I would like ATI to make an AGP based X700 series card

Zardon · Oct 1, 2004, 09:23 PM

Please vote !

Shinjikun · Oct 1, 2004, 09:26 PM

I would personally like to see the X700 in AGP flavor. There isn't a need right now (besides just plain being nice) to upgrade to PCI-Express and a lot of people like myself are happy with their current AGP platform. There should be a market for an AGP version of the X700; at least for the time being. I think ATi should really bring one to the market and expand their current selection of the Xx00 series of cards.

I'm looking for a mid level upgrade from my 9500 Pro soon and a 9800 Pro would be nice; but if the X700 is available and is a newer generation card I will go for the X700 instead. My 2 cents; ATi should bring one out.

Zardon · Oct 1, 2004, 09:29 PM

There is a reason ive posted this so please vote and discuss guys, its important, thanks

Dom · Oct 1, 2004, 09:33 PM

I absolutely wanna see this. I will buy one if they make one, and believe strongly others would too. PCIe technology is far from being in every computer household, like AGP is (with exception of those with intergrated vdeo). I thought it was silly for ATi to suggest that users get an 9800 series card if they wanted an AGP X700. The X700 series has the newer technology and isn't comparable to the 9800s in my opinion.

Give us the new technology, like you have always done, ATi! Please!

Shinjikun · Oct 1, 2004, 09:36 PM

I agree; if ATi releases the X700 for the mid level market I think a lot of people will purchase them -- including myself. Basically I don't see a reason why ATi shouldn't bring it to the market.

Shadow Lady · Oct 1, 2004, 09:37 PM

absolutely, i think this is a great card no matter what people have said about it, is just a great card from a great company =D

and coming on AGP version? of course it should, after all the card is supposed to be directed to the medium range of card buyers that as myself, woudlnt like to upgrade their pcs just to get a new card ^^

GutterPunk · Oct 1, 2004, 09:41 PM

it should be out for agp... i misvoted cuz i thought of it in the wrong way... Yes till open up the mid market quite a bit... Well I guess I truely do not care... i know it'd be pretty nice, and i would prolly check one out

***craig5320*** · Oct 1, 2004, 09:48 PM

I think this would be a great addition, Like Dom said PCie is far from mainstream, and this could just be the right budget~performance card that plugs the gap for people holding out for performance yet maintaining the budget, without wanting the leap to PCie. I help a lot of people who are not experienced with PCs usually with Onboard VGA and often find they're wanting to get into gaming but are failed with lower range cards not offering the performance they need and the top range simply being to far from there reach in terms of price. An AGP X700 would be the ideal compromise. My 2c.

dipstick · Oct 1, 2004, 10:03 PM

Yes, I think it would be a much needed addition to their agp line. And like others have said agp is still very much alive, is still used by 98% of users out there and most have of them have been waiting for a nicely priced card like this to fill the spot.

Dark Lord · Oct 1, 2004, 10:22 PM

i just voted i dont care. it would be a downgrade for me so it really doesnt intrest me at all. now if i was one of the people that was in hte market for a mid range x000 series, i would love to see an x700 in agp form.

Shadow Lady · Oct 2, 2004, 12:15 AM

after all is a card as great as a 9800pro/xt but less pricy is all all good =D

x700xt agp i want to grab one ^^

Asmoday · Oct 2, 2004, 12:15 AM

I think it is a great idea to release it in agp form, i'm sure there would be many people buying it.

cymanator · Oct 2, 2004, 12:59 AM

When I heard the X700xt was going to be PCIe only I was very disappointed.

I need to upgrade my 9500pro and want to go agp one last time before PCIe.

Will I have to go with a 6600GT???

Mocca · Oct 2, 2004, 01:00 AM

Mid market level graphics cards never interested me personally, but it would be stupid for ATi not to make an AGP model, simply because pci-e needs time to settle into people's homes as said by others in this thread.
What is AGP today? 95% of the market?

