Windows Vista

BWX · Sep 23, 2006, 04:38 AM

Bleh, its a hog, but ill probably HAVE to move to it ............. EVENTUALLY

Cannyone · Sep 23, 2006, 09:15 AM

I say "give it a year..." - by then the price should have dropped, many of the bugs will have been squashed, and there will be better driver support. Then again it will take me at least that long to save up for the new system to run it on. (New Conroe proc, 4GB of DDR2, whatever the R600 turns out to be with the 1000W P/S to support it.... I think you get the picture.)

~~bobbytomorow~~ · Sep 24, 2006, 05:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannyone

Then again it will take me at least that long to save up for the new system to run it on. (New Conroe proc, 4GB of DDR2, whatever the R600 turns out to be with the 1000W P/S to support it.... I think you get the picture.)

lol why do people say this? Its not exactly a system killer.

swimtech · Sep 24, 2006, 07:20 AM

It's different, and gorgeous...

I'm gonna jump on and ride it like a wild man from the get go with whatever time I can! It's the best way to learn I think...

Oh, wait, this thread was about Vista, sorry...

PangingJr · Sep 24, 2006, 07:33 AM

each to his/her own opinion. i personally think "Its shaping up well", and wouldn't disagree with any.

IamLakota · Sep 24, 2006, 12:21 PM

I'll wait for SP1 or 2,as it is now all I care about aregetting the rest of the piecies together to build my new C2D Machine.

FuNsTeR · Sep 24, 2006, 01:10 PM

like what is the point Windows Vista for someunknown reason will not install on my machine, even though the upgrade program said my machine was fine

Microsoft better get their fingers out their arse and fix the issues before i even consider buying windows Vista

Dyre Straits · Sep 24, 2006, 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FuNsTeR

like what is the point Windows Vista for someunknown reason will not install on my machine, even though the upgrade program said my machine was fine

Microsoft better get their fingers out their arse and fix the issues before i even consider buying windows Vista

Keep in mind that it's still in development.

But, more to the point: You haven't provided here anything that will help anyone help you. How did you go about attempting the installation? Are you positive that the ISO you burned to DVD isn't corrupted? Did you try installing on a different computer?

You need to provide a lot more information, please.

HawgsHead · Sep 24, 2006, 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannyone

I say "give it a year..." - by then the price should have dropped, many of the bugs will have been squashed, and there will be better driver support. Then again it will take me at least that long to save up for the new system to run it on. (New Conroe proc, 4GB of DDR2, whatever the R600 turns out to be with the 1000W P/S to support it.... I think you get the picture.)

What in the world are U running that needs 4GB of DDR2?

cadaveca · Sep 24, 2006, 11:21 PM

Install tip:

Make sure any Floppy Disk controllers are disabled in bios if a drive is not connected.

took me a while to figure this one out...since 5600 i removed my floppy drive and could not even get the 5600 disk to boot.

swimtech · Sep 25, 2006, 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PangingJr

each to his/her own opinion. i personally think "Its shaping up well", and wouldn't disagree with any.

No really, that's what I meant too, but I am gonna dig in and am excited about the fact that Microsoft is letting us try it for free until June of next year - nice way to get word of mouth going too. Looks like it's coming along...

About the 4 gig post - I'll let you know it seemed, for the short time I was running it before I deleted it, that it looked to run about the same as XP on my machine in the specs I have posted. At work, we've "standardized" on 2Gig as the spec for new machine purchases keeping Vista in mind - should be enough to do business with email, several browser windows, Java app, and .Net stuff running all at once. Specialized machines that process media should be the only ones needing more - and even then only to increase speed to a degree - it will work anyhow...

PangingJr · Sep 25, 2006, 05:16 AM

my above post was not direct to you, AFAIR, Swimtech.
anyway, i did understand what you mean when i read your post yesterday.

