mass Mp3 storage (100 GB HD and 7 inch screen). The DS you can use as a multimedia player if you get 3rd party hardware addons - as far as I know veridian3 has a full unit for multimedia/video playback for his.

***Veridian3*** · Jul 21, 2006, 10:19 AM

Yeah, i have: http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/GBMREV/index.htm which allows movies and mp3's on the DS. Its best for animation but does a good job at real video too. Ideal for on the train etc but nowhere near as good as an archos. (I much prefer the DS games to the PSP btw)

One comment on the PSP for video, i find the screen to be way too dark in natural/bright light. For example its a real nightmare trying to watch Battlestar Galactica on the PSP because you cant make anything out... anything not brightly coloured suffers from this prob and that is the 1 reason i dont/wouldnt use a PSP for video.

In summary: DS and Archos seems the best combo to me.

Zardon · Jul 22, 2006, 10:29 PM

Dont know I agree with you on the games front at all tbh. I mean Grand theft auto liberty stories, luminies, Daxter, Syphon Filter, Tekken Dark Resurrection, World Soccer winning eleven, Toco Roco, mega Man, Gradius, Field Commander, Twisted Medtal, Tony Hawks, WWE Smackdown, Street Fighter Alpha 3 max, Lemmings, Outrun, Wipeout, Ridge Racer, Need for speed, all pretty much some of the best console games ive ever played and its not like the PS2 at 640x480 in blockovision. I love some of the DS games as well but I find the screens a bit on the tiny side, but I guess I just like good games, not a particular console.

TheBlackCat · Jul 23, 2006, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Zardon

all pretty much some of the best console games ive ever played and its not like the PS2 at 640x480 in blockovision.

I think that is exactly the problem. The PSP isn't a handheld gaming system, it is a portable console. A portable console with only one analog stick, a tiny screen with lower resolution, and a time limit due to its limited battery life. Many of its games are console ports or were later ported to consoles, and those that aren't could easily be played on a console (or even more easily be played on a console). Sony basically tried to make a portable PS2 (without the dual analog stick, rumble, or as many buttons), doing all the things they did with the PS2 that made it successful. However, this is the handheld market, not the console market. Things that work in the console market often do not in the handheld market. Every attempt so far to build a portable console has failed miserably. That is why Nintendo has never lost the handheld race, instead of doing what they did with their consoles and expecting that to automatically apply, they think about how the markets and the way the games are played differ an try to cater their designs of both system and games to those differences. Thus the DS is designed from the ground up to be a portable system, to do things that no console can do and to cater to the fundamental differences between console and handheld gameplay. It has a unique control scheme only a portable system could pull off. Most of its games are completely new, and those that aren't are heavily modified. Games seem largely set up to allow quick start-ups and variable play times.

Ultimately the main difference is that consoles are played at chosen times for chosen periods of time in front of a TV. Handheld games are played on a small screen on the go at often unexpected times and for durations the player has no control over. Handhelds have to be set up for that or they will fail.

Jul 18, 2006, 10:32 AM	#1
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	PSP or DS? Which do you rate higher?

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Asmoday Demonic Join Date: May 2002 Location: In the cold, dark north... Posts: 5,198 Rep Power: 92 System Specs	To be completly honest..."I don't care for either".. __________________ How You can help Hardwareheaven by using Digg

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BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,669 Rep Power: 110 System Specs	I dont care for either __________________

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ACB HardwareHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: sweden Posts: 6 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	[color=purple]I dont care for either[/color] Last edited by ACB; Jul 18, 2006 at 05:45 PM.

