I would like ATI to make an AGP based X700 series card

Shadow Lady · Oct 5, 2004, 01:03 PM

well said

Danhill · Oct 5, 2004, 02:37 PM

Yes of course they should realese a AGP version of it!! I belive it's going to take at least 1 year until most people have a PCI-E Mainboard.

Shinjikun · Oct 5, 2004, 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by apoch003

Why should we care about ATi's business decisions?

You either have an nVidia card or you have an X800 XT PE, right?.

apoch003 · Oct 5, 2004, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shinjikun

You either have an nVidia card or you have an X800 XT PE, right?.

hee! I have a 9800xt actually.

swimtech · Oct 5, 2004, 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by apoch003

Why should we care about ATi's business decisions?

Simply,

They likely won't make them unless they can make money on them. If we don't show our care for ATI (with our feedback, money, anything that has worth to them), ATI won't, for long, be able to afford to care for us by designing and making great video cards.

The Golden Rule works - everywhere, unless ignored or violated.

ryanjz · Oct 7, 2004, 05:53 PM

NO, this isn't really my first post, but certainly my first in a long long time. Sure, a lot of people, primarily the enthusiast types that frequent sites like this, would like to see everything available for their favorite platform, whatever that platform should be.

For years I've heard nothing but 'tech guys' opining for 'new tech' and faster comps with all the capabilities we've been promised for years and years.

Here we are on the doorstep of one such long awaited technology, PCI-Express and we're whining that new products are being developed for it?

"If you build it, they will come." The PCI-E platform needs attractive mainstream parts to attract the mainstream market. So far there's no 'killer app' for PCI-Express and i'm not saying that the X700 fills that void but it's certainly a quality part and one that will help legitimize the new platform.

Pluvious · Oct 7, 2004, 08:34 PM

I think its just a marketing scam to get use to REBUY all our gear ONCE AGAIN to fill their pockets with money. We'll need a new mobo and card and for what?.. I don't see that there is any improvement with PCI-Express. In fact I've read that its slower?! My under used 8x AGP isn't even getting taxed as it is.. what a joke.

Geminiwave · Oct 7, 2004, 10:44 PM

its not really slower.

Though from all of the benchmarks I've seen so far it does appear to possibly be slightly slower MAYBE! But its hard to tell since you cant get identical testbeds.

The deal is that PCIe has MUCH GREATER BANDWIDTH! Now I realize that nothing uses it yet and that is part of the reason why I think this is a load of garbage...however...ATI released its highest clocked card for AGP ONLY. X800XT PE is not available for PCIe at the moment(correct me if im wrong) So they obviously know who their top market is right now.

RIV@NVX · Oct 7, 2004, 11:51 PM

I agree with most people on this - PCI-E still isn't mainstream, many mobos don't have it. I would like to see X700 AGP, and if ATI makes it, I will go for that certainly.

Geminiwave · Oct 8, 2004, 03:46 AM

me too

swimtech · Oct 8, 2004, 02:37 PM

I really think it would be a great performing card for the money - an excellent value, and a good match with any P4 Northwood or Athlon XP Thoroughbred or better CPU...

coldfrontt · Oct 10, 2004, 02:43 PM

I also think an AGP form would be great...I and a number of my clients won't need to move to PCI-E for a while...but we do like good graphics at an affordable price.

Logla · Oct 10, 2004, 03:08 PM

Given that pci-express doesn't have the kind of market penetration that agp enjoys yet and probably wont have for a long while either, I think an agp version is necessary.

The people who are going to buy this are the ones who cant afford to go the pci-e route just yet and would rather spend the money on a new affordable card than having to save up and shell out even more money to upgrade the rest of their pc.

In comparison those folks who do spend the money and upgrade their mobo, cpu, ram in one go are more likely to be buying the higher spec, x800 cards.

robomosk · Oct 10, 2004, 09:09 PM

Basically, it comes down to this: I'm looking for a mid-range upgrade for my Radeon 9700 Pro, and I know that Nvidia is coming out with an AGP version of the 6600. So unless ATI gets their act together and releases an AGP version of the X700, I'm going to buy the 6600. I would rather buy the X700, but if I can't, I can't, and that's ATI's fault.

pigdog · Oct 11, 2004, 09:45 AM

And that's fair enough; it's not about being fanboyz for ATI. It's about getting the best bang for the buck for most of us (I have a 9600xt and i love it), but as said earlier, with games like HL2 and Stalker coming out, I want to upgrade. I can't afford to upgrade the backbone of my system just to embrace pci xpress (the performance improvement doesn't warrant it) but a new Gpu card is the best option - soooo..... who's selling the best performance/pricepoint AGP card right now?