ChosenCaleb · Sep 25, 2006, 09:59 PM

I like vista's design. Looks really impressive.
But I think I will move to Vista one year later after its official release

.. Remember, when XP came in.. practically all games and apps was working horrible, or just not working

GeneralClaymore · Sep 26, 2006, 03:17 PM

yes I'll be getting the 64bit ver of vista. I used the beta To me it doing well. Plus I be doing the normal OS pgrade.I did play a few games when i was using my 7800gt before it died and they ran good.

Jitter · Sep 29, 2006, 10:43 PM

I dont know why people are going upgrade crazy for Vista. I just got RC1 and it runs fine for me, and I only have a p4 1.8, 1GB 2100 RAM, 9700pro AIW. In the performance tests from the OS i got a 4+ / 5 on everything but the processor which was rated at 2.8 . I know I am probably missing a few "pretty" features, but it runs alot better than I expected. I have an Audigy 2 ZS and i think the sounds quality is better then in XP right now. I have not tried any games yet, but installation of Vista, vid drivers, and sound drivers all went smooth. I am also dual booting it w/ XP and have not experienced any problems yet.

SoberTillNoon · Oct 2, 2006, 10:57 PM

This thing is fucking huge. But you know what? It operates quite smoothly. It could be because of my system specs but right now I am only using 1 gig of memory and that is with a 64 bit processor. Oh, and that is with two people logged in.

EcPercy · Oct 3, 2006, 02:25 PM

I will have it on a test machine and keep XP as my main OS for a bit. Once I build my next machine, I will move to Vista Ultimate 64-Bit.

I was planning on waiting for DX10 cards for Vista, but I can't see them pushing that standard for a good long while yet. I will probably just go with 2 7900 GTO/GTX cards in SLI.

Also, Live Anywhere will be Vista only. I am very interested in getting games that are available on both the 360 and PC so that I can play against my friends. (I don't have a 360). If you haven't seen this feature you should look at the Microsoft E3 2006 video. Near the last 30 minutes they show you Live Anywhere.

>GSXR<mrbusa · Oct 6, 2006, 01:59 PM

i will move to vista when the supported OS list on the back of the game is in this order...vista/?/?/?/

FuNsTeR · Oct 6, 2006, 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dyre Straits

Keep in mind that it's still in development.

But, more to the point: You haven't provided here anything that will help anyone help you. How did you go about attempting the installation? Are you positive that the ISO you burned to DVD isn't corrupted? Did you try installing on a different computer?

You need to provide a lot more information, please.

i have posted my problems with RC! in the vista section of DH i have tried installing from burned iso to dvd ... tried installing from the iso extracted to my hard drive ... it just does not like my machine

ViP3RH3LL · Oct 6, 2006, 08:40 PM

Vista is probably the most bungled OS ever made besides windows me.
I was reading about what people were saying about vista and I would have to agree. Vista will be a waste of money, WinXP will do the same as Vista only better cause it doesnt need some insane system requirements just to run the aeroglass. I read there are still 2400 bugs in vista and its already at RC2? Yeah well like most ms products they will rush closer to the touchdown line then drop the ball. I will be amazed the can ever come up with a os that doesnt need a prayer and so much luck you think you were in ww2 landing in germany hoping you dont get sniped when you land.

big_D · Oct 6, 2006, 09:24 PM

Well, I've just upgraded... To an iMac

Seems to offer most of what Vista is promising. Worried about future proofing and ever increasing bloat, I went for 2GB on my 24" version (screen is fantastic BTW). Now, after boot up, and automatically loading Firefox, Mail, Adium (MSN & ICQ chat client), iChat and Skype it barely uses 200MB of RAM. It is lightning quick as well.

On my test machine, Vista was a complete hog

With XGL 3D desktop on the test machine SUSE used under 170MB of RAM and was very quick (Athlon 2100+, 768MB), Vista on the other hand crawled - over 5 minutes to boot, over 1 minute to open Outlook, and around 15-20 seconds to select and view and email.

I switched off Aero pretty quickly. The transparency in KDE and OS X is very nice, the window/panel in the foreground is opaque and you can see what is happening behind it. With Vista, it makes everything in the "transparent" area look out of focus and blurred, this hurt my eyes after very few minutes, hence the reason I switched it off.