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MIG-31 HardwareHeaven News Mod Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Nottingham,UK Posts: 56,860 Rep Power: 471 System Specs	Same as the first 3 replies i'm afraid __________________ Please Post Your News Submissions Here

Jul 18, 2006, 06:42 PM	#6
Zelig HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 3,187 Rep Power: 71 System Specs	Same here, I've never had any consoles or portables, and don't see any real point in starting now. Interesting that all the replies so far have been for not caring for either, but that it is by far the least popular poll choice. __________________ --

Jul 18, 2006, 07:58 PM	#9
dipstick HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: USA Posts: 3,609 Rep Power: 71 System Specs	I've used both for quite some time and I have to say that the DS is better for two reasons. It has MUCH better games and its more comfortable to use(playing games on the psp that require use of the crap joystick is a real thumb killer). Like said, the PSP can do more but who wants to lug that thing around to watch movies or listen to music? I own neither atm but the new DS Lite(?) looks sweet

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Erroneus Get off my lawn! Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Denmark Posts: 13,419 Rep Power: 119 System Specs	Haven't tried the DS, but got tired of the PSP after. 10 mins of gaming,, not my style. __________________

Jul 18, 2006, 11:32 PM	#11
technonerd DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada Posts: 594 Rep Power: 0	Played both from my friend, I think it's a waste of money :P don't care for both.

Jul 18, 2006, 11:49 PM	#12
YAYitsAndrew Anti-Piracy Poster Boy Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 2,605 Rep Power: 79 System Specs	I hate load times. DS wins. __________________ "It is because the resistance to paying for copyrighted material, although often characterized as arising from a supposed technical burden or principled concern for the public interest, arises rather from exactly the same segment of the brain that is dominant in shoplifters." - Mark Helprin, Digital Barbarism In other words, it's never okay to steal even if you think you have a good reason! www.yayitsandrew.com

Jul 19, 2006, 12:11 AM	#13
CDsDontBurn Lurking DriverHeaven Join Date: May 2003 Location: Southern California Posts: 22,805 Rep Power: 235 System Specs	tried both, and that just pushed me more towards "don't care for either" __________________ Her First Day \| A year later

Jul 19, 2006, 04:04 AM	#16
ozalon DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Edmonton AB, Canada Posts: 32 Rep Power: 0	i dont care for eather. really, i hate consules, handhelds or "biggies." some ppl might say its cheaper (which is like the only "pro" they've got) because you only have to buy one every 5 years or so, meening, which you can ALREADY observe with the 360, consules get outdated very fast. horrid graphics, vertually unmoddable... i know this isnt a "hate consules" thread, but im just listing my reasons for choosing my poll option __________________ Hello! I'm a signature virus. Copy me into your signature to help me spread.

Jul 19, 2006, 08:21 AM	#18
~~bobbytomorow~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: vancouver Posts: 450 Rep Power: 0	PSP is far supperior in every way.

Jul 19, 2006, 10:30 AM	#19
SFOSOK 939 Goin Strong Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ontario Posts: 7,033 Rep Power: 90 System Specs	I think the PSP is winning lol __________________ Warning - Explicit Content Preceeding METAL!!

Jul 19, 2006, 03:04 PM	#21
dipstick HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: USA Posts: 3,609 Rep Power: 71 System Specs	haha, yea maybe not as bad as BF2 but some, like GTA, are pretty annoying. BF2 is definitely worth the wait

Jul 19, 2006, 03:58 PM	#23
pigdog HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 471 Rep Power: 57 System Specs	Have had a short play with both, and all it did was re-enforce my passion for PC's. __________________

Jul 20, 2006, 04:10 AM	#24
mainman Mr. Nobody Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: OmniPresent Nightwatcher Posts: 5,961 Rep Power: 71	Don't care, never did. __________________

Jul 20, 2006, 12:18 PM	#25
WhO_KnOwS The Knows Mister Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Slovenia, Europe Posts: 409 Rep Power: 0	As a console I'd have to go with the PSP. It's media functionality and some great games make it a good choice. As a HANDHELD console I'd vote for the DS though. The PSP simply doesn't have that much portable style games (LocoRoco and a few others don't count). So if I am on a bus or sth I'll always take my DS with me. On the other hand, if I know I'll have more then 15min availible to play I take the PSP. So naturally I voted "I like them both". P.S.: Now if I could only get my hands on the DS Lite... __________________ How you can help DriverHeaven by using Digg!

