Who do you feel has had the more successful GFX Vista Driver Launch?

Zardon · Mar 2, 2007, 11:28 PM

Discuss

Judas · Mar 2, 2007, 11:55 PM

well it ain't creative

**temeteus82** · Mar 2, 2007, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Judas

well it ain't creative

Ditto that!!!!!!

clicker666 · Mar 3, 2007, 12:18 AM

Sadly, I'd have to say Realtek!

LordLink · Mar 3, 2007, 12:22 AM

Obviously ATI, Nvidia still having some problems that will probably be resolved very soon with the new driver release

CDsDontBurn · Mar 3, 2007, 12:28 AM

i say NVIDIA....but i might be biased about that

Lelisevis · Mar 3, 2007, 12:42 AM

I've gone Nvidia though it's kind of unfair. Nvidia have had to incorporate a whole new level of DirectX into there drivers, ATI still has all that fun to come (if they ever manage to get a card on the market).
Plus despite all the negative press and bashing Nvidia have been getting I haven't experienced a single issue with a game and haven't been back to XP since launch day. My ATI card on the other hand wouldnt even get past the title menu's on Battle for middle earth and HL2 was also so corrupt it was unplayable.

The_Neon_Cowboy · Mar 3, 2007, 12:55 AM

OMG!@!!! some people actually voted Nvidia

Come on neither ATI nor nvidia's went off with out any minor hitches. Some issues
are the OS, some are that people need to learn how to use the compatibility modes
of vista. Or the games...But there are many people that are VERY displeased about
the poor nvidia drivers, lack of sli support etc. ATI was way ahead (months) even
before the OS was out so no doubt their driver was in a more ready state.. hence they
(ati) had a better launch hands down...

guess some missed the bad press about the state of their drivers? even the guy that was
trying to get a group together to sue them? Due to their drivers in vista! Sure they now
released better drivers "after the fact" but that makes it "after launch" and null here...

Lelisevis · Mar 3, 2007, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by The_Neon_Cowboy

OMG!@!!! some people actually voted Nvidia

Come on neither ATI nor nvidia's went off with out any minor hitches. Some issues
are the OS, some are that people need to learn how to use the compatibility modes
of vista. Or the games...But there are many people that are VERY displeased about
the poor nvidia drivers, lack of sli support etc. ATI was way ahead (months) even
before the OS was out so no doubt their driver was in a more ready state.. hence they
(ati) had a better launch hands down...

guess some missed the bad press ab pout the state of their drivers? even the guy that was
trying to get a group together to sue them? Due to their drivers in vista! Sure they now
released better drivers "after the fact" but that makes it "after launch" and null here...

Ok I'm speaking as a USER of both sets of drivers not someone who scours forums looking for bad press or listens to net rumour.
Pre-release catalysts were abysmal and 6.1's caused multiple lock-ups in games for me. I still can't play BFME without corruption on an ATI card, the tower at the start menu is bright purple.
Nvidia although far from perfect are trying to provide workable drivers for a much broader range of hardware and configurations, obviously it's going to take time. What I will say in there defence is that they appear to be working a lot harder to fix things with 2 to 3 releases a month as kinks are worked out. Im willing to bet if we ever see these mythical DX10 cards from AMD it'll be the one set a month like it or lump it.

Necrosis · Mar 3, 2007, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Lelisevis

Ok I'm speaking as a USER of both sets of drivers not someone who scours forums looking for bad press or listens to net rumour.
Pre-release catalysts were abysmal and 6.1's caused multiple lock-ups in games for me. I still can't play BFME without corruption on an ATI card, the tower at the start menu is bright purple.
Nvidia although far from perfect are trying to provide workable drivers for a much broader range of hardware and configurations, obviously it's going to take time. What I will say in there defence is that they appear to be working a lot harder to fix things with 2 to 3 releases a month as kinks are worked out. Im willing to bet if we ever see these mythical DX10 cards from AMD it'll be the one set a month like it or lump it.

1 users opinion yes. There are quite for more folks out there experiencing more issues w/ Nvidia's drivers than ATIs.