I can't see me replacing XP on my Windows machine any time soon. I rarely boot it up now, usually just for the odd session on Visio, although I have found a replacement for OS X, and MS Project...

Edit: The other thing to bear in mind when comparing Windows with OS X and Linux is that OS X, and to a lesser extent, is that they are getting faster. OS X 10.4 runs on 5 year old PowerPC Macs much faster than 10.1 through 10.3 did!

BWX · Oct 7, 2006, 06:48 AM

It's only saving grace is DX10... and the fact DX10 will not ever run on XP.

big_D · Oct 7, 2006, 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWX

It's only saving grace is DX10... and the fact DX10 will not ever run on XP.

As the only game I've played in the past year uses DirectX 6, that isn't much of an incentive... If the game ever gets updated (it's an online MMORPG), it might be an incentive to upgrade, but they are more likely to go to DX8 first...

ViP3RH3LL · Oct 7, 2006, 02:04 PM

You know what I find funny is that they say there releasing RC2 so they can make the highest quality product. If that were true they wouldnt be using some useless GUI features. Just keep the OS stable and let us secure our own OS. If you don't know how to find security books or forums on security, why bother going online, you need to think about hmm who will try to attack my PC today and then evolve that to: Everyone with a connection. The more paranoid you are, the safer you will browse the internet. The more you will try to find the best products to keep yourself secure. Cant be totally 100% secure, there always a way around everything. What we need is better encryption harddrive method for windows kernal files. Or try to make the kernel files invisible to outside sources so hackers or trojans or viruses couldnt see them, I guess encrption would do the same thing but there are methods around that too.

TheBlackCat · Oct 7, 2006, 06:23 PM

Really the only thing I find interesting about Vista is this "smart folder" technology. Does anybody know any software that can implement this in Windows XP? I know Microsoft Digital Image Suite can. Any other suggestions? I am considering just getting Digital Image Suite since it will make it a lot easier to get pictures on my Zen Vision M without needing Vista (Microsoft told me that picture keyword handling in WMP 11 was being saved for Vista).

Kringel · Oct 7, 2006, 07:01 PM

I'm already using (legal) Vista RC1 as I don't have a legit.copy of XP

Necrosis · Oct 8, 2006, 01:40 AM

I just installed it on my laptop. Not too bad, and my lappy doesn't have the balls to run Aero glass. However, it actually runs very well though disk operations seem to be unusually slow. I will say though it is rather annoying to find things you could easily /w Xp. For one the run command. Of course UAC is also an issue. I had to run an executable in admin mode, then tried to delete it. UAC had a freaking cow. Now if I'm set up as an admin, why can't I delete the file? Better yet do like what linux does, and let me enter a password to gain access to that level. Turning off UAC allowed me to finally delete it. It's honestly not too bad over all but it seems too dumbed down for me. Never mind it took me twenty minutes to figure out how to view file extensions & hidden files.

Zardon · Oct 8, 2006, 01:44 AM

Its getting better every build, however there are still aspects I dont like and cant yet customise. However im glad to see someone released a registry entry to remove all the horrible anti aliased fonts that microsoft felt everyone would love

- just because the os uses GFX power doesnt mean we need 7 point type with a fuzzy anti aliasing filter, like cleartype on steroids.

its performing better every time mind you. id say in a years time we might have a good OS - for now, dual boot only.

Zardon · Oct 8, 2006, 01:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWX

It's only saving grace is DX10... and the fact DX10 will not ever run on XP.

Well thats the loaded question isnt it? Who is to say that someone out there might not create a workaround or hack it to work on XP? After all the unbreakable Xbox 360 protection was broken as well as quite a few other things MS said cant be done.

I actually don't mind Vista however I dislike it for one reason. I know if MS wanted, DX10 could have ran on XP. Its a money making exercise.