And - no - I don't want to "upgrade" to a 9800; I'd like to move up a generation; as Zardon alluded to (sorry; to lazy to grab the quote!

) the 700 has stuff for today's games - the 9800 is sooo 12 months ago!

In closing;ATI make great stuff, continue to improve and support what they already have out, and do seem to really listen to their customers,so I feel that they really have to give us AGP'ers (

) a bit of break - stick by us, we will CONTINUE to stick by you.

PS - please don't take this the wrong way ATI; you know I really love you

evergreen · Oct 11, 2004, 07:27 PM

I am still riding my 8500 and was looking at the 9800 Pro as my next card...I haven't seen any benchmark comparisons, but it could be an option...

Shadow Lady · Oct 12, 2004, 12:09 AM

there are many benchmark comparissions (cant think of any at the moment lol) and those all say x700xt is a better option than the 9800pro/xt this days, and with more features (well just a couple lol)

Callandor · Oct 12, 2004, 08:36 AM

I just care bout AGP. PCIe's gonna tear up AGP just like when PCI first killed off ISA way back in the 90s. I welcome change, but not just in any plane *puts hands in pockets, feels no money* . But, when it finally catches on, i believe PCIe's gonna cause a gaming revolution which we will all benefit from. ^_^

Geminiwave · Oct 12, 2004, 08:11 PM

the extra bandwidth is quite obviously going to make a difference someday. But that day is not TOday.

for now, pushing everyone to upgrade isnt helping anything, especially when even the x800XT PE isnt using the full capabilities of the AGP 8X(though its getting close)

swimtech · Oct 12, 2004, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sun_walka

I just care bout AGP. PCIe's gonna tear up AGP just like when PCI first killed off ISA way back in the 90s. I welcome change, but not just in any plane *puts hands in pockets, feels no money* . But, when it finally catches on, i believe PCIe's gonna cause a gaming revolution which we will all benefit from. ^_^

I agree, in a another year...

Judas · Oct 13, 2004, 04:15 AM

wow... 77% with the number of votes..... interesting call from the majority ....

Geminiwave · Oct 13, 2004, 04:46 AM

I wonder if this will make a difference.

thats alot of votes though. wowwwww.

Shadow Lady · Oct 13, 2004, 05:16 AM

well, also if u take in count that nVIDIA already promised 6600gt agp8x cards then ati need to release their agp cards as well, i mean yeah 9800pro/xt is still a good card, but is so old now that people will of course buy the new stuff, and if ati doesnt release x700 agp cards? well, im sorry ATI but i guess this time ill be getting 6600gt card lol i hope that doesnt happen anyhow lol

edit: 4900 votes out of 6314 saying go for x700agp cards, that has to count for somethen lol

MindlessOath · Oct 14, 2004, 06:13 AM

btw im not reading all these posts

probably wont even read or reply to this one

lol

anyways, i would have to say since this x700 is better than the 9800xt that its a great idea to get... but what flavor. well that depends on my upgrade purchases.

truthfully i would like to upgrade to a higher end grfx card for this computer, but its still limited by the CPU, and this system is old, tho it still is better than most people's computers, and still plays games better than most.... hell i would still use it if i got a new one.

but truthfully im going to get a new AMD64 system and im thinking that PCI express is the way to go, probably the new nforce, mabe via.

so i would have to say that the card i would choose would be the PCI-express flavor one based on that factor. but i wouldnt buy the card before any other hardware.
so im waiting for the amd boards to go retail. the review boards i have seen are not as good as u might expect tho, those are via chipsets

mabe retail ones will be better.

x700XT is definatly going to be a nice midrange card at a nice price. i would still like to see an AGP version tho - cause i do belive their will be new motherboards with both AGP and pci express grfx slots. hint hint.