Vikingod · Mar 3, 2007, 03:02 AM

Not much to discuss. The benchmarks say everything. ATI delivered exactly what they said, "Vista Ready" ment exactly what is implies. Nvidia totally dropped the ball, here it is a month and a half after Vista's launch and still every driver they have is Beta at best, IMO. Not only have they ignored the Vista adopters, but there hasn't even been an XP driver since November! I wonder what they hell their driver department does all day, but I can guarantee they don't work, at least not as efficiently as the ATI folks (thanks to Terry, no doubt) If NV doesn't get their shit together and soon, I won't even consider purchasing another card from them.

SFOSOK · Mar 3, 2007, 04:55 AM

ATI is lagging behind like they were last year. Maybe driver support is better but 8800 destroys anything ATI has right now.

O my bad, this was about driver support.

I guess ATI though I'm only going by what I heard because I don't have vista or ATI.

OmegaRED · Mar 3, 2007, 05:53 AM

Anyone that votes Nvidia is a blind fanboy. Their Vista launch has been nothing less than a disaster.

The_Neon_Cowboy · Mar 3, 2007, 06:29 AM

SFOSOK:
Only 1 of two players showed thier hand. Can't call the game untill all the cards
are on the table. But mind you the new nv line is useing a path of idea's / tech,
1st introduced in the xbox 360 . Now with AMD's full resources behind them we
could very well be suprized.

Lelisevis:
With NV the beta's are always been a plenty. doesn't show any additional effort
or lack there of for that matter. How would nvidia be trying trying to provide drivers
for any broader range of hardware and configurations then ATI is?

truth is even when vista was public beta ATI offered full support when NV was
announcing support in a "future" driver month(s) down the line. So it no supprise
thier (ATI) is doing better in that dept.

No need to "scour the forums looking for bad press or net rumor" as you say. I guess
you missed the front page news articles. Websites erected by users having issues like
http://www.nvidiaclassaction.org/ .

ronnn · Mar 3, 2007, 09:53 PM

I couldn't vote, as it seems to me that neither has had a great time with drivers. Maybe the problem is with ms? So lets have both have had problems choice.

normr · Mar 4, 2007, 04:48 PM

The Nvidia launch may be a disaster but they seem to be learning some valuable customer relations lessons.

The same cannot be said for Logitech.

Falstaff · Mar 4, 2007, 08:49 PM

which one is more compatible with VISTA? hmmmmmmm

means96 · Mar 4, 2007, 10:39 PM

due to the fact that we are talking about DX10 driver verse a DX9 driver i think this vote is improper. We are compairing ATI's updated DX9 driver to NVIDEA's first ever DX10 driver. Not right or proper in my books - this should happen after ATI comes out with a DX10 driver and card then you can really compair aples to aples.

Jack

ronnn · Mar 4, 2007, 10:41 PM

Are there any dx10 apps to try these drivers on?

means96 · Mar 4, 2007, 11:52 PM

From what I have read there are a couple programs and many on the horizon that will be DX10 capable but I have also read that the main problem is with DX10 attempting to run DX9 applications using DX10 mode since the 8800 platform is capable of DX10. I think this would certainly cause issues but I am certainly not an expert therefore rely on what I read and experience. My 8800 does outperform my saphyre 1950 in both benchmarks and I think quality on my 22 inch display but that is using XP - I wont migrate to Vista until this issue is resolved - hopefully soon.

Jack

means96 · Mar 5, 2007, 12:11 AM

Flight sim X is DX10 I think

Company of Heroes will have a DX 10 update in the coming months

Halo 2 will also use some DX 10 features

DX 9 and DX 10 screenshot comparison of Age of Conan.
[COLOR=#0000ff]http://www.gamespot.com/features/6164940/index.html[/COLOR]

Crysis coming out mid 07

onefistedboxer · Mar 5, 2007, 05:09 PM

I dont see the contest, ati hasn't even got anything dx10 compatible so how can they claim to be fully vista compliant.

its one thing to update old drivers to work with a new os but nvidias had to craft new drivers to work with a new direct x version - a much bigger task.

