Catalyst AI

Zardon · Sep 21, 2004, 11:44 PM

Please vote

Shinjikun · Sep 21, 2004, 11:54 PM

I won't say no to added functionality even though I may not intend on using it in every case. It shows what ATi 'is made of' with this kind of development behind the Catalyst driver suite. I don't mean to sound like a kiss arse or an ATi apostle; but I really am satisfied with their product and the support behind it.

New features are good features (unless they break something

)

ToP3koms · Sep 22, 2004, 12:00 AM

[COLOR=Silver]I have to think it's a great "concept" and the more control the user has is for the better.I just would like to reserve judgement until it is actually available for the end user.I really hope they also can deliver the new CCC with the ability to disable the splash screen and preview screen but I understand these things can take time.Great work ATI ,at least in preview, so far.ATI,it's these times of honesty and understanding of what your customers want that really make you stand head and shoulders above the competition ,at least in My eyes.Thank you. [/COLOR]

Widkidone · Sep 22, 2004, 12:10 AM

First of all i am glad that ATI is doing more to satisfy there customers. I will wait and see when this AI comes out. Several questions come to mind, like will this hog up ram? Will this AI increase the temp of the card? This is what i like about ATI monthly drivers, new ideas and looks out for its customers. This is why i will stay with ATI. Even though i wish that several companies **Cough*** like UBI, would look out for there customers.

Nacht · Sep 22, 2004, 03:43 AM

too many ati polls haha, i cant vote

mainman · Sep 22, 2004, 04:03 AM

I allways prefer to try it first and then comment, that way i can talk about something i have experienced and not BS about it.

Shadow Lady · Sep 22, 2004, 04:07 AM

i actually would love it if it could be used on old cp as well, but i prefer not saying anything until it i try it

ryoko2505 · Sep 22, 2004, 06:09 AM

i think it's a great idea...we'll have to see if it performs well as it is said..

BWX · Sep 22, 2004, 07:09 AM

The more control the better obviously- Just don't sacrifice old controls for new controls.

~~HawK~~ · Sep 22, 2004, 08:45 AM

I do have some faith in ATI, but I will first see then believe.

TwistedMetal · Sep 22, 2004, 08:54 AM

I'm the same with most of you guys. I want to try it, before I comment on it.

classic_leon · Sep 22, 2004, 09:07 AM

me too.

LeanWolf · Sep 22, 2004, 11:26 AM

the more options we get to choose from the better, obviously, although it doesn't seem very useful as it defaults to the best setting anyway..
personally i think they churned it out in an attempt to justify the not so popular CCC

EfrainMan · Sep 22, 2004, 05:30 PM

As long as I (and hardware review sites) can turn it off, I'm willing to give it a shot. But, except for AA, IQ isn't a THAT big of a thing for me, I'm usually too busy trying to survive the game then stare at the pretty pictures.

jsx[ifl] · Sep 23, 2004, 07:21 AM

Try it then comment...cause i thought i was gonna LOVE ccc but i dont like it, right now that is. Im gonna try it every release and get used to it till i have to use it.

Asmoday · Sep 23, 2004, 10:25 PM

I want to try it first, unfortunally i'll have to try it at the girlfriends rig...

Blazer · Sep 26, 2004, 02:42 AM

I prefer to try it first before commenting on it, I didn't like the "old" new cp, so if it is like that, then I won't be using it.

*Raff_3DC* · Jan 23, 2005, 02:21 AM

[X] I think its a great concept, the more control we have the better!

Drivers equipped with Catalyst A.I. (4.10+) outperform their older brothers in almost every application and do not kill any quality--it can't get much better. Only the "Advanced"-setting isn't very useful IMHO 'cause the textures suffer of unwanted blurring in many cases.

Greetings from Germany,

Raff

BWX · Jan 23, 2005, 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raff_3DC

[X] [i]Only the "Advanced"-setting isn't very useful IMHO 'cause the textures suffer of unwanted blurring in many cases.

Raff

Give screenshots--- Otherwise I wouldn't go around making false claims about image quality.

*Raff_3DC* · Jan 23, 2005, 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWX

Give screenshots--- Otherwise I wouldn't go around making false claims about image quality.