Dragunov · Oct 8, 2006, 06:51 PM

Well they still need to improve UAC, but yeah new OS, new features, so DX10 is for Vista-only, no problem for me

I'm gonna buy Vista, it looks quite good to me, after I've read some reviews and such

Sep 24, 2006, 12:21 PM	#36
IamLakota HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Viriginia Posts: 552 Rep Power: 0	I'll wait for SP1 or 2,as it is now all I care about aregetting the rest of the piecies together to build my new C2D Machine. __________________ Harley Davidson: If You Have To Ask You Wouldn't Understand!!! System Specs: Mobo:Asus P6T Deluxe V2,intel i7 920,2x BFG GTX 250 oc in SLI,Corsair 6gigs tri channel pc12800CL8 2xWD Velociraptor's 2x74gig WD Raptor , X-Fi Fatal1ty Titainium,HANNS-G HG281HD 1080p 28" monitor,Coolermaster HAF/922,PC-PWR&Cooling Sliencer 750,CoolerMaster V8 HSF

Sep 24, 2006, 01:10 PM	#37
FuNsTeR Caledonian and Proud Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Darkest Ayrshire Posts: 1,268 Rep Power: 76 System Specs	like what is the point Windows Vista for someunknown reason will not install on my machine, even though the upgrade program said my machine was fine Microsoft better get their fingers out their arse and fix the issues before i even consider buying windows Vista __________________ "They say when you play a Microsoft CD backwards you can hear satanic messages ..... but that's nothing, if you play it forward it will install Windows"

Sep 26, 2006, 03:17 PM	#44
GeneralClaymore HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: MI Posts: 431 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	yes I'll be getting the 64bit ver of vista. I used the beta To me it doing well. Plus I be doing the normal OS pgrade.I did play a few games when i was using my 7800gt before it died and they ran good. __________________ Source: x-fi titanium hd 2x LME49720NA + 2x LME49710NA > Fiio E9(OPA2111AM)> DT880 pro 250ohm

Sep 29, 2006, 10:43 PM	#45
Jitter HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 533 Rep Power: 0	I dont know why people are going upgrade crazy for Vista. I just got RC1 and it runs fine for me, and I only have a p4 1.8, 1GB 2100 RAM, 9700pro AIW. In the performance tests from the OS i got a 4+ / 5 on everything but the processor which was rated at 2.8 . I know I am probably missing a few "pretty" features, but it runs alot better than I expected. I have an Audigy 2 ZS and i think the sounds quality is better then in XP right now. I have not tried any games yet, but installation of Vista, vid drivers, and sound drivers all went smooth. I am also dual booting it w/ XP and have not experienced any problems yet. __________________ Sony Vaio PCV-RX670 P4 1.8ghz XP Pro SP2 1 GB PC2100 RAM ATI All in Wonder 9700 pro Audigy 2 ZS Aquamark ~29,500 3dMark03 ~ 5,000

Oct 3, 2006, 02:25 PM	#47
EcPercy HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Iraq Posts: 1,535 Rep Power: 64	I will have it on a test machine and keep XP as my main OS for a bit. Once I build my next machine, I will move to Vista Ultimate 64-Bit. I was planning on waiting for DX10 cards for Vista, but I can't see them pushing that standard for a good long while yet. I will probably just go with 2 7900 GTO/GTX cards in SLI. Also, Live Anywhere will be Vista only. I am very interested in getting games that are available on both the 360 and PC so that I can play against my friends. (I don't have a 360). If you haven't seen this feature you should look at the Microsoft E3 2006 video. Near the last 30 minutes they show you Live Anywhere. Last edited by EcPercy; Oct 9, 2006 at 06:02 PM. Reason: Added information about Live Anywhere

Sep 23, 2006, 04:38 AM	#31
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,665 Rep Power: 109 System Specs	Bleh, its a hog, but ill probably HAVE to move to it ............. EVENTUALLY

Sep 23, 2006, 09:15 AM	#32
Cannyone HardwareHeaven Junior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Albuquerque NM Posts: 85 Rep Power: 38 System Specs	I say "give it a year..." - by then the price should have dropped, many of the bugs will have been squashed, and there will be better driver support. Then again it will take me at least that long to save up for the new system to run it on. (New Conroe proc, 4GB of DDR2, whatever the R600 turns out to be with the 1000W P/S to support it.... I think you get the picture.)