Geminiwave · Oct 14, 2004, 04:52 PM

there was one already. actually it was called an "AGPe" slot.

AGP doesnt belong in a PCIe board. they just dont work togeather.

Shadow Lady · Oct 14, 2004, 06:23 PM

but that AGPe slot just sucks, it is interesting, but would be only like 1xAGP which well... sucky lol

MindlessOath · Oct 14, 2004, 08:53 PM

no no no... i have seen some new BTX boards with both AGP slot and PCI-express grfx slot.

i dont know what ur talking about tho... mabe a link or picture for me?

Shadow Lady · Oct 15, 2004, 03:52 AM

yeah, show as a picture as well

midnilux · Oct 15, 2004, 10:48 PM

I dont care

Geminiwave · Oct 15, 2004, 10:50 PM

I cant find the article. it was on the DH front page, and now its gone.

Oct 5, 2004, 01:03 PM	#61
Shadow Lady Avril Fan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: somewhere in colombia, okok, bogotá city :p Posts: 1,262 Rep Power: 0	well said __________________ Oblivion ftw

Oct 5, 2004, 02:37 PM	#62
Danhill DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Sweden Posts: 4,112 Rep Power: 0	Yes of course they should realese a AGP version of it!! I belive it's going to take at least 1 year until most people have a PCI-E Mainboard. __________________ MOBO: [color=white]ASUS A8N-SLI Premium[/color] CPU: AMD 64 3200+ (Venice) @ 2,50 Ghz MEM: 2 x 512 DDR 466, VGA: 2 x 6600 GT in SLI, HDD1: WD Raptor HDD2: Maxtor Diamond Plus 9, Case: Antec Plus View 1080, PSU: ThermalTake PurePower 500W, MX 1000, Dell 2001 FP, Aud. 2 SZ

Oct 7, 2004, 08:34 PM	#67
Pluvious Elisha = hottie Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: USA CA. SF Bay Area Posts: 1,318 Rep Power: 56	I think its just a marketing scam to get use to REBUY all our gear ONCE AGAIN to fill their pockets with money. We'll need a new mobo and card and for what?.. I don't see that there is any improvement with PCI-Express. In fact I've read that its slower?! My under used 8x AGP isn't even getting taxed as it is.. what a joke. __________________

Oct 7, 2004, 10:44 PM	#68
Geminiwave I Have lovely Breasts Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: In the closet... Posts: 5,395 Rep Power: 62	its not really slower. Though from all of the benchmarks I've seen so far it does appear to possibly be slightly slower MAYBE! But its hard to tell since you cant get identical testbeds. The deal is that PCIe has MUCH GREATER BANDWIDTH! Now I realize that nothing uses it yet and that is part of the reason why I think this is a load of garbage...however...ATI released its highest clocked card for AGP ONLY. X800XT PE is not available for PCIe at the moment(correct me if im wrong) So they obviously know who their top market is right now. __________________

Oct 7, 2004, 11:51 PM	#69
RIV@NVX Freedom is a feature. Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Croatia, Rijeka Posts: 4,476 Rep Power: 67 System Specs	I agree with most people on this - PCI-E still isn't mainstream, many mobos don't have it. I would like to see X700 AGP, and if ATI makes it, I will go for that certainly. __________________ -- Vedran

Oct 7, 2004, 05:53 PM	#66
ryanjz DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 1 Rep Power: 0	NO, this isn't really my first post, but certainly my first in a long long time. Sure, a lot of people, primarily the enthusiast types that frequent sites like this, would like to see everything available for their favorite platform, whatever that platform should be. For years I've heard nothing but 'tech guys' opining for 'new tech' and faster comps with all the capabilities we've been promised for years and years. Here we are on the doorstep of one such long awaited technology, PCI-Express and we're whining that new products are being developed for it? "If you build it, they will come." The PCI-E platform needs attractive mainstream parts to attract the mainstream market. So far there's no 'killer app' for PCI-Express and i'm not saying that the X700 fills that void but it's certainly a quality part and one that will help legitimize the new platform.