Just take a look into the article in my sig--klick!.

Especially in Half-Life² and Serious Sam 2nd Encounter you can see the difference.

Greetings from Germany,

Raff

Warpy · Jan 23, 2005, 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raff_3DC

Just take a look into the article in my sig--klick!.

Especially in Half-Life² and Serious Sam 2nd Encounter you can see the difference.

Greetings from Germany,

Raff

I have matched images side by side, and can't tell the difference. Can someone perhaps show me the difference if any at all?

*Raff_3DC* · Jan 23, 2005, 11:05 PM

Do you have an image-viewer where you can switch between 2 pictures via mousewheel? With Irfanview it works nice.

After saving and opening them look at the stonefloor and the light in the sky in Serious Sam. Quite obvious I think.

Greetings,

Raff

Warpy · Jan 23, 2005, 11:08 PM

I'll have another look

BWX · Jan 24, 2005, 05:50 AM

That is a very nice article, but I gotta say I cannot see anything in those comparative screenshots that look like worse image quality with advanced AI. Maybe slightly different only in the Serious Sam screen- but nothing I could say is "reduced" Image quality. I use Normal AI for Richard burns rally, Advanced seems to cause stuttering sometimes. I will keep trying it out with every now driver though.

*Raff_3DC* · Jan 24, 2005, 12:44 PM

I agree with you with the fact that it's only a marginal difference--but the quality is definetely a little worse. If you take a look at the screens closely, you'll see what I mean.

For example the already mentioned SeSam: the stonefloor with A.I. @ advanced has an other color than on the screen with A.I. @ standard. There's also a difference in sharpness in the foreground (hope it's the right word

) .. and the lighting looks kinda "compressed" (except the compression artifacts thanks to JPG which can be seen on both screens

).

Or Half-Life²: Focus on the wall at the left of the screen und switch between the two pics. The shot made with advanced-A.I. shows a little blur there, the texture-sharpness is reduced.

Ok, if you don't know how it looks with A.I. @ off or standard, you wouldn't notice I think. But in fact, there's a reduction in image quality ... and optimizations like that aren't very popular.

Greetings,

Raff

BWX · Jan 24, 2005, 09:58 PM

Yeah I guess people with really fast cards can just turn it off. I will use it if I can get some more speed out of my OLD 9700pro with out too much IQ loss

Sep 21, 2004, 11:44 PM	#1
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Sep 21, 2004, 11:54 PM	#2
Shinjikun 第3 子供 Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Nerv HQ Posts: 1,319 Rep Power: 0	I won't say no to added functionality even though I may not intend on using it in every case. It shows what ATi 'is made of' with this kind of development behind the Catalyst driver suite. I don't mean to sound like a kiss arse or an ATi apostle; but I really am satisfied with their product and the support behind it. New features are good features (unless they break something ) __________________ Xfire: [Shinji1225 \ Status] A7N8X-E Deluxe Athlon XP 2500+ (@ 2.2 GHz 11x200 MHz FSB) Corsair TwinX XMS 1GB PC3200 Dual Channel (2-2-3-5) [color=red]ATi [/color][color=white]Radeon 9500 Pro (@ 330\310) \ [/color][color=white]Omega Catalyst Drivers v2.5.90[/color] [color=white]Ultra X-Connect 500W PSU[/color]

Sep 22, 2004, 12:10 AM	#4
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Sep 22, 2004, 12:00 AM	#3
ToP3koms Respect Human Rights Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: MD. US Posts: 149 Rep Power: 0	[COLOR=Silver]I have to think it's a great "concept" and the more control the user has is for the better.I just would like to reserve judgement until it is actually available for the end user.I really hope they also can deliver the new CCC with the ability to disable the splash screen and preview screen but I understand these things can take time.Great work ATI ,at least in preview, so far.ATI,it's these times of honesty and understanding of what your customers want that really make you stand head and shoulders above the competition ,at least in My eyes.Thank you. [/COLOR]

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Sep 22, 2004, 07:09 AM	#9
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Sep 22, 2004, 05:30 PM	#14
EfrainMan HardwareHeaven Lover Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 197 Rep Power: 49 System Specs	As long as I (and hardware review sites) can turn it off, I'm willing to give it a shot. But, except for AA, IQ isn't a THAT big of a thing for me, I'm usually too busy trying to survive the game then stare at the pretty pictures.