I think the change will come AGP to pci-e, but it will take some time. I think most people are like I am - sitting on a perfect board with nice ram and nice cpu and really see no reason to upgrade my mobo to a pci-e version, because it gives me no noticeable benefits ram- and/or cpu-wise.
I am sure the marjourity of people will upgrade to a pci-e board as soon as next generation cpu's or ram demand it.

Chaos · Oct 2, 2004, 01:56 AM

definatly they should !!!!

Shinjikun · Oct 2, 2004, 02:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cymanator

When I heard the X700xt was going to be PCIe only I was very disappointed.

I need to upgrade my 9500pro and want to go agp one last time before PCIe.

Will I have to go with a 6600GT???

Ack! Don't say things like that. nVidia is heresy.

j/k

In any event I'm a fellow 9500 Pro owner looking for an upgrade and the X700 would be just the thing. I wish I had $500 for an X800 XT PE but Halloween Horror Nights 14, and a little thing called Christmas are getting in the way of that vision so I would be estatic if ATi brought the X700 to the (AGP) masses.

mainman · Oct 2, 2004, 04:30 AM

Of course they should!! This should not even be asked!!!

BWX · Oct 2, 2004, 10:34 AM

HELL yes! If it's cheap and beats a 9800pro- It is a winner.

classic_leon · Oct 2, 2004, 11:15 AM

I might like it. I will buy this card if I change my 9800pro.

BurL · Oct 2, 2004, 11:19 AM

I would pick one up for sure to upgrade my 9800pro. I dont plan on getting a new mobo for a while and pci-x is not an option for me but an agp version would make me a happy gamer.

~~REGENERAT1ON~~ · Oct 2, 2004, 11:28 AM

X700 Agp = R9800 Xt

**dj_stick** · Oct 2, 2004, 11:34 AM

i'll be upgrading my gfx soon and i'd like to use current tech in my agp m/b

Zardon · Oct 2, 2004, 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by REGENERAT1ON

X700 Agp = R9800 Xt

no its not, I explained all this in my review, the X700 has faster clocks and also has support for the new technology such as 3DC.

Zardon · Oct 2, 2004, 01:00 PM

for those who missed it last week when I asked ati about a X700 on AGP they said this.

ATIs response:

"we currently have no plans for an AGP version of X700. Right now AGP users still have access to RADEON 9800 series of products, which would be very close to the X700 series performance wise, so product differentiation would be very difficult and having both products available at the same time might confuse some users.

If we see the demand for X700 in the AGP space we would use a bridge to have the PCI express chip running on an AGP board."

so you can see why im trying to get a consensus of our membership.

EcPercy · Oct 2, 2004, 02:53 PM

I think that it will be a bad idea to keep making AGP based cards. Here is your reason to move to newer technology and help phase out the old. If ATI keeps on making AGP then the old tech will never get phased out in a timely manner. I would rather see them push for PCI-E and force us to upgrade to get the latest and greatest.

Shinjikun · Oct 2, 2004, 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EcPercy

I think that it will be a bad idea to keep making AGP based cards. Here is your reason to move to newer technology and help phase out the old. If ATI keeps on making AGP then the old tech will never get phased out in a timely manner. I would rather see them push for PCI-E and force us to upgrade to get the latest and greatest.

It's not a bad idea to keep making AGP products, it's a HORRIBLE idea to stop making AGP products to force a PCI-e upgrade this early. Not every one has the hundreds of dollars required to upgrade right now (motherboard, ram, cpu [in some cases]) and AGP products should not stop production yet. PCI-e was JUST introduced to the masses and there shouldn't be a hard transition to it at all.

Some companies like Intel are making the transition much harder than it should be; but there is NO MAJOR advantage or performance increase from AGP to PCI-e right now. Later on there will be software that will use that amount of bandwidth, but after one or two years with AGP 8X we FINALLY see a software title that actually uses it (Doom 3).

We certainly don't need to start throwing away our current gen of hardware just yet, AGP can still have up to one or more years of life in it AT LEAST and there is NO reason, other than to have the 'latest and greatest' hardware, to transition to PCI-e right now unless you don't even have a computer to begin with or you have money in the bank that you can spend at will with no consequence.