Oct 8, 2004, 03:46 AM	#70
Geminiwave I Have lovely Breasts Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: In the closet... Posts: 5,395 Rep Power: 62	me too __________________

Oct 8, 2004, 02:37 PM	#71
swimtech HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: North Carolina Posts: 4,040 Rep Power: 122 System Specs	I really think it would be a great performing card for the money - an excellent value, and a good match with any P4 Northwood or Athlon XP Thoroughbred or better CPU... __________________ It's not so much getting your way that matters or not - what matters is how you go about getting it.

Oct 10, 2004, 02:43 PM	#72
coldfrontt DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: canada Posts: 248 Rep Power: 0	I also think an AGP form would be great...I and a number of my clients won't need to move to PCI-E for a while...but we do like good graphics at an affordable price.

Oct 10, 2004, 03:08 PM	#73
Logla HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 3,311 Rep Power: 62	Given that pci-express doesn't have the kind of market penetration that agp enjoys yet and probably wont have for a long while either, I think an agp version is necessary. The people who are going to buy this are the ones who cant afford to go the pci-e route just yet and would rather spend the money on a new affordable card than having to save up and shell out even more money to upgrade the rest of their pc. In comparison those folks who do spend the money and upgrade their mobo, cpu, ram in one go are more likely to be buying the higher spec, x800 cards.

Oct 10, 2004, 09:09 PM	#74
robomosk DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: The People's Republic of Cambridge Posts: 60 Rep Power: 0	Basically, it comes down to this: I'm looking for a mid-range upgrade for my Radeon 9700 Pro, and I know that Nvidia is coming out with an AGP version of the 6600. So unless ATI gets their act together and releases an AGP version of the X700, I'm going to buy the 6600. I would rather buy the X700, but if I can't, I can't, and that's ATI's fault.

Oct 11, 2004, 09:45 AM	#75
pigdog HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 471 Rep Power: 55 System Specs	There are Striders coming, and I NEED a new CARRRRDDDDD! And that's fair enough; it's not about being fanboyz for ATI. It's about getting the best bang for the buck for most of us (I have a 9600xt and i love it), but as said earlier, with games like HL2 and Stalker coming out, I want to upgrade. I can't afford to upgrade the backbone of my system just to embrace pci xpress (the performance improvement doesn't warrant it) but a new Gpu card is the best option - soooo..... who's selling the best performance/pricepoint AGP card right now? And - no - I don't want to "upgrade" to a 9800; I'd like to move up a generation; as Zardon alluded to (sorry; to lazy to grab the quote! ) the 700 has stuff for today's games - the 9800 is sooo 12 months ago! In closing;ATI make great stuff, continue to improve and support what they already have out, and do seem to really listen to their customers,so I feel that they really have to give us AGP'ers ( ) a bit of break - stick by us, we will CONTINUE to stick by you. PS - please don't take this the wrong way ATI; you know I really love you __________________

Oct 11, 2004, 07:27 PM	#76
evergreen DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: West Virginia Posts: 148 Rep Power: 0	I am still riding my 8500 and was looking at the 9800 Pro as my next card...I haven't seen any benchmark comparisons, but it could be an option...

Oct 12, 2004, 12:09 AM	#77
Shadow Lady Avril Fan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: somewhere in colombia, okok, bogotá city :p Posts: 1,262 Rep Power: 0	there are many benchmark comparissions (cant think of any at the moment lol) and those all say x700xt is a better option than the 9800pro/xt this days, and with more features (well just a couple lol) __________________ Oblivion ftw

Oct 12, 2004, 08:36 AM	#78
Callandor Forged on Dragonmount Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada Posts: 6,876 Rep Power: 256 System Specs	I just care bout AGP. PCIe's gonna tear up AGP just like when PCI first killed off ISA way back in the 90s. I welcome change, but not just in any plane puts hands in pockets, feels no money . But, when it finally catches on, i believe PCIe's gonna cause a gaming revolution which we will all benefit from. ^_^

Oct 12, 2004, 08:11 PM	#79
Geminiwave I Have lovely Breasts Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: In the closet... Posts: 5,395 Rep Power: 62	the extra bandwidth is quite obviously going to make a difference someday. But that day is not TOday. for now, pushing everyone to upgrade isnt helping anything, especially when even the x800XT PE isnt using the full capabilities of the AGP 8X(though its getting close) __________________