Sep 23, 2004, 07:21 AM	#15
jsx[ifl] DH's Unofficial Hero Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Montreal Posts: 650 Rep Power: 0	Try it then comment...cause i thought i was gonna LOVE ccc but i dont like it, right now that is. Im gonna try it every release and get used to it till i have to use it. __________________ [color=Gray][color=DarkRed][color=Gray][color=DarkRed][color=Gray][color=DarkRed][color=Gray][color=DarkRed][color=Gray][color=DarkRed][color=Gray][color=DarkRed][color=Gray] [/color][/color] [/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color]

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Jan 23, 2005, 02:21 AM	#18
Raff_3DC 3dcenter.de Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Hessen, Germany Posts: 113 Rep Power: 0	[X] I think its a great concept, the more control we have the better! Drivers equipped with Catalyst A.I. (4.10+) outperform their older brothers in almost every application and do not kill any quality--it can't get much better. Only the "Advanced"-setting isn't very useful IMHO 'cause the textures suffer of unwanted blurring in many cases. Greetings from Germany, Raff __________________ ATi Catalyst-Shootout 3.2 - 5.3 @ 3DCenter.de Detonator/ForceWare-Shootout for GeForce4 Ti 44.65 - 80.40 Detonator-Shootout 16.30 - 44.90 for GeForce3 @ 3DC-Forum Voodoo3 and Voodoo5 driver comparison

Jan 23, 2005, 11:05 PM	#22
Raff_3DC 3dcenter.de Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Hessen, Germany Posts: 113 Rep Power: 0	Do you have an image-viewer where you can switch between 2 pictures via mousewheel? With Irfanview it works nice. After saving and opening them look at the stonefloor and the light in the sky in Serious Sam. Quite obvious I think. Greetings, Raff __________________ ATi Catalyst-Shootout 3.2 - 5.3 @ 3DCenter.de Detonator/ForceWare-Shootout for GeForce4 Ti 44.65 - 80.40 Detonator-Shootout 16.30 - 44.90 for GeForce3 @ 3DC-Forum Voodoo3 and Voodoo5 driver comparison

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Jan 24, 2005, 05:50 AM	#24
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,665 Rep Power: 109 System Specs	That is a very nice article, but I gotta say I cannot see anything in those comparative screenshots that look like worse image quality with advanced AI. Maybe slightly different only in the Serious Sam screen- but nothing I could say is "reduced" Image quality. I use Normal AI for Richard burns rally, Advanced seems to cause stuttering sometimes. I will keep trying it out with every now driver though. __________________

Jan 24, 2005, 12:44 PM	#25
Raff_3DC 3dcenter.de Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Hessen, Germany Posts: 113 Rep Power: 0	I agree with you with the fact that it's only a marginal difference--but the quality is definetely a little worse. If you take a look at the screens closely, you'll see what I mean. For example the already mentioned SeSam: the stonefloor with A.I. @ advanced has an other color than on the screen with A.I. @ standard. There's also a difference in sharpness in the foreground (hope it's the right word ) .. and the lighting looks kinda "compressed" (except the compression artifacts thanks to JPG which can be seen on both screens ). Or Half-Life²: Focus on the wall at the left of the screen und switch between the two pics. The shot made with advanced-A.I. shows a little blur there, the texture-sharpness is reduced. Ok, if you don't know how it looks with A.I. @ off or standard, you wouldn't notice I think. But in fact, there's a reduction in image quality ... and optimizations like that aren't very popular. Greetings, Raff __________________ ATi Catalyst-Shootout 3.2 - 5.3 @ 3DCenter.de Detonator/ForceWare-Shootout for GeForce4 Ti 44.65 - 80.40 Detonator-Shootout 16.30 - 44.90 for GeForce3 @ 3DC-Forum Voodoo3 and Voodoo5 driver comparison

Jan 24, 2005, 09:58 PM	#26
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,665 Rep Power: 109 System Specs	Yeah I guess people with really fast cards can just turn it off. I will use it if I can get some more speed out of my OLD 9700pro with out too much IQ loss __________________