Necrosis · Mar 5, 2007, 06:47 PM

Note: The issues are also w/ the 7xxx/6xxx series so the statement being it's because of DX10 w/ the 8xxx is invalid. If the only problems were on the 8xxx hardware that it would be a different issue.

Lelisevis · Mar 5, 2007, 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Necrosis

Note: The issues are also w/ the 7xxx/6xxx series so the statement being it's because of DX10 w/ the 8xxx is invalid. If the only problems were on the 8xxx hardware that it would be a different issue.

Yep I think people are aware of that Necrosis buddy, I think the point people are trying to make is ATI are having just as many issues without the added stress of an extra layer of hardware to code for. I love the red team but they haven't done a lot to endear them to the public in recent months. Hopefully that'll all be resolved with the release of the new hardware but they aren't inspiring confidence. It's purely speculation but I think all of the delays are due to them under-estimating the strength of the 8800 architecture. It seems everytime they get close to a release a rumour slips out from the Green camp and mysteriously things drop back again. With the discovery of an Ultra rated 8800 card and the announcement of the next series being pretty much ready to launch it wouldnt surprise me in the least to see the inquirer and other trash sites getting hold of ATI delay rumours again.

dipstick · Mar 5, 2007, 08:55 PM

I jumped on Vista the day it was released and I have to say the experience has been far better than I ever expected. I have no idea what is happening on the ATi front or with SLI but running a single 8800 in Vista has been great. I have never seen a BSOD or any game crashes and in fact I prefer gaming on Vista even if my max fps have taken a hit due to how smooth the OS is. I have well over 20 games installed and played and my Vista reliability index is at 9.26! Good stuff indeed

Necrosis · Mar 5, 2007, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Lelisevis

Yep I think people are aware of that Necrosis buddy, I think the point people are trying to make is ATI are having just as many issues without the added stress of an extra layer of hardware to code for. I love the red team but they haven't done a lot to endear them to the public in recent months. Hopefully that'll all be resolved with the release of the new hardware but they aren't inspiring confidence. It's purely speculation but I think all of the delays are due to them under-estimating the strength of the 8800 architecture. It seems everytime they get close to a release a rumour slips out from the Green camp and mysteriously things drop back again. With the discovery of an Ultra rated 8800 card and the announcement of the next series being pretty much ready to launch it wouldnt surprise me in the least to see the inquirer and other trash sites getting hold of ATI delay rumours again.

Or it could be they can't get the drivers right on their new DX10 hardware? I'm sitting on the wall waiting for the Nvidia issues to be ironed out so I can pickup up a 8800 board. I'm not too happy w/ the power requirements on the new ATI hardware. Besides when is the last time ATI really launched some thing on time? It seems when it’s something new it takes them forever to get it out.

HawgsHead · Mar 5, 2007, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by CDsDontBurn

i say NVIDIA....but i might be biased about that

...agrees with CD's.But what should I say? I am the resident nVIDIA fanboy!

Erroneus · Mar 6, 2007, 12:47 AM

Not only Nvidia gfx vista drivers are a disaster, also their drivers for chipsets are a trainwreck. No suprise there actually and good luck to people with nvidia chipsets on Vista, especially the older ones like Nforce 4.

Zardon · Mar 6, 2007, 01:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by means96

due to the fact that we are talking about DX10 driver verse a DX9 driver i think this vote is improper. We are compairing ATI's updated DX9 driver to NVIDEA's first ever DX10 driver. Not right or proper in my books - this should happen after ATI comes out with a DX10 driver and card then you can really compair aples to aples.

Jack

We can only compare what is available and I think you fail to comprehend that the nvidia vista driver is actually capable of running DX9 games, which is incidentally all people can actually use as no DX10 games are out yet. So perhaps with your same logic no one should actually run vista with nvidia until DX10 games are out?

Your analogy and statement is heavily flawed.