Jul 20, 2006, 02:18 PM	#26
TheBlackCat DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Searching for the Candle in the Dark Posts: 567 Rep Power: 0	I have a real problem with the PSP as a portable media player. The PSP costs $250 US. On the othe hand, the DS lite costs $130. The Zen Vision M 30GB hard-drive based portable media player, capable of playing music, pictures, and a variety of movie formats (including mpeg, avi, wmv, DiVX, and XVid) is $300. If you buy a DS and Zen Vision M it will cost you $430 and will get you a great dedicated handheld and a great dedicated portable media player with a massive capacity. By comparison, the PSP, as I said, costs $250. However, it will not play movies, music, or pictures out-of-the-box. You need one or more Sony memory sticks to carry the data. A 4GB memory stick will cost you $220, totalling $470. So it will take you $40 more to get 4GB of movies and videos on a PSP than it will take you to get a DS and 30GB (7.5 times more) on the Zen Vision M. If you want 12GB it will cost you well over twice the combined cost of a DS and Zen Vision M. If you want to match the Zen Vision M it will cost you 4.5 times as much and involve 8 memory sticks. That is assuming you use 4GB memory sticks, if you use smaller memory sticks the price increases substantially. So any argument claiming the PSP's multimedia functionality really being a benefit does not stand up when you actually look at what you get for your money. Since the DS has no multimedia functionality, people who want that must get a seperate unit. Therefore if you want to include multimedia and gaming the PSP is really competing with people getting the DS and a seperate multimedia player. It loses big-time to dedicated portable media players simply due to the extreme cost of memory if you only look at multimedia and ignore gaming. __________________ [color=#000000]There is always an easy solution to every human problem—neat, plausible and wrong.[/color] -H. L. Mencken Last edited by TheBlackCat; Jul 20, 2006 at 02:26 PM.

Jul 21, 2006, 10:00 AM	Thread Starter #27
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	interesting comments however you can get a 4GB hard drive and 3600mha battery pack by Datel for the PSP for £70 via a power seller on ebay, although I agree with your comments on the PSP not really being a wonderful media player, I dont use it as a media player on any level and much prefer the Archos AV700 i have for movies and mass Mp3 storage (100 GB HD and 7 inch screen). The DS you can use as a multimedia player if you get 3rd party hardware addons - as far as I know veridian3 has a full unit for multimedia/video playback for his.

Jul 21, 2006, 10:19 AM	#28
*Veridian3* Administrator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Cloaked Posts: 5,028 Rep Power: 182	Yeah, i have: http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/GBMREV/index.htm which allows movies and mp3's on the DS. Its best for animation but does a good job at real video too. Ideal for on the train etc but nowhere near as good as an archos. (I much prefer the DS games to the PSP btw) One comment on the PSP for video, i find the screen to be way too dark in natural/bright light. For example its a real nightmare trying to watch Battlestar Galactica on the PSP because you cant make anything out... anything not brightly coloured suffers from this prob and that is the 1 reason i dont/wouldnt use a PSP for video. In summary: DS and Archos seems the best combo to me.

Jul 22, 2006, 10:29 PM	Thread Starter #29
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	Dont know I agree with you on the games front at all tbh. I mean Grand theft auto liberty stories, luminies, Daxter, Syphon Filter, Tekken Dark Resurrection, World Soccer winning eleven, Toco Roco, mega Man, Gradius, Field Commander, Twisted Medtal, Tony Hawks, WWE Smackdown, Street Fighter Alpha 3 max, Lemmings, Outrun, Wipeout, Ridge Racer, Need for speed, all pretty much some of the best console games ive ever played and its not like the PS2 at 640x480 in blockovision. I love some of the DS games as well but I find the screens a bit on the tiny side, but I guess I just like good games, not a particular console.