Unfortunately I DON'T have money to burn and upgrading to PCI-e right now is unwarranted. Besides the CPU boost I could receive in the bus architecture I would receive barely any performance boost to justify the hundreds of dollars I spent just to be able to use a fancy PCI-e video card. Later on this will be entirely different; but right now in my opinion it's not justified.

Dom · Oct 2, 2004, 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EcPercy

I think that it will be a bad idea to keep making AGP based cards. Here is your reason to move to newer technology and help phase out the old. If ATI keeps on making AGP then the old tech will never get phased out in a timely manner. I would rather see them push for PCI-E and force us to upgrade to get the latest and greatest.

I don't think so. PCIe isn't the latest and greatest. It is a new technology and doesn't, as of yet, show any real improvement over AGP. We shouldn't be forced to 'upgrade' to technology that's in its infancy.

Rosco[CoF] · Oct 2, 2004, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zardon

for those who missed it last week when I asked ati about a X700 on AGP they said this.

ATIs response:

"we currently have no plans for an AGP version of X700. Right now AGP users still have access to RADEON 9800 series of products, which would be very close to the X700 series performance wise, so product differentiation would be very difficult and having both products available at the same time might confuse some users.

If we see the demand for X700 in the AGP space we would use a bridge to have the PCI express chip running on an AGP board."

so you can see why im trying to get a consensus of our membership.

It was this comment by ATI that has convinced me to make the "I don't care" option.
I currently have a 9800Pro, an upgrade would be nice, but I prefer an upgrade with a significant improvement. If they are saying preformance-wise the x700 is similar to the 9800's I can see why they would not want to focus on an AGFP version.

tastyweat · Oct 2, 2004, 04:43 PM

wouldn't affect me... moving to x800 pci-e.... but it might be a good idea for people wanting a cheaper, but good performing r420 based card on an AGP system

Pluvious · Oct 2, 2004, 06:15 PM

I think there are too many cards and choices as it is. This will just confuse the noob's even more.

Oct 1, 2004, 09:23 PM	#1
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	I would like ATI to make an AGP based X700 series card Please vote !

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Shinjikun 第3 子供 Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Nerv HQ Posts: 1,319 Rep Power: 0	I would personally like to see the X700 in AGP flavor. There isn't a need right now (besides just plain being nice) to upgrade to PCI-Express and a lot of people like myself are happy with their current AGP platform. There should be a market for an AGP version of the X700; at least for the time being. I think ATi should really bring one to the market and expand their current selection of the Xx00 series of cards. I'm looking for a mid level upgrade from my 9500 Pro soon and a 9800 Pro would be nice; but if the X700 is available and is a newer generation card I will go for the X700 instead. My 2 cents; ATi should bring one out. __________________ Xfire: [Shinji1225 \ Status] A7N8X-E Deluxe Athlon XP 2500+ (@ 2.2 GHz 11x200 MHz FSB) Corsair TwinX XMS 1GB PC3200 Dual Channel (2-2-3-5) [color=red]ATi [/color][color=white]Radeon 9500 Pro (@ 330\310) \ [/color][color=white]Omega Catalyst Drivers v2.5.90[/color] [color=white]Ultra X-Connect 500W PSU[/color]

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Shinjikun 第3 子供 Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Nerv HQ Posts: 1,319 Rep Power: 0	I agree; if ATi releases the X700 for the mid level market I think a lot of people will purchase them -- including myself. Basically I don't see a reason why ATi shouldn't bring it to the market. __________________ Xfire: [Shinji1225 \ Status] A7N8X-E Deluxe Athlon XP 2500+ (@ 2.2 GHz 11x200 MHz FSB) Corsair TwinX XMS 1GB PC3200 Dual Channel (2-2-3-5) [color=red]ATi [/color][color=white]Radeon 9500 Pro (@ 330\310) \ [/color][color=white]Omega Catalyst Drivers v2.5.90[/color] [color=white]Ultra X-Connect 500W PSU[/color]