Sep 24, 2006, 07:20 AM	#34
swimtech HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: North Carolina Posts: 4,040 Rep Power: 122 System Specs	It's different, and gorgeous... I'm gonna jump on and ride it like a wild man from the get go with whatever time I can! It's the best way to learn I think... Oh, wait, this thread was about Vista, sorry...

Sep 24, 2006, 07:33 AM	#35
PangingJr Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,989 Rep Power: 69	each to his/her own opinion. i personally think "Its shaping up well", and wouldn't disagree with any.

Sep 24, 2006, 11:21 PM	#40
cadaveca DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Edmonton Posts: 75 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Install tip: Make sure any Floppy Disk controllers are disabled in bios if a drive is not connected. took me a while to figure this one out...since 5600 i removed my floppy drive and could not even get the 5600 disk to boot.

Sep 25, 2006, 05:16 AM	#42
PangingJr Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,989 Rep Power: 69	my above post was not direct to you, AFAIR, Swimtech. anyway, i did understand what you mean when i read your post yesterday.

Sep 25, 2006, 09:59 PM	#43
ChosenCaleb DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Lithuania Posts: 5 Rep Power: 0	I like vista's design. Looks really impressive. But I think I will move to Vista one year later after its official release .. Remember, when XP came in.. practically all games and apps was working horrible, or just not working

Oct 2, 2006, 10:57 PM	#46
SoberTillNoon DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Back and to the left Posts: 12 Rep Power: 0	This thing is fucking huge. But you know what? It operates quite smoothly. It could be because of my system specs but right now I am only using 1 gig of memory and that is with a 64 bit processor. Oh, and that is with two people logged in.

Oct 6, 2006, 01:59 PM	#48
>GSXR<mrbusa im a FREAK Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 2,107 Rep Power: 55 System Specs	i will move to vista when the supported OS list on the back of the game is in this order...vista/?/?/?/

Oct 6, 2006, 08:40 PM	#50
ViP3RH3LL DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: BF2142 Posts: 265 Rep Power: 0	Vista is probably the most bungled OS ever made besides windows me. I was reading about what people were saying about vista and I would have to agree. Vista will be a waste of money, WinXP will do the same as Vista only better cause it doesnt need some insane system requirements just to run the aeroglass. I read there are still 2400 bugs in vista and its already at RC2? Yeah well like most ms products they will rush closer to the touchdown line then drop the ball. I will be amazed the can ever come up with a os that doesnt need a prayer and so much luck you think you were in ww2 landing in germany hoping you dont get sniped when you land.

Oct 6, 2006, 09:24 PM	#51
big_D DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: München, Germany Posts: 58 Rep Power: 0	Well, I've just upgraded... To an iMac Seems to offer most of what Vista is promising. Worried about future proofing and ever increasing bloat, I went for 2GB on my 24" version (screen is fantastic BTW). Now, after boot up, and automatically loading Firefox, Mail, Adium (MSN & ICQ chat client), iChat and Skype it barely uses 200MB of RAM. It is lightning quick as well. On my test machine, Vista was a complete hog With XGL 3D desktop on the test machine SUSE used under 170MB of RAM and was very quick (Athlon 2100+, 768MB), Vista on the other hand crawled - over 5 minutes to boot, over 1 minute to open Outlook, and around 15-20 seconds to select and view and email. I switched off Aero pretty quickly. The transparency in KDE and OS X is very nice, the window/panel in the foreground is opaque and you can see what is happening behind it. With Vista, it makes everything in the "transparent" area look out of focus and blurred, this hurt my eyes after very few minutes, hence the reason I switched it off. I can't see me replacing XP on my Windows machine any time soon. I rarely boot it up now, usually just for the odd session on Visio, although I have found a replacement for OS X, and MS Project... Edit: The other thing to bear in mind when comparing Windows with OS X and Linux is that OS X, and to a lesser extent, is that they are getting faster. OS X 10.4 runs on 5 year old PowerPC Macs much faster than 10.1 through 10.3 did!