Oct 13, 2004, 04:46 AM	#82
Geminiwave I Have lovely Breasts Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: In the closet... Posts: 5,395 Rep Power: 62	I wonder if this will make a difference. thats alot of votes though. wowwwww. __________________

Oct 13, 2004, 05:16 AM	#83
Shadow Lady Avril Fan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: somewhere in colombia, okok, bogotá city :p Posts: 1,262 Rep Power: 0	well, also if u take in count that nVIDIA already promised 6600gt agp8x cards then ati need to release their agp cards as well, i mean yeah 9800pro/xt is still a good card, but is so old now that people will of course buy the new stuff, and if ati doesnt release x700 agp cards? well, im sorry ATI but i guess this time ill be getting 6600gt card lol i hope that doesnt happen anyhow lol edit: 4900 votes out of 6314 saying go for x700agp cards, that has to count for somethen lol __________________ Oblivion ftw

Oct 14, 2004, 06:13 AM	#84
MindlessOath DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,121 Rep Power: 0	btw im not reading all these posts probably wont even read or reply to this one lol anyways, i would have to say since this x700 is better than the 9800xt that its a great idea to get... but what flavor. well that depends on my upgrade purchases. truthfully i would like to upgrade to a higher end grfx card for this computer, but its still limited by the CPU, and this system is old, tho it still is better than most people's computers, and still plays games better than most.... hell i would still use it if i got a new one. but truthfully im going to get a new AMD64 system and im thinking that PCI express is the way to go, probably the new nforce, mabe via. so i would have to say that the card i would choose would be the PCI-express flavor one based on that factor. but i wouldnt buy the card before any other hardware. so im waiting for the amd boards to go retail. the review boards i have seen are not as good as u might expect tho, those are via chipsets mabe retail ones will be better. x700XT is definatly going to be a nice midrange card at a nice price. i would still like to see an AGP version tho - cause i do belive their will be new motherboards with both AGP and pci express grfx slots. hint hint. __________________ ATI Radeon X800XT PE <---- LOOK UPDATED!! AMD Athlon 2Ghz, nforce2, 512mb ddr3500 LINKS U SHOULD KNOW!!!! DriverCleaner - use every time u install new drivers! ATI driver feedback - to report driver problems Tacticalcenter - my Gaming website and forums ATI 3rd party Optimized Driver Compairison

Oct 14, 2004, 04:52 PM	#85
Geminiwave I Have lovely Breasts Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: In the closet... Posts: 5,395 Rep Power: 62	there was one already. actually it was called an "AGPe" slot. AGP doesnt belong in a PCIe board. they just dont work togeather. __________________

Oct 14, 2004, 06:23 PM	#86
Shadow Lady Avril Fan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: somewhere in colombia, okok, bogotá city :p Posts: 1,262 Rep Power: 0	but that AGPe slot just sucks, it is interesting, but would be only like 1xAGP which well... sucky lol __________________ Oblivion ftw

Oct 14, 2004, 08:53 PM	#87
MindlessOath DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,121 Rep Power: 0	no no no... i have seen some new BTX boards with both AGP slot and PCI-express grfx slot. i dont know what ur talking about tho... mabe a link or picture for me? __________________ ATI Radeon X800XT PE <---- LOOK UPDATED!! AMD Athlon 2Ghz, nforce2, 512mb ddr3500 LINKS U SHOULD KNOW!!!! DriverCleaner - use every time u install new drivers! ATI driver feedback - to report driver problems Tacticalcenter - my Gaming website and forums ATI 3rd party Optimized Driver Compairison

Oct 15, 2004, 03:52 AM	#88
Shadow Lady Avril Fan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: somewhere in colombia, okok, bogotá city :p Posts: 1,262 Rep Power: 0	yeah, show as a picture as well __________________ Oblivion ftw

Oct 15, 2004, 10:48 PM	#89
midnilux DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 66 Rep Power: 0	I dont care

Oct 15, 2004, 10:50 PM	#90
Geminiwave I Have lovely Breasts Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: In the closet... Posts: 5,395 Rep Power: 62	I cant find the article. it was on the DH front page, and now its gone. __________________