Oct 1, 2004, 09:37 PM	#6
Shadow Lady Avril Fan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: somewhere in colombia, okok, bogotá city :p Posts: 1,262 Rep Power: 0	absolutely, i think this is a great card no matter what people have said about it, is just a great card from a great company =D and coming on AGP version? of course it should, after all the card is supposed to be directed to the medium range of card buyers that as myself, woudlnt like to upgrade their pcs just to get a new card ^^ __________________ Oblivion ftw

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GutterPunk I = Greatest Dood Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Nebraska Posts: 5,949 Rep Power: 71	it should be out for agp... i misvoted cuz i thought of it in the wrong way... Yes till open up the mid market quite a bit... Well I guess I truely do not care... i know it'd be pretty nice, and i would prolly check one out __________________ Rock On \m/ Thank you Mousey for the Sig! --------------- Intel Core2Duo E6660 (3.4GHZ) ~ Tuniq Tower 120 ~ Enermax Galaxy 1000W ~ Corsair Dominator @ 1090MHZ 5-5-5-15 (OCZ XTC Modded Cooler)~ EVGA 8800GTX W/ HR-03 Plus 120MM ~ Asus DVD-RW LiteScribe ~ LG DVD-RW ~ Corsair Voyager 2GB ReadyBoost Drive ~ Vantec Nexus Fan Controller ~ ThermalTake Armor 25CM fan ~ Personal Finance Blog: Dent Your Debt

Oct 1, 2004, 09:29 PM	Thread Starter #3
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	There is a reason ive posted this so please vote and discuss guys, its important, thanks

Oct 1, 2004, 09:33 PM	#4
Dom DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 12,940 Rep Power: 0	I absolutely wanna see this. I will buy one if they make one, and believe strongly others would too. PCIe technology is far from being in every computer household, like AGP is (with exception of those with intergrated vdeo). I thought it was silly for ATi to suggest that users get an 9800 series card if they wanted an AGP X700. The X700 series has the newer technology and isn't comparable to the 9800s in my opinion. Give us the new technology, like you have always done, ATi! Please!

Oct 1, 2004, 09:48 PM	#8
*craig5320* HH Administrator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 8,572 Rep Power: 445 System Specs	I think this would be a great addition, Like Dom said PCie is far from mainstream, and this could just be the right budget~performance card that plugs the gap for people holding out for performance yet maintaining the budget, without wanting the leap to PCie. I help a lot of people who are not experienced with PCs usually with Onboard VGA and often find they're wanting to get into gaming but are failed with lower range cards not offering the performance they need and the top range simply being to far from there reach in terms of price. An AGP X700 would be the ideal compromise. My 2c. __________________ HardwareHeaven on Facebook

Oct 1, 2004, 10:03 PM	#9
dipstick HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: USA Posts: 3,609 Rep Power: 71 System Specs	Yes, I think it would be a much needed addition to their agp line. And like others have said agp is still very much alive, is still used by 98% of users out there and most have of them have been waiting for a nicely priced card like this to fill the spot.

Oct 1, 2004, 10:22 PM	#10
Dark Lord HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 5,945 Rep Power: 125 System Specs	i just voted i dont care. it would be a downgrade for me so it really doesnt intrest me at all. now if i was one of the people that was in hte market for a mid range x000 series, i would love to see an x700 in agp form.

Oct 2, 2004, 12:15 AM	#11
Shadow Lady Avril Fan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: somewhere in colombia, okok, bogotá city :p Posts: 1,262 Rep Power: 0	after all is a card as great as a 9800pro/xt but less pricy is all all good =D x700xt agp i want to grab one ^^ __________________ Oblivion ftw Last edited by Shadow Lady; Oct 2, 2004 at 12:20 AM.