CDsDontBurn · Mar 6, 2007, 04:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawgsHead

...agrees with CD's.But what should I say? I am the resident nVIDIA fanboy!

i'm not a fanboy, it's just where i work at that gives me the biased opinion

.

i do have an ATI card in my machine (look left), and my sister has an NVIDIA card (7900GS KO) in hers, which will be upgraded in a few weeks to a 320Mb 8800gts.

Mar 2, 2007, 11:28 PM	#1
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Mar 3, 2007, 12:55 AM	#8
The_Neon_Cowboy HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 16,009 Rep Power: 90 System Specs	OMG!@!!! some people actually voted Nvidia Come on neither ATI nor nvidia's went off with out any minor hitches. Some issues are the OS, some are that people need to learn how to use the compatibility modes of vista. Or the games...But there are many people that are VERY displeased about the poor nvidia drivers, lack of sli support etc. ATI was way ahead (months) even before the OS was out so no doubt their driver was in a more ready state.. hence they (ati) had a better launch hands down... guess some missed the bad press about the state of their drivers? even the guy that was trying to get a group together to sue them? Due to their drivers in vista! Sure they now released better drivers "after the fact" but that makes it "after launch" and null here... __________________ Last edited by The_Neon_Cowboy; Mar 3, 2007 at 01:48 AM.

Mar 3, 2007, 03:02 AM	#11
Vikingod Int'l Fish Liaison Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: By the light of lamp I sit and type... Posts: 16,187 Rep Power: 109 System Specs	Not much to discuss. The benchmarks say everything. ATI delivered exactly what they said, "Vista Ready" ment exactly what is implies. Nvidia totally dropped the ball, here it is a month and a half after Vista's launch and still every driver they have is Beta at best, IMO. Not only have they ignored the Vista adopters, but there hasn't even been an XP driver since November! I wonder what they hell their driver department does all day, but I can guarantee they don't work, at least not as efficiently as the ATI folks (thanks to Terry, no doubt) If NV doesn't get their shit together and soon, I won't even consider purchasing another card from them. __________________ *How You Can Help DriverHeaven By Using Digg*

Mar 3, 2007, 12:22 AM	#5
LordLink HardwareHeaven Lover Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 108 Rep Power: 33	Obviously ATI, Nvidia still having some problems that will probably be resolved very soon with the new driver release

Mar 3, 2007, 12:42 AM	#7
Lelisevis Howlin at the moon Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,663 Rep Power: 0	I've gone Nvidia though it's kind of unfair. Nvidia have had to incorporate a whole new level of DirectX into there drivers, ATI still has all that fun to come (if they ever manage to get a card on the market). Plus despite all the negative press and bashing Nvidia have been getting I haven't experienced a single issue with a game and haven't been back to XP since launch day. My ATI card on the other hand wouldnt even get past the title menu's on Battle for middle earth and HL2 was also so corrupt it was unplayable.

Mar 3, 2007, 04:55 AM	#12
SFOSOK 939 Goin Strong Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ontario Posts: 7,033 Rep Power: 89 System Specs	ATI is lagging behind like they were last year. Maybe driver support is better but 8800 destroys anything ATI has right now. O my bad, this was about driver support. I guess ATI though I'm only going by what I heard because I don't have vista or ATI. __________________ Warning - Explicit Content Preceeding METAL!!

Mar 3, 2007, 05:53 AM	#13
OmegaRED Relapsed Gamer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ottawa , Canada Posts: 5,626 Rep Power: 171 System Specs	Anyone that votes Nvidia is a blind fanboy. Their Vista launch has been nothing less than a disaster. __________________ E Penis Specs: <------------- See System Specs

Mar 3, 2007, 06:29 AM	#14
The_Neon_Cowboy HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 16,009 Rep Power: 90 System Specs	SFOSOK: Only 1 of two players showed thier hand. Can't call the game untill all the cards are on the table. But mind you the new nv line is useing a path of idea's / tech, 1st introduced in the xbox 360 . Now with AMD's full resources behind them we could very well be suprized. Lelisevis: With NV the beta's are always been a plenty. doesn't show any additional effort or lack there of for that matter. How would nvidia be trying trying to provide drivers for any broader range of hardware and configurations then ATI is? truth is even when vista was public beta ATI offered full support when NV was announcing support in a "future" driver month(s) down the line. So it no supprise thier (ATI) is doing better in that dept. No need to "scour the forums looking for bad press or net rumor" as you say. I guess you missed the front page news articles. Websites erected by users having issues like http://www.nvidiaclassaction.org/ . __________________ Last edited by The_Neon_Cowboy; Mar 4, 2007 at 06:51 AM.