Oct 7, 2006, 06:48 AM	#52
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,665 Rep Power: 109 System Specs	It's only saving grace is DX10... and the fact DX10 will not ever run on XP.

Oct 7, 2006, 02:04 PM	#54
ViP3RH3LL DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: BF2142 Posts: 265 Rep Power: 0	You know what I find funny is that they say there releasing RC2 so they can make the highest quality product. If that were true they wouldnt be using some useless GUI features. Just keep the OS stable and let us secure our own OS. If you don't know how to find security books or forums on security, why bother going online, you need to think about hmm who will try to attack my PC today and then evolve that to: Everyone with a connection. The more paranoid you are, the safer you will browse the internet. The more you will try to find the best products to keep yourself secure. Cant be totally 100% secure, there always a way around everything. What we need is better encryption harddrive method for windows kernal files. Or try to make the kernel files invisible to outside sources so hackers or trojans or viruses couldnt see them, I guess encrption would do the same thing but there are methods around that too.

Oct 7, 2006, 06:23 PM	#55
TheBlackCat DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Searching for the Candle in the Dark Posts: 567 Rep Power: 0	Really the only thing I find interesting about Vista is this "smart folder" technology. Does anybody know any software that can implement this in Windows XP? I know Microsoft Digital Image Suite can. Any other suggestions? I am considering just getting Digital Image Suite since it will make it a lot easier to get pictures on my Zen Vision M without needing Vista (Microsoft told me that picture keyword handling in WMP 11 was being saved for Vista). __________________ [color=#000000]There is always an easy solution to every human problem—neat, plausible and wrong.[/color] -H. L. Mencken

Oct 7, 2006, 07:01 PM	#56
Kringel DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Wermelskirchen, NRW (Germany) Posts: 25 Rep Power: 0	I'm already using (legal) Vista RC1 as I don't have a legit.copy of XP

Oct 8, 2006, 01:40 AM	#57
Necrosis HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,838 Rep Power: 129 System Specs	I just installed it on my laptop. Not too bad, and my lappy doesn't have the balls to run Aero glass. However, it actually runs very well though disk operations seem to be unusually slow. I will say though it is rather annoying to find things you could easily /w Xp. For one the run command. Of course UAC is also an issue. I had to run an executable in admin mode, then tried to delete it. UAC had a freaking cow. Now if I'm set up as an admin, why can't I delete the file? Better yet do like what linux does, and let me enter a password to gain access to that level. Turning off UAC allowed me to finally delete it. It's honestly not too bad over all but it seems too dumbed down for me. Never mind it took me twenty minutes to figure out how to view file extensions & hidden files.

Oct 8, 2006, 01:44 AM	Thread Starter #58
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 177	Its getting better every build, however there are still aspects I dont like and cant yet customise. However im glad to see someone released a registry entry to remove all the horrible anti aliased fonts that microsoft felt everyone would love - just because the os uses GFX power doesnt mean we need 7 point type with a fuzzy anti aliasing filter, like cleartype on steroids. its performing better every time mind you. id say in a years time we might have a good OS - for now, dual boot only.

Oct 8, 2006, 06:51 PM	#60
Dragunov DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 316 Rep Power: 0	Well they still need to improve UAC, but yeah new OS, new features, so DX10 is for Vista-only, no problem for me I'm gonna buy Vista, it looks quite good to me, after I've read some reviews and such __________________ - Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 + Zalman 9700 LED - MSI P6N (Nvidia 680i chipset), BIOS: P33 - 2GB DDR2 ram Corsair Dominator 1066Mhz - MSI Geforce 8800GTS 640MB - Creative X-Fi Elite Pro - Seagate 320GB 7200/10 - WD Caviar 750GB - Logitech MX-518 - Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit NL