Oct 2, 2004, 12:15 AM	#12
Asmoday Demonic Join Date: May 2002 Location: In the cold, dark north... Posts: 5,198 Rep Power: 92 System Specs	I think it is a great idea to release it in agp form, i'm sure there would be many people buying it. __________________ How You can help Hardwareheaven by using Digg

Oct 2, 2004, 12:59 AM	#13
cymanator DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 44 Rep Power: 0	When I heard the X700xt was going to be PCIe only I was very disappointed. I need to upgrade my 9500pro and want to go agp one last time before PCIe. Will I have to go with a 6600GT???

Oct 2, 2004, 01:00 AM	#14
Mocca Somewhere in time Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Denmark Posts: 133 Rep Power: 0	Mid market level graphics cards never interested me personally, but it would be stupid for ATi not to make an AGP model, simply because pci-e needs time to settle into people's homes as said by others in this thread. What is AGP today? 95% of the market? I think the change will come AGP to pci-e, but it will take some time. I think most people are like I am - sitting on a perfect board with nice ram and nice cpu and really see no reason to upgrade my mobo to a pci-e version, because it gives me no noticeable benefits ram- and/or cpu-wise. I am sure the marjourity of people will upgrade to a pci-e board as soon as next generation cpu's or ram demand it. __________________ AMD64 3800+ Dualcore Asus A8N-E Nforce4 Ultra Chipset 2048MB Kingston HyperX Dualchan pc3200 Ram Asus 7800GTX PCI-E 16x Graphicscard Last edited by Mocca; Oct 2, 2004 at 01:08 AM.

Oct 2, 2004, 01:56 AM	#15
Chaos Number Nine Join Date: May 2002 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 5,268 Rep Power: 167 System Specs	definatly they should !!!! __________________

Oct 2, 2004, 04:30 AM	#17
mainman Mr. Nobody Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: OmniPresent Nightwatcher Posts: 5,961 Rep Power: 71	Of course they should!! This should not even be asked!!! __________________

Oct 2, 2004, 10:34 AM	#18
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,669 Rep Power: 110 System Specs	HELL yes! If it's cheap and beats a 9800pro- It is a winner. __________________

Oct 2, 2004, 11:15 AM	#19
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Oct 2, 2004, 11:19 AM	#20
BurL Liver SUCKS!!!! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 228 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	I would pick one up for sure to upgrade my 9800pro. I dont plan on getting a new mobo for a while and pci-x is not an option for me but an agp version would make me a happy gamer. __________________ If I had a bean burrito I would smash it all over my chest.

Oct 2, 2004, 11:28 AM	#21
~~REGENERAT1ON~~ NGO Crew Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 409 Rep Power: 0	X700 Agp = R9800 Xt

Oct 2, 2004, 01:00 PM	Thread Starter #24
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	for those who missed it last week when I asked ati about a X700 on AGP they said this. ATIs response: "we currently have no plans for an AGP version of X700. Right now AGP users still have access to RADEON 9800 series of products, which would be very close to the X700 series performance wise, so product differentiation would be very difficult and having both products available at the same time might confuse some users. If we see the demand for X700 in the AGP space we would use a bridge to have the PCI express chip running on an AGP board." so you can see why im trying to get a consensus of our membership.

Oct 2, 2004, 02:53 PM	#25
EcPercy HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Iraq Posts: 1,535 Rep Power: 0	I think that it will be a bad idea to keep making AGP based cards. Here is your reason to move to newer technology and help phase out the old. If ATI keeps on making AGP then the old tech will never get phased out in a timely manner. I would rather see them push for PCI-E and force us to upgrade to get the latest and greatest.

Oct 2, 2004, 04:43 PM	#29
tastyweat Lurking Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: The void Posts: 4,794 Rep Power: 75 System Specs	wouldn't affect me... moving to x800 pci-e.... but it might be a good idea for people wanting a cheaper, but good performing r420 based card on an AGP system __________________

Oct 2, 2004, 06:15 PM	#30
Pluvious Elisha = hottie Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: USA CA. SF Bay Area Posts: 1,318 Rep Power: 0	I think there are too many cards and choices as it is. This will just confuse the noob's even more. __________________