Mar 3, 2007, 09:53 PM	#15
ronnn DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 617 Rep Power: 0	I couldn't vote, as it seems to me that neither has had a great time with drivers. Maybe the problem is with ms? So lets have both have had problems choice.

Mar 4, 2007, 04:48 PM	#16
normr DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 5 Rep Power: 0	The Nvidia launch may be a disaster but they seem to be learning some valuable customer relations lessons. The same cannot be said for Logitech.

Mar 4, 2007, 08:49 PM	#17
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,047 Rep Power: 206	which one is more compatible with VISTA? hmmmmmmm __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Mar 4, 2007, 10:39 PM	#18
means96 HardwareHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 76 Rep Power: 0	aples to aples due to the fact that we are talking about DX10 driver verse a DX9 driver i think this vote is improper. We are compairing ATI's updated DX9 driver to NVIDEA's first ever DX10 driver. Not right or proper in my books - this should happen after ATI comes out with a DX10 driver and card then you can really compair aples to aples. Jack

Mar 4, 2007, 10:41 PM	#19
ronnn DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 617 Rep Power: 0	Are there any dx10 apps to try these drivers on?

Mar 4, 2007, 11:52 PM	#20
means96 HardwareHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 76 Rep Power: 0	From what I have read there are a couple programs and many on the horizon that will be DX10 capable but I have also read that the main problem is with DX10 attempting to run DX9 applications using DX10 mode since the 8800 platform is capable of DX10. I think this would certainly cause issues but I am certainly not an expert therefore rely on what I read and experience. My 8800 does outperform my saphyre 1950 in both benchmarks and I think quality on my 22 inch display but that is using XP - I wont migrate to Vista until this issue is resolved - hopefully soon. Jack

Mar 5, 2007, 12:11 AM	#21
means96 HardwareHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 76 Rep Power: 0	Flight sim X is DX10 I think Company of Heroes will have a DX 10 update in the coming months Halo 2 will also use some DX 10 features DX 9 and DX 10 screenshot comparison of Age of Conan. [COLOR=#0000ff]http://www.gamespot.com/features/6164940/index.html[/COLOR] Crysis coming out mid 07

Mar 5, 2007, 05:09 PM	#22
onefistedboxer DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 17 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	I dont see the contest, ati hasn't even got anything dx10 compatible so how can they claim to be fully vista compliant. its one thing to update old drivers to work with a new os but nvidias had to craft new drivers to work with a new direct x version - a much bigger task.

Mar 5, 2007, 06:47 PM	#23
Necrosis HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,838 Rep Power: 129 System Specs	Note: The issues are also w/ the 7xxx/6xxx series so the statement being it's because of DX10 w/ the 8xxx is invalid. If the only problems were on the 8xxx hardware that it would be a different issue.

Mar 5, 2007, 08:55 PM	#25
dipstick HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: USA Posts: 3,609 Rep Power: 70 System Specs	I jumped on Vista the day it was released and I have to say the experience has been far better than I ever expected. I have no idea what is happening on the ATi front or with SLI but running a single 8800 in Vista has been great. I have never seen a BSOD or any game crashes and in fact I prefer gaming on Vista even if my max fps have taken a hit due to how smooth the OS is. I have well over 20 games installed and played and my Vista reliability index is at 9.26! Good stuff indeed

Mar 6, 2007, 12:47 AM	#28
Erroneus Get off my lawn! Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Denmark Posts: 13,343 Rep Power: 114 System Specs	Not only Nvidia gfx vista drivers are a disaster, also their drivers for chipsets are a trainwreck. No suprise there actually and good luck to people with nvidia chipsets on Vista, especially the older ones like Nforce 